Thanks for posting Bingo. Cool vids!

I was there. Great to see Jimmy in action again. He needs to get out more. As for Donovan, well the first half was cringe-inducing as he appeared to be tone deaf. He really struggled singing in tune, particularly on the sublime Wear Your Love Like Heaven.

However, for the second half of the concert, which was the Sunshine Superman album played in its entirety, old Don pulled it out of the bag and really shone. It was a great show and it brought home just how overlooked this album is in terms of heralding in both world music and psychedelia. It came out in 66 though recordings starting in late 65.



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love the orchestra gawking at Jimmy during Superman! must have been terribly frustrating for Donovan to see his pioneering work delayed for what must have felt like an eternity for a young man - and what turned out to be a crucial year or so in rock music. Followers appeared as trail blazers due to those legal hassles.

Both Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones did some session work with Donovan pre-Zep. Hurdy Gudry Man, recorded in April 1968, actually had Page, Jones and Bonham on it a few months before the first Zep sessions.

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love the orchestra gawking at Jimmy during Superman! must have been terribly frustrating for Donovan to see his pioneering work delayed for what must have felt like an eternity for a young man - and what turned out to be a crucial year or so in rock music. Followers appeared as trail blazers due to those legal hassles.

Totally agree. Donovan does have a claim for ushering in psychedelia in the UK. Sunshine Superman pre-dated The Beatles as well as every other UK act's foray into psychedelic music. Not so sure about America as there were growing underground psychedelic scenes in Texas and California. But as far as established acts are as concerned I think he was a trailblazer.

He also embraced eastern music before The Beatles and other supposed stalwarts such as The Incredible String Band who have since been lauded with helping establish World Music.

Unfortunately, for anyone who has seen his DVD, Sunshine Superman, he is unbearably smug about his pioneering musical journeys such as teaching Beatles John, Paul and George finger-picking and being at the forefront of heavy metal by working with Jimmy Page and Jeff Beck. It's a shame he never worked with Humble Pie because he sure needs a slice of it. Still love a lot of his music though.



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smug's the word, "also invented the wheel" as a memorable MOJO-caption read. Still, I'm a fan, and here's a traditional song from 1971 with some crazy vocals:

video: [youtu.be]



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Both Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones did some session work with Donovan pre-Zep. Hurdy Gudry Man, recorded in April 1968, actually had Page, Jones and Bonham on it a few months before the first Zep sessions.

Whilst Sunshine Superman does feature Page on guitar, there is some debate over whether-or-not he appears on Hurdy Gurdy Man. Sources in the past - complilations and such - often state that it's Page, but others say it isn't. I suspect the latter, personally. John Paul Jones arranged and performed on many of Donovan's 60's studio recordings: Mellow Yellow and Hurdy Gurdy Man being two known examples.

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I was there. Great to see Jimmy in action again. He needs to get out more. As for Donovan, well the first half was cringe-inducing as he appeared to be tone deaf. He really struggled singing in tune, particularly on the sublime Wear Your Love Like Heaven.

However, for the second half of the concert, which was the Sunshine Superman album played in its entirety, old Don pulled it out of the bag and really shone. It was a great show and it brought home just how overlooked this album is in terms of heralding in both world music and psychedelia. It came out in 66 though recordings starting in late 65.

And it was produced by Mickie Most, who ironically has one of the least 'experimental' reputations of any producer. Jimmy Page, for one, rarely misses an opportunity to criticise him for his work with The Yardbirds. But of course Most produced Truth, which is a story in itself...

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I was there. Great to see Jimmy in action again. He needs to get out more. As for Donovan, well the first half was cringe-inducing as he appeared to be tone deaf. He really struggled singing in tune, particularly on the sublime Wear Your Love Like Heaven.

However, for the second half of the concert, which was the Sunshine Superman album played in its entirety, old Don pulled it out of the bag and really shone. It was a great show and it brought home just how overlooked this album is in terms of heralding in both world music and psychedelia. It came out in 66 though recordings starting in late 65.

And it was produced by Mickie Most, who ironically has one of the least 'experimental' reputations of any producer. Jimmy Page, for one, rarely misses an opportunity to criticise him for his work with The Yardbirds. But of course Most produced Truth, which is a story in itself...

Yes, it's a strange one that as to me Truth was the album that really kicked off heavy metal and inspired Led Zeppelin's 1st album. If Beck's Bolero ain't experimental and ground-breaking then I don't know what is!

And while The Yardbirds' album swansong Little Games was pop psychedelia instead of the full blown Hendrix deal it did have some great moments such as Page's White Summer, Glimpses, Tinker Tailor, Soldier, Sailor.

