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Next official bootlegs? Your opinions ...
Posted by: MrEcho ()
Date: April 6, 2012 18:24

What could be the next three official bootlegs?


I think the following are strong contenders:

Leeds 1971

New York City 1972

Atlantic City 1989


Maybe:

UK 1965/66

1967 would be nice, but did they tape any of the shows professionally?

1969/70 (which of those shows were recorded professionally?)


What do you think?

Re: Next official bootlegs? Your opinions ...
Posted by: tkl7 ()
Date: April 6, 2012 18:34

I know the 1969 MSG, Boston and Baltimore concerts were recorded professionally. I could see a complete 1969 concert being released if ABKCO signs off on it, but it would probably use different shows so that the Ya'Ya's material would not be duplicated.

I would love for the next releases to include both 1970 and 1971 shows though, since that era is so poorly represented.

Re: Next official bootlegs? Your opinions ...
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: April 6, 2012 18:42

The fact that every time a new 'bootleg' is released the Stones upload interviews on the release with Mick and Keith filmed in August and September 2011 would suggest that the six releases were all selected a long time ago. It would appear that any notions of online 'campaigns' being of any use are a bit futile.

Re: Next official bootlegs? Your opinions ...
Posted by: Erik_Snow ()
Date: April 6, 2012 18:49

Yes, our "requests" for El Mocambo 77 was useless, as the recordings were allready picked out....not that they'd care much for IORR anyway; or....who knows

Based on their 3 releases untill now; I'd say that there's a BIG chance we'll be getting....

Welcome To New York 1972 (and if not NYC....then "Philadelphia Special" )
Leeds 1971

....after that; "Happy Birthday Nicky", "Liver Than Youll Ever Be", "Atlantic City 1989", "Out On Bail", "Live In Memphis 1978" would be good guesses; as they are among the most famous ever RS live bootlegs.

MSG 1972 would be awesome - if it's the real show in SBD quality. Memphis 1978 would also be great, since we only have 2 songs from Memphis, as is (the bootlegs are all misdated). Perth 1973 would be neat as well....since the bootleg is missing 6 tracks. The rest....disappointing.

Re: Next official bootlegs? Your opinions ...
Posted by: cbtaco19 ()
Date: April 6, 2012 18:51

The first three have all been professional versions of long-widely circulated and popular bootlegs. I would not expect any big surprises (such as a pristine 1970 show). Leeds, Atlantic City '89 etc are the probable candidates.

Re: Next official bootlegs? Your opinions ...
Posted by: muenke ()
Date: April 6, 2012 19:03

Right, the next three will be again common/known boots in hq, and this is more than OK! But why should they "close" stonesarchive.com after the next 3 releases? i know, the deal with googlemusic is about 6, but perhaps they are free to release more stuff on their own website, at least i hope so ...

Re: Next official bootlegs? Your opinions ...
Posted by: R ()
Date: April 6, 2012 19:04

El Macombo, both shows. AKA The Holy Grail.We KNOW they were professionally recorded.

Re: Next official bootlegs? Your opinions ...
Posted by: Honestman ()
Date: April 6, 2012 19:15

Essen 1970
Coventry 1971
El Mocambo 1977

HMN

Re: Next official bootlegs? Your opinions ...
Posted by: tkl7 ()
Date: April 6, 2012 19:26

Quote
Gazza
The fact that every time a new 'bootleg' is released the Stones upload interviews on the release with Mick and Keith filmed in August and September 2011 would suggest that the six releases were all selected a long time ago. It would appear that any notions of online 'campaigns' being of any use are a bit futile.

A man can dream...

Re: Next official bootlegs? Your opinions ...
Posted by: Munichhilton ()
Date: April 6, 2012 19:35

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cbtaco19
The first three have all been professional versions of long-widely circulated and popular bootlegs. I would not expect any big surprises (such as a pristine 1970 show). Leeds, Atlantic City '89 etc are the probable candidates.

But the LA75 show is new to all of us in mixing board quality.
Brussels was a show none of us had either...apart from a few hissy tracks.

Only Hampton was 'predictable'.

Let's give The Stones people some credit for that at least!

Re: Next official bootlegs? Your opinions ...
Posted by: Erik_Snow ()
Date: April 6, 2012 19:37

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Munichhilton
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cbtaco19
The first three have all been professional versions of long-widely circulated and popular bootlegs. I would not expect any big surprises (such as a pristine 1970 show). Leeds, Atlantic City '89 etc are the probable candidates.

But the LA75 show is new to all of us in mixing board quality.
Brussels was a show none of us had either...apart from a few hissy tracks.

Only Hampton was 'predictable'.

Let's give The Stones people some credit for that at least!

Yes the "sources" are obviously new; but "Brussels Affair", "LA Friday" and "Hampton 81" are all among the VERY most famous boot-titles; which is interesting, as it gives us a good idea of what the future releases;

So the point is that a 1970 show or something like that will not appear in the next 3 releases

Re: Next official bootlegs? Your opinions ...
Posted by: jamesfdouglas ()
Date: April 6, 2012 19:41

Quote
Gazza
The fact that every time a new 'bootleg' is released the Stones upload interviews on the release with Mick and Keith filmed in August and September 2011 would suggest that the six releases were all selected a long time ago. It would appear that any notions of online 'campaigns' being of any use are a bit futile.

