A+1... nice read, especially the first part.

They should have just included the Texas DVD as part of the deluxe SG package.

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"The Stones’ Some Girls Super Deluxe Box Set is a Disappointment"

C'mon you know these high-end versions are always a rip-off. They target the uber-fan who want these things. Uber-fans who'll never question the buck-for-value appeal of these monstrosities... I mean "collector's items".

I'm not so sure.

The Springsteen boxed set that came out last year, 'The Promise' (also focussing on a classic album from 1978) contained the following :

Original album remastered
Two more discs of outtakes (22 songs)

Plus :
Three DVD/blu ray discs containing
- a full three hour pro-shot concert which had never circulated in any form
- a 90 minute documentary on the making of the album
- a 2009 performance of the entire 'Darkness' album
- twelve 'vault' performances, consisting of 1976 rehearsals and 1978 concert footage.

About 6 and a half hours worth of video footage, and almost three hours of audio. Plus a reasonably sized book

...retailing at much the same price as the 'Some Girls' deluxe. Pricey enough - yes, but there was enough there to keep you busy for a few evenings instead of something you can listen to and watch in a couple of hours.

They really should have included the Fort Worth show as part of the CD/DVD package instead of forcing you to buy it separately. Likewise with the Exile/Stones in Exile/L&G releases.

Obviously, its down to the consumer. No one's forcing us to buy it and maybe its the revenue that comes from these overpriced super deluxe versions that makes the project financially worthwhile.

I was quite happy with the 2-CD package. And the Fort Worth bluray is really nice too.

Paying all that extra for a facsimile of a rare 7' single, a book and a few cards just didnt appeal to me at all.



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"The Stones’ Some Girls Super Deluxe Box Set is a Disappointment"

C'mon you know these high-end versions are always a rip-off. They target the uber-fan who want these things. Uber-fans who'll never question the buck-for-value appeal of these monstrosities... I mean "collector's items".

I'm not so sure.

The Springsteen boxed set that came out last year, 'The Promise' (also focussing on a classic album from 1978) contained the following :

Original album remastered
Two more discs of outtakes (22 songs)

Plus :
Three DVD/blu ray discs containing
- a full three hour pro-shot concert which had never circulated in any form
- a 90 minute documentary on the making of the album
- a 2009 performance of the entire 'Darkness' album
- twelve 'vault' performances, consisting of 1976 rehearsals and 1978 concert footage.

About 6 and a half hours worth of video footage, and almost three hours of audio. Plus a reasonably sized book

...retailing at much the same price as the 'Some Girls' deluxe. Pricey enough - yes, but there was enough there to keep you busy for a few evenings instead of something you can listen to and watch in a couple of hours.

They really should have included the Fort Worth show as part of the CD/DVD package instead of forcing you to buy it separately. Likewise with the Exile/Stones in Exile/L&G releases.

Obviously, its down to the consumer. No one's forcing us to buy it and maybe its the revenue that comes from these overpriced super deluxe versions that makes the project financially worthwhile.

I was quite happy with the 2-CD package. And the Fort Worth bluray is really nice too.

Paying all that extra for a facsimile of a rare 7' single, a book and a few cards just didnt appeal to me at all.

Totally agree with you Gazza!

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"The Stones’ Some Girls Super Deluxe Box Set is a Disappointment"

C'mon you know these high-end versions are always a rip-off. They target the uber-fan who want these things. Uber-fans who'll never question the buck-for-value appeal of these monstrosities... I mean "collector's items".

I'm not so sure.

The Springsteen boxed set that came out last year, 'The Promise' (also focussing on a classic album from 1978) contained the following :

Original album remastered
Two more discs of outtakes (22 songs)

Plus :
Three DVD/blu ray discs containing
- a full three hour pro-shot concert which had never circulated in any form
- a 90 minute documentary on the making of the album
- a 2009 performance of the entire 'Darkness' album
- twelve 'vault' performances, consisting of 1976 rehearsals and 1978 concert footage.

About 6 and a half hours worth of video footage, and almost three hours of audio. Plus a reasonably sized book

...retailing at much the same price as the 'Some Girls' deluxe. Pricey enough - yes, but there was enough there to keep you busy for a few evenings instead of something you can listen to and watch in a couple of hours.

They really should have included the Fort Worth show as part of the CD/DVD package instead of forcing you to buy it separately. Likewise with the Exile/Stones in Exile/L&G releases.

Obviously, its down to the consumer. No one's forcing us to buy it and maybe its the revenue that comes from these overpriced super deluxe versions that makes the project financially worthwhile.

I was quite happy with the 2-CD package. And the Fort Worth bluray is really nice too.

Paying all that extra for a facsimile of a rare 7' single, a book and a few cards just didnt appeal to me at all.