Most was a former pop crooner and his deal with EMI was to achieve pop hits which he did very well. But psychedelia and heavy rock effectively killed him off and he went on to have a few more hits with Peter Noone.

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I was there. Great to see Jimmy in action again. He needs to get out more. As for Donovan, well the first half was cringe-inducing as he appeared to be tone deaf. He really struggled singing in tune, particularly on the sublime Wear Your Love Like Heaven.

However, for the second half of the concert, which was the Sunshine Superman album played in its entirety, old Don pulled it out of the bag and really shone. It was a great show and it brought home just how overlooked this album is in terms of heralding in both world music and psychedelia. It came out in 66 though recordings starting in late 65.

And it was produced by Mickie Most, who ironically has one of the least 'experimental' reputations of any producer. Jimmy Page, for one, rarely misses an opportunity to criticise him for his work with The Yardbirds. But of course Most produced Truth, which is a story in itself...

Yes, it's a strange one that as to me Truth was the album that really kicked off heavy metal and inspired Led Zeppelin's 1st album. If Beck's Bolero ain't experimental and ground-breaking then I don't know what is!

And while The Yardbirds' album swansong Little Games was pop psychedelia instead of the full blown Hendrix deal it did have some great moments such as Page's White Summer, Glimpses, Tinker Tailor, Soldier, Sailor.

Most was a former pop crooner and his deal with EMI was to achieve pop hits which he did very well. But psychedelia and heavy rock effectively killed him off and he went on to have a few more hits with Peter Noone.

Actually, Most had fantastic success in the '70s: Kenny, Racey, Suzi Quatro, Smokie. But I'll understand if not too many people on IORR have those 45s in their collection. I was young, what can I say?

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I was there. Great to see Jimmy in action again. He needs to get out more. As for Donovan, well the first half was cringe-inducing as he appeared to be tone deaf. He really struggled singing in tune, particularly on the sublime Wear Your Love Like Heaven.

However, for the second half of the concert, which was the Sunshine Superman album played in its entirety, old Don pulled it out of the bag and really shone. It was a great show and it brought home just how overlooked this album is in terms of heralding in both world music and psychedelia. It came out in 66 though recordings starting in late 65.

And it was produced by Mickie Most, who ironically has one of the least 'experimental' reputations of any producer. Jimmy Page, for one, rarely misses an opportunity to criticise him for his work with The Yardbirds. But of course Most produced Truth, which is a story in itself...

Yes, it's a strange one that as to me Truth was the album that really kicked off heavy metal and inspired Led Zeppelin's 1st album. If Beck's Bolero ain't experimental and ground-breaking then I don't know what is!

And while The Yardbirds' album swansong Little Games was pop psychedelia instead of the full blown Hendrix deal it did have some great moments such as Page's White Summer, Glimpses, Tinker Tailor, Soldier, Sailor.

Most was a former pop crooner and his deal with EMI was to achieve pop hits which he did very well. But psychedelia and heavy rock effectively killed him off and he went on to have a few more hits with Peter Noone.

Actually, Most had fantastic success in the '70s: Kenny, Racey, Suzi Quatro, Smokie. But I'll understand if not too many people on IORR have those 45s in their collection. I was young, what can I say?

Yes, he certainly RAK'd up the hits!

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Both Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones did some session work with Donovan pre-Zep. Hurdy Gudry Man, recorded in April 1968, actually had Page, Jones and Bonham on it a few months before the first Zep sessions.

Page and Bonham do not play on Hurdy Gurdy Man. Page has told us he didn't play on it and Page and Bonham hadn't even met by that time.

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Totally agree. Donovan does have a claim for ushering in psychedelia in the UK. Sunshine Superman pre-dated The Beatles as well as every other UK act's foray into psychedelic music. Not so sure about America as there were growing underground psychedelic scenes in Texas and California. But as far as established acts are as concerned I think he was a trailblazer.

He also embraced eastern music before The Beatles and other supposed stalwarts such as The Incredible String Band who have since been lauded with helping establish World Music.

Unfortunately, for anyone who has seen his DVD, Sunshine Superman, he is unbearably smug about his pioneering musical journeys such as teaching Beatles John, Paul and George finger-picking and being at the forefront of heavy metal
by working with Jimmy Page and Jeff Beck. It's a shame he never worked with Humble Pie because he sure needs a slice of it. Still love a lot of his music though.

He was a trailblazer, but much of that credit should go to his arranger John Cameron. Also, it's not true that he did such things before The Beatles or anyone
else in UK. Both The Beatles and The Yardbirds were already doing eastern influenced, proto-psych type stuff by 1965.

Rather than being the guy who kick started it, regarding the UK Donovan was simply a part of a movement along with various other bands and musicians which slowly evolved beat pop in to psychedelic music.

