To who? Is the song about Angie Bowie or is it about Keith's daughter, Angie?

What do you think?

I always thought it was about Angie Bowie. I don't think Keith's daughter changed her name to Angela until later on.

I don't think it's "about" anybody specifically.

The last Mick interview I read, he stated that it definitely was not about Angela Bowie. In fact he believed the song was written before he ever met her. As I recall, Keith wrote most of the lyric.

Karl

'Don’t forget, if you’re on your bike, wear white'

It may also be "just" a name!

Connie, Connie, when will those clouds all disappear?
Connie, Connie, where will it lead us from here?

I wonder, this came out the same time as: Dancin With Mr. D. (David Bowie)

the story about how Angie Bowie walked in on D. Bowie & Jagger in bed,
the stories about Bowie & Jagger's 1st wife, Bianca (how do you spell her name?)
seen making out all over the european beaches.....
those two families looked very "intwined" MLC

I think I will shoot the next person who says this song is about Angie Bowie...

MCDDTLC Wrote:
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> I wonder, this came out the same time as: Dancin
> With Mr. D. (David Bowie)
>
> the story about how Angie Bowie walked in on D.
> Bowie & Jagger in bed,
> the stories about Bowie & Jagger's 1st wife,
> Bianca (how do you spell her name?)
> seen making out all over the european
> beaches.....
> those two families looked very "intwined" MLC

The rock equivilants of Urban Legends!

Ross

I always believed D stood for devil or demon unless they met down in the graveyard but,I doubt it.

Mr D is the Devil. Hardly rocket science. Its basically a slightly lame attempt to write a new "Sympathy for the devil"

The Angie Bowie story about Mick & Bowie didnt come out until 1990.

Somehow if Mick Jagger was going to write a love song about some estranged relationship with the wife of one of his best friends, I think he'd have given it a less obvious title, dont you?

Mr D is death.

Keith's daughter was named Dandelion Angela right from the get-go. and the way he and Mick tell it, Keith came out of the bathroom one day and said to Mick: "this one goes like this: Angie, AAAaaaaaaangie"
whereon Mick said: "is that all?"
and Keith said: "yeah." :E

(did anyone else here go around earnestly pretending, when Angie came out, to believe the song was to an engine? if you pretended real good, those types who went all gooey over the song - you know, the ones who wouldn't touch the Stones with a ten-foot pole up til then - would get all *consternated.* it was a riot! "Engine, engine ... you can't say we ...")



"What do you want - what?!"
- Keith

I think Angie Bowie is the first one that said it is abaout her. And a lot of people believed it.
She must think a lot of herself.

I once bought her book and I had to stop reading after 20 pages. It gives the impression that she and she only was the one that 'made' David Bowie.

Can't stand that woman.

My guess it's Keiths daughter. It's his song, not Jaggers (as Jagger said himself).

Keith had some sounds for the chorus.
It seems to be a toungue-twister for Anita.
Jagger re-formed it.
It isnt neither a Richards nor a Jagger-song, as most often is the case:
its both´s.

The basic melody and the title were mine. I don't think you can write really interesting rock and roll songs if you can't get into ballads and slower stuff. Quite often when you write a ballad it ends up as something else. Once we've got a song we tussle around with it, roll in the dirt with it. I'd recently had my daughter born, who's name was Angela, and the name was starting to ring around the house. But I'm into writing about my babies. Angie just fitted. I mean, you couldn't sing 'Maureen'...

- Keith Richards, 1993



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2005-08-03 02:14 by BowieStone.

The same main source as I have.
Since I´m no collector I couldnt check it up at home.

As often is the case, its more Richards than Jagger musically.
Lyricwise the finished product often tend to be Jagger-ish, doesnt it?

It´s like the eternal JJF-debate; "Wyman did it".
We tend to stuck in discussions of the profet´s beard.

Glad you put it right on the Angela-track.
I was wrong on Anita; maybe he was weary from her already.

michrud Wrote:
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> It may also be "just" a name!
>
I'll go with you
Margot, Margot when will those clouds all
disappear?
Helga, Helga, where will it lead us from here?

with sssoul Wrote:
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> Mr D is death.

Glad you sorted this one out. cause thats right.

I dunno about Angie, but my Girlfriends name was...
at that time I could have sworn it was only because of her

A funny thing now, is that Angie Bowie used to say to David that Mick was too old to be a role model (which he in deed was along the Ziggy-era)...
Mick, 28-30 y o, and David, 25-26 y o...

I had read once it was originally "Anita, I ne-e-ed you" in reference to Anita Pallenberg. It didn't sound quite right and ended up as Angie...

"The basic melody and title were mine. I'd recently had my daughter born, whose name was Angela and the name was starting to ring around the house. But I'm not into writing about my babies. Angie just fitted. I mean you couldn't sing 'Maureen'..."

Keith Richards

ROCKMAN

Well, it's probably the case that Keith dropped the name "Angie" from his daughter.

But the question who is the person that Jagger has in his mind in all those verses singing about unfortunate love, I suppose it might quite easily be Marianne.

I think that could the story behind "Wild Horses" too: Keith made the melody (or the chord sequence) with his son in his mind, and Mick transformed the song to be about his "tragic" affair with Marianne.

Anyway, in both cases the trick worked; best ballads ever done.

But of course, before anyone starts to asking factual evidence, I need to say that this pure speculation, based on few hints from here and there.

- Doxa

@inopeneng: I read the same, but who really knows. Maybe Angie just fitted as name ...

Mick has actually once said, that Wild Horses IS about Faithful...but I donno 'bout Angie..

I really don't care to reflect too hard on the person that inspired the song, as much as the way it is delivered. Until the show in Oakland last tour when the lights dimmed, spotlight on my Mick center stage, and he belted that song out with so much emotion it still gives me chills and made me cry. That song has never been the same since. Leave it to Mick to make the old new again.

>> I had read once it was originally "Anita, I ne-e-ed you" <<
well ... one of Nick Kent's notions is that the "real meaning" is "Anita i need you". that's been quoted pretty widely, but Nick Kent's the source of a whole lot of fiction.


"What do you want - what?!"
- Keith

Yep! Inopeng's right. It's "Anita - I need ya". The song's about the two of them struggeling in a relationship that almost killed them both...So they had to part. But they're still very good friends, and Keith's always taken care of Anita. She often spends x-mas with the Richards' in Connecticut. Even gets on well with Patti.

Bill Wyman Rolling With The Stones:

The band's seventh US No.1 was their 25th US and 18th UK single. Its inspiration was Angie, then wife of David Bowie. Released Aug.28,1973 U.S.

I always thought Keith's daughter was named Dandelion and then they changed it to Angela later on and it wasn't her middle name?

Thats what i read about Dandelion
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