And you can now get the Blu-Ray 6 disc deluxe version of The Promise for £39 on amazon, which I did last month. Great stuff too.

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"The Stones’ Some Girls Super Deluxe Box Set is a Disappointment"

C'mon you know these high-end versions are always a rip-off. They target the uber-fan who want these things. Uber-fans who'll never question the buck-for-value appeal of these monstrosities... I mean "collector's items".

Actually, a real "uber-fan has all this stuff AND that which they forgot. This set is designed for those with more money than sense who want to show off to equally vapid friends who wouldn't know the difference.

I paid 72.99 Euro for the super deluxe set and opened it about 30 minutes ago. Even my son who's not a Stones fan likes it for being beautiful. It looks great and with all the stuff inside I think the money is well invested. I couldn't care less for the Beast Of Burden repro as it is what it is - a repro - but it's nice in a way that it's included.

2 CDs + 1 DVD + 1 very nice book + a few prints + 1 single = 73 Euro

the deluxe set I bought last Thursday was 20 Euro and helds 2 CDs

There's no need to be a "show off" to decide that the super deluxe is the better investment IMO.

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There's no need to be a "show off" to decide that the super deluxe is the better investment IMO.

That's very true; it's completely subjective how much one enjoy items like these.
A remark like others being a show-off because they like these items is pointless.

I collect other things connected to Rolling Stones....unofficial outputs and older vinyl pressings. For instance; I gladly purchased the David Bowie deluxe box of Station To Station a couple of years ago; since it featured 3 vinyls, 6 CDs - in absolutely perfect quality....it was completely worth the price.
The "booklet" and "pictures" that came with; isn't of much interest to me....they're there as bonus stuff, that's all.

But "musicwise" - the collectors box is not worth more than the 2CD version; as it's absolutely identical. I'd probably pick up the deluxe box if it features a lot more music and footage; as that's my main interest.



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Well said and extremely well written. I agree on everything but the positive review of U2s new box. It's good but also could be improved by adding an unreleased concert, and there are lots more out-takes available. However I do like their bonus tracks, minus the dance music. Back to The Stones, after seeing that preview video of the boxset I knew it was going to be another paperweight in my collection so I'm not buying it. This will be the second time I've passed on a Stones release, the other was the Singles Box. I might add that I'm also disappointed with the Exile and Ya-Ya's boxes. A few good things in there but basically a waste. Ironically it seems the best value is buying the 2CD sets. Also, I'm waiting to see if they were smart enought to put 24 bit audio on the USB in the most expensive Some Girls Box. But hey, we did get Brussels and the 12 bonus tunes are pretty great to me. Not all bad.

And the Bluray Texas Concert with CD is outstanding too!

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11.95£ for the some girls deluxe 2cd is really a good price. I bought it. About the super deluxe version, bullshit, a dvd, seems to be a short dvd. Beast of burden is just a replica. Some pictures. And the price, 89£ on Amazon.co.uk. This is 8 times the prices of the 2cd. Easy to choose. I will burn a dvd when I'll find it on demonoid. And don't howl, a lot of guys on this board will do the same. That's all.

Price could actually have been 62 GBP's on Amazon UK...still pricey, but considerably less.

Also, I picked up the Deluxe for 9.99 GBPs...not sure who you've been pissing off at Amazon!

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There's no need to be a "show off" to decide that the super deluxe is the better investment IMO.

That's very true; it's completely subjective how much one enjoy items like these.
A remark like others being a show-off because they like these items is pointless.

Exactly...they're letting off a little steam at someone else's expense.

TotR - good post there.

There will always be an argument to be had about tracks that could have been added instead of x, y and z.

As for the Stones super deluxe sets - I don't own any but the contents appear to be a bit of tat. I won't lose any sleep on not being able to afford them!

Yep, the Stones have missed a trick in not bundling a whole bunch of outtakes together but their release strategy is to drip feed the product out to keep you hungry for more. Seems to work as well. We'll all moan but we'll all be queuing up to talk and buy whatevers coming down the road next time. We're like a bunch of battered wives who get beaten up but keep going back for more because we love them, apparently ;-)



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Turd hit it on the head! Not sure I like the sound of that? Yet it's true.

The boys always seem to be behind the curve on these things despite Jagger's celebrated business acumen and LSE course work.

It's as if they jump on board after the train has departed and always try to dumb-down the product for cost effectiveness by releasing something which only looks like the real thing but is not.

At least we got something. "Something to enjoy with a bottle of Rolling Stones wine this Holiday Season now available at RollingStones.com." "Hurry supplies are limited and free 'laminate' included with a one case purchase of 2011 Cabernet."

This reissue thing sucks. Just give us the unreleased stuff ala carte. The marketing of this stuff stinks.

I suspect that Jagger or any of the others has not been involved in putting the deluxe box together. It's just UMG that did that.
For UMG you are just a cow they need to milk and if not, then you're a criminal.
BTW, I fell for it too.