He's right, but here's what I'm hoping for...
- El Mocambo
- the best they have of '72
- Knebworth '76

And here's what I'm actually expecting
- Atlantic City '89
- Miami '94 (hey why not, it's already been mixed for DVD once - less work for them, right?)
- Something that doesn't artisically matter at all from 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007 - whatever it's all the same at this point.

[thepowergoats.com]

Re: Next official bootlegs? Your opinions ...
Posted by: Erik_Snow ()
Date: April 6, 2012 19:45

Quote
jamesfdouglas
And here's what I'm actually expecting
- Atlantic City '89
- Miami '94 (hey why not, it's already been mixed for DVD once - less work for them, right?)
- Something that doesn't artisically matter at all from 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007 - whatever it's all the same at this point.

No shows/bootlegs after 1981 is actually "legendary" or real known to the common guy, except Atlantic City 89. So I no longer expect anything (apart from AC 89) of the shows you mention there or anything else from after 1978

Re: Next official bootlegs? Your opinions ...
Posted by: tkl7 ()
Date: April 6, 2012 19:48

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Erik_Snow
Quote
Munichhilton
Quote
cbtaco19
The first three have all been professional versions of long-widely circulated and popular bootlegs. I would not expect any big surprises (such as a pristine 1970 show). Leeds, Atlantic City '89 etc are the probable candidates.

But the LA75 show is new to all of us in mixing board quality.
Brussels was a show none of us had either...apart from a few hissy tracks.

Only Hampton was 'predictable'.

Let's give The Stones people some credit for that at least!

Yes the "sources" are obviously new; but "Brussels Affair", "LA Friday" and "Hampton 81" are all among the VERY most famous boot-titles; which is interesting, as it gives us a good idea of what the future releases;

So the point is that a 1970 show or something like that will not appear in the next 3 releases

Well, if they are really clever, they will hold something like El Macarena or a 1970 show for the last release in the series. So it's not really ouot of the question entirely.

Re: Next official bootlegs? Your opinions ...
Posted by: Erik_Snow ()
Date: April 6, 2012 20:00

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tkl7
Quote
Erik_Snow
Quote
Munichhilton
Quote
cbtaco19
The first three have all been professional versions of long-widely circulated and popular bootlegs. I would not expect any big surprises (such as a pristine 1970 show). Leeds, Atlantic City '89 etc are the probable candidates.

But the LA75 show is new to all of us in mixing board quality.
Brussels was a show none of us had either...apart from a few hissy tracks.

Only Hampton was 'predictable'.

Let's give The Stones people some credit for that at least!

Yes the "sources" are obviously new; but "Brussels Affair", "LA Friday" and "Hampton 81" are all among the VERY most famous boot-titles; which is interesting, as it gives us a good idea of what the future releases;

So the point is that a 1970 show or something like that will not appear in the next 3 releases

Well, if they are really clever, they will hold something like El Macarena or a 1970 show for the last release in the series. So it's not really ouot of the question entirely.

of course nothing is impossible. it would be a "nice gift" to us "hardcore fans" indeed

Re: Next official bootlegs? Your opinions ...
Posted by: jamesfdouglas ()
Date: April 6, 2012 20:01

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Erik_Snow
Quote
jamesfdouglas
And here's what I'm actually expecting
- Atlantic City '89
- Miami '94 (hey why not, it's already been mixed for DVD once - less work for them, right?)
- Something that doesn't artisically matter at all from 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007 - whatever it's all the same at this point.

No shows/bootlegs after 1981 is actually "legendary" or real known to the common guy, except Atlantic City 89. So I no longer expect anything (apart from AC 89) of the shows you mention there or anything else from after 1978

Are you actually implying the The Stones have a sense being able to realate to what their fans think is legendary??

[thepowergoats.com]

Re: Next official bootlegs? Your opinions ...
Posted by: Munichhilton ()
Date: April 6, 2012 20:02

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tkl7
Well, if they are really clever, they will hold something like El Macarena or a 1970 show for the last release in the series. So it's not really ouot of the question entirely.

Dammit tkl7

You know how much I hate that

Re: Next official bootlegs? Your opinions ...
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: April 6, 2012 20:05

The releases so far would suggest that theyve done their homework pretty well for a change.

Re: Next official bootlegs? Your opinions ...
Posted by: Ross ()
Date: April 6, 2012 20:12

So, following the trend of tying in with the most popular bootlegs, I would guess that the next 3 releases would parellel the remaining 3 most popular boots from tours that have not already been represented. So what are the remaining boots that fit that criteria?

Welcome To New York '72 - It would be great to have the whole show with the Clearmountain treatment. If not this from "72, then maybe one of the Philadelphia Specials or Happy Birthday Nicky? '72 is a must! (I know, HB Nicky is '73 but a carryover from '72)

Get Your Leeds Lungs Out '71 - I think this, with the missing opening tracks restored and a stereo Clearmountain mix, would be revelatory!