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The SuperDeluxe box comes with the incredibly rare Beast of Burden 45 Picture Sleeve, the original being worth a couple of thousand dollars.

THAT, is what people are buying.

well..the ORIGINAL was rare but the one in the Super Deluxe box...is equivalent to a Xerox/Facsimile....so I hope
people aren't purchasing it for THAT.

But I agree that (re: re-issues, concert dvds & upcoming downloads) there is something to be thankful for...
because they could have continued to sit on that stuff and never release it.


IORR............but I like it!

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A+1... nice read, especially the first part.

They should have just included the Texas DVD as part of the deluxe SG package.

...plus the Texas CD.
I think in this case I would have bought the SG super deluxe box set.

Exile box set at least contained the double vinyl in addition and the book I´m more interested in
than in a one with some Helmut Newton shots,plus the DVD has some snippets of CS Blues (of whatever value...)
As Exile is my favourite album I got the L&G box set as well...both could have been packed in one,
so it would have been somehow combarable to Darkness box,Gazza mentioned.

U2´s Achtung Baby contains 4 DVD´s,two of them have been available for years.

I guess sales for the Some Girls Deluxe box set will be poor...just speculating.

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What about the extended version of When the Whip Comes Down? There is a pulverizing 6:14 extended version and the apocalyptic (original?) 10 minute version which is arguably the greatest pure garage-rock track of the 1970’s. You know...the one with the 2 extra verses:

Mr. Rockafeller he won’t give me no load
...and Mr. Brown He don’t want me back home,
Well I love my momma and she loves her son
But it’s so goddamn hard to go back where I started from...

(repeating and altering an earlier stanza)
Mamma and Papa told me I was just crazy to stay
I was just lost in New York I was just lost in L.A.
But I got some money now so I took the plane
Wherever I go they all treat me the same...

A fellow Stones fan put the 6:14 version on a cassette for me in an internet trade, and I love it, but cassette players are going the way of the dodo bird, and I REALLY want a CD version of this song. But I don't know what bootleg he taped it from. Does anyone know what bootleg this is from so that I might track down a CD version? Thanks! (Dont't know that I've heard the 10 minute version, either. Where can I get that one, too?!)

Well pirates they are , aren't day?

Great post Turd!

I agree. I think its more than just 'we should be happy with what we've got'.
You seem to be frustrated that the Stones, Jagger in particular, don't seem to do justice to the work, the art, the creative process of the Stones' musical genius.
That creative process is what I have found most fascinating about outtakes.
The distance between the various versions of Miss You and the released song is part of the artistic journey. The leftovers of those sessions - in however state they're in - are part of that album's time, place. Like the Rockefeller line, or the oil references in No Spare Parts....
Bono gets this, Dylan-philes get it....
Having Jagger rework vocals, and in some cases, making entirely new songs from these outtakes is not the same thing. It's Tattoo You.
Some Girls is as epic in the Stones history as Exile in terms of cultural relevance, a point you made perfectly. It was of its time, place.
You mentioned other outtakes they should have included....
those boots are like a document of a band in dire straits, trying to reclaim their artistic viability and resonance. Jagger adding new lyrics takes you out of that time and the urgency of that time is lost. I had the same issue with the Exile "outtakes", but at least Plundered My Soul came out of that. That was an anomaly.
I'll enjoy the Some Girls reissue for what it is, but envy U2, DYlan and Springsteen fans that they get all the good stuff, warts and all.



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The SuperDeluxe box comes with the incredibly rare Beast of Burden 45 Picture Sleeve, the original being worth a couple of thousand dollars.

THAT, is what people are buying.

well..the ORIGINAL was rare but the one in the Super Deluxe box...is equivalent to a Xerox/Facsimile....so I hope
people aren't purchasing it for THAT.

But I agree that (re: re-issues, concert dvds & upcoming downloads) there is something to be thankful for...
because they could have continued to sit on that stuff and never release it.

Well obviously the original is rare...that IS why they've included the facsimile.

I've seen even acknowledged facisimile copies of this PS sell for over $200 on EBAY...that and SFM.

So you bet people are purchasing for that...they sure as hell aren't buying it for the CD's, they can get that for 9.99 GBP's on Amazon UK.

Your screenname doesn't suit you, stupidguy - excellent points there.....agree to it all

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The SuperDeluxe box comes with the incredibly rare Beast of Burden 45 Picture Sleeve, the original being worth a couple of thousand dollars.

THAT, is what people are buying.

well..the ORIGINAL was rare but the one in the Super Deluxe box...is equivalent to a Xerox/Facsimile....so I hope
people aren't purchasing it for THAT.

But I agree that (re: re-issues, concert dvds & upcoming downloads) there is something to be thankful for...
because they could have continued to sit on that stuff and never release it.

Well obviously the original is rare...that IS why they've included the facsimile.

I've seen even acknowledged facisimile copies of this PS sell for over $200 on EBAY...that and SFM.

So you bet people are purchasing for that...they sure as hell aren't buying it for the CD's, they can get that for 9.99 GBP's on Amazon UK.

If that is true..i stand corrected. i wasn't attacking you..your response seemed a little defensive.
Still not sure why anyone would pay big bucks for a replica. To me that's like paying big bucks for a CD-R.


IORR............but I like it!

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This reissue thing sucks. Just give us the unreleased stuff ala carte. The marketing of this stuff stinks.

I think i agree (in this case).

I just returned from BEST BUY. I went there expecting to buy the DVD & the Deluxe (2 CD) Some Girls.

Arrived home with only the $11.99 DVD.

I'm happy with my Virgin SOME GIRLS....and will find another way to get the bonus disk.
I couldn't justify $22 for the bonus disk...even though I like the "new" songs.
Guess I'll just look for it on eBay.

I bought the double disk reissue for EXILE because I did not already own the Virgin remaster...
...since it was equivalent to 3 records.


IORR............but I like it!



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The SuperDeluxe box comes with the incredibly rare Beast of Burden 45 Picture Sleeve, the original being worth a couple of thousand dollars.

THAT, is what people are buying.

well..the ORIGINAL was rare but the one in the Super Deluxe box...is equivalent to a Xerox/Facsimile....so I hope
people aren't purchasing it for THAT.

But I agree that (re: re-issues, concert dvds & upcoming downloads) there is something to be thankful for...
because they could have continued to sit on that stuff and never release it.

Well obviously the original is rare...that IS why they've included the facsimile.

I've seen even acknowledged facisimile copies of this PS sell for over $200 on EBAY...that and SFM.

So you bet people are purchasing for that...they sure as hell aren't buying it for the CD's, they can get that for 9.99 GBP's on Amazon UK.

If that is true..i stand corrected. i wasn't attacking you..your response seemed a little defensive.
Still not sure why anyone would pay big bucks for a replica. To me that's like paying big bucks for a CD-R.

I didn't feel attacked, I assure you! So if I sounded defensive, didn't mean to. Just wasn't sure that my point came across, which is, the only reason to buy this is for the photocopied 45 sleeve, as ridiculous as that sounds as everything else is pretty much superfluous...in other words, no one is buying this for the book or stickers (I think?!)

It's great they're putting more things out, but your post is spot on.

These guys are not supposed to be amateurs, they're supposed to be trendsetters.

The opportunity to hire some people from this board who really know the material and what the fans like would seem so obvious to me if I were them. The model of how to do this by other bands has obviously been overlooked, and hopefully somehow Mick sees this post. You should copy and post it to multiple sites, blogs, places for reviews etc. MJ admits he spends too much time on the dummy box, he needs to read this. Well said!

Turd unless a Locke of each of the Stones hairs, a pint of blood and some finger nail clippings came in the box sounds like you wouldn't be happy....It's Only Rock and Roll....appreciate what you have not what's missing. I'm sure they put together what they the artists thought were the best songs!

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Don't we have actual bootlegs of this stuff though? We can seriously expect them to release 50 songs that are rerecorded, remastered, remixed, blah...blah...blah.

For those lamenting about not having all those cuts as official releases, we have them as bootlegs already.

We have no idea what's in the vaults. I doubt there's many "finished tracks" there; but Richards once said "you've only seen the tip of the iceberg"....not that it seems all that believable
ANyway...quite a lot of forgettable "retakes" and such; me thinks

Yet - when it comes to live material....there's gotta be an incredible amount of vaulted stuff

Undoubtedly there is more the 'could have' released, but I don't need an official release of the 8 versions of Before They Make Me Run. MJ seems to want finished product primarily for the releases and I think that is a good thing.

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Turd unless a Locke of each of the Stones hairs, a pint of blood and some finger nail clippings came in the box sounds like you wouldn't be happy....It's Only Rock and Roll....appreciate what you have not what's missing. I'm sure they put together what they the artists thought were the best songs!

Talk about low expectations. I would have loved to hear at least one of those "jazz" versions of Miss You. Keith and Charlie would have been for that, but Jagger "didn't like the way his voice sounded" or whatever.

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Turd unless a Locke of each of the Stones hairs, a pint of blood and some finger nail clippings came in the box sounds like you wouldn't be happy....It's Only Rock and Roll....appreciate what you have not what's missing. I'm sure they put together what they the artists thought were the best songs!

Talk about low expectations. I would have loved to hear at least one of those "jazz" versions of Miss You. Keith and Charlie would have been for that, but Jagger "didn't like the way his voice sounded" or whatever.

That actually would have been interesting...I will give you that!