Liver Than You'll Ever Be '69 - The one that started it all. Maybe not likely given it's similarity to GYYYO, but certainly fits the criteria of popular bootleg from a tour not yet represented.

If not one of these, then what? AC '89? I hope not, but if it must be, Im sure a little "Clearmountaining" will make it better. Of course the remaining "holy grail" would be El Menudo, which wasn't a very popular bootleg but only because the quality was so bad.

What are the other possibilities based on this criteria?

Re: Next official bootlegs? Your opinions ...
Posted by: marko ()
Date: April 6, 2012 20:14

Something from 1982 tour would be nice,to really hear the difference between 81-82.

Re: Next official bootlegs? Your opinions ...
Posted by: jamesfdouglas ()
Date: April 6, 2012 20:18

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marko
Something from 1982 tour would be nice,to really hear the difference between 81-82.

Love this one!
[rocknrollingstones.blogspot.ca]

[thepowergoats.com]

Re: Next official bootlegs? Your opinions ...
Posted by: RobertJohnson ()
Date: April 6, 2012 20:22

It seems to me that they have recorded all shows professionally since '69 (the most at any case). So it would be a nice idea I think to offer a monthly flat rate to all fans to download one after another when this shows were professionally mixed. In a few years we've got all shows in perfect sound quality.

Re: Next official bootlegs? Your opinions ...
Posted by: tkl7 ()
Date: April 6, 2012 20:28

Quote
RobertJohnson
It seems to me that they have recorded all shows professionally since '69 (the most at any case). So it would be a nice idea I think to offer a monthly flat rate to all fans to download one after another when this shows were professionally mixed. In a few years we've got all shows in perfect sound quality.

Yes, I would even pay for some monthly subscription, but I assume that it would be very time consuming for Bob C.

Re: Next official bootlegs? Your opinions ...
Posted by: Erik_Snow ()
Date: April 6, 2012 21:41

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jamesfdouglas
Quote
Erik_Snow
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jamesfdouglas
And here's what I'm actually expecting
- Atlantic City '89
- Miami '94 (hey why not, it's already been mixed for DVD once - less work for them, right?)
- Something that doesn't artisically matter at all from 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007 - whatever it's all the same at this point.

No shows/bootlegs after 1981 is actually "legendary" or real known to the common guy, except Atlantic City 89. So I no longer expect anything (apart from AC 89) of the shows you mention there or anything else from after 1978

Are you actually implying the The Stones have a sense being able to realate to what their fans think is legendary??

Obviously. Take a look at their 3 releases so far

Re: Next official bootlegs? Your opinions ...
Posted by: mickijaggeroo ()
Date: April 6, 2012 21:57

El Mozambique-ooh! smiling smiley

Vilhelm
Nordic Stones Vikings

Re: Next official bootlegs? Your opinions ...
Posted by: tipps ()
Date: April 6, 2012 22:29

No Elmocombo I dont think so, seems they are going with arena/stadium shows, also doing boots that are almost perfect so no much mastering to do.

Re: Next official bootlegs? Your opinions ...
Posted by: muenke ()
Date: April 6, 2012 22:36

Quote
tipps
No Elmocombo I dont think so, seems they are going with arena/stadium shows, also doing boots that are almost perfect so no much mastering to do.

audience isn´t really "almost perfect" ....

Re: Next official bootlegs? Your opinions ...
Posted by: tkl7 ()
Date: April 6, 2012 22:51

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muenke
Quote
tipps
No Elmocombo I dont think so, seems they are going with arena/stadium shows, also doing boots that are almost perfect so no much mastering to do.

audience isn´t really "almost perfect" ....

And most of the official Brussels was never heard before.

Re: Next official bootlegs? Your opinions ...
Posted by: jamesfdouglas ()
Date: April 6, 2012 23:03

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Erik_Snow
Quote
jamesfdouglas
Quote
Erik_Snow
Quote
jamesfdouglas
And here's what I'm actually expecting
- Atlantic City '89
- Miami '94 (hey why not, it's already been mixed for DVD once - less work for them, right?)
- Something that doesn't artisically matter at all from 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007 - whatever it's all the same at this point.

No shows/bootlegs after 1981 is actually "legendary" or real known to the common guy, except Atlantic City 89. So I no longer expect anything (apart from AC 89) of the shows you mention there or anything else from after 1978

Are you actually implying the The Stones have a sense being able to realate to what their fans think is legendary??

Obviously. Take a look at their 3 releases so far

I hope you're right. Either way, yeah I agree that it seems they're all already chosen. The only Vegas-era show I would want isn't Atalantic City. It's "Seventh of July". The BEST Vegas boot I've ever heard.

[thepowergoats.com]

Re: Next official bootlegs? Your opinions ...
Posted by: dcba ()
Date: April 6, 2012 23:38

Nobody mentioned 1978 yet?
Quite logically it could be 78 : nothing from this tour has ever been officially released and it seems the purpose of the SA is to fill the gaps in the live discography... that's why got a show from 75 and one from 73 : "filling the gaps" indeed.

IF vol.IV is from 78 vol.V might be from 1982 right? thumbs up

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