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I was there. Great to see Jimmy in action again. He needs to get out more. As for Donovan, well the first half was cringe-inducing as he appeared to be tone deaf. He really struggled singing in tune, particularly on the sublime Wear Your Love Like Heaven.

However, for the second half of the concert, which was the Sunshine Superman album played in its entirety, old Don pulled it out of the bag and really shone. It was a great show and it brought home just how overlooked this album is in terms of heralding in both world music and psychedelia. It came out in 66 though recordings starting in late 65.

An unemployed Jimmy. A pity really

"we know it's a bit late but we hope you don't mind if we stay"

fascinating indeed that Donovan still is
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[ If Beck's Bolero ain't experimental and ground-breaking then I don't know what is!

And it was originally released as the B-side of Hi-Ho Silver Linning, that fabulous slice of pop mastery.

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[ If Beck's Bolero ain't experimental and ground-breaking then I don't know what is!

And it was originally released as the B-side of Hi-Ho Silver Linning, that fabulous slice of pop mastery.

Becks Bolero was recorded in secret at IBC Studios in May 1966, Mickey Most didn't have anything to do with it.



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Totally agree. Donovan does have a claim for ushering in psychedelia in the UK. Sunshine Superman pre-dated The Beatles as well as every other UK act's foray into psychedelic music. Not so sure about America as there were growing underground psychedelic scenes in Texas and California. But as far as established acts are as concerned I think he was a trailblazer.

He also embraced eastern music before The Beatles and other supposed stalwarts such as The Incredible String Band who have since been lauded with helping establish World Music.

Unfortunately, for anyone who has seen his DVD, Sunshine Superman, he is unbearably smug about his pioneering musical journeys such as teaching Beatles John, Paul and George finger-picking and being at the forefront of heavy metal
by working with Jimmy Page and Jeff Beck. It's a shame he never worked with Humble Pie because he sure needs a slice of it. Still love a lot of his music though.

He was a trailblazer, but much of that credit should go to his arranger John Cameron. Also, it's not true that he did such things before The Beatles or anyone
else in UK. Both The Beatles and The Yardbirds were already doing eastern influenced, proto-psych type stuff by 1965.

Rather than being the guy who kick started it, regarding the UK Donovan was simply a part of a movement along with various other bands and musicians which slowly evolved beat pop in to psychedelic music.

Sure The Beatles had Norwegian Wood and The Yardbirds had Still I'm Sad but wasn't Donovan the first to have a chart hit with "the new psychedelic sound"?

When did The Kinks release See My Friends as that drone sound has also been credited as being one of the first psychedelic singles?

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Sure The Beatles had Norwegian Wood and The Yardbirds had Still I'm Sad but wasn't Donovan the first to have a chart hit with "the new psychedelic sound"?

When did The Kinks release See My Friends as that drone sound has also been credited as being one of the first psychedelic singles?

The Yardbirds and The Beatles had a lot more on offer than that in 1965.

See My Friend is also for 1965.

I haven't read Donovan's autobiography yet, but doesn't he claim to have invented everything?

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I haven't read Donovan's autobiography yet, but doesn't he claim to have invented everything?

I have read it and yes he does, bless him.

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[Actually, Most had fantastic success in the '70s: Kenny, Racey, Suzi Quatro, Smokie. But I'll understand if not too many people on IORR have those 45s in their collection. I was young, what can I say?

Didn't Most also produce Sweet (or The Sweet if you're British)? He did all their hits IIRC.

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[Actually, Most had fantastic success in the '70s: Kenny, Racey, Suzi Quatro, Smokie. But I'll understand if not too many people on IORR have those 45s in their collection. I was young, what can I say?

Didn't Most also produce Sweet (or The Sweet if you're British)? He did all their hits IIRC.

No, that was Phil Wainman. The connection between Most and Sweet is the writing partnership Mike Chapman and Nicky Chinn, who also wrote for Quatro, Mud and Racey.

That was fun. Thanks for posting. I saw Donovan live at The Cleveland Zoo (an actual zoo, not a club) around 1983. A far cry from the Royal Albert Hall.

Thread of the day Bingo. At least we've had something interesting to discuss which makes up for a lot of crap threads recently.

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I was there. Great to see Jimmy in action again. He needs to get out more. As for Donovan, well the first half was cringe-inducing as he appeared to be tone deaf. He really struggled singing in tune, particularly on the sublime Wear Your Love Like Heaven.

However, for the second half of the concert, which was the Sunshine Superman album played in its entirety, old Don pulled it out of the bag and really shone. It was a great show and it brought home just how overlooked this album is in terms of heralding in both world music and psychedelia. It came out in 66 though recordings starting in late 65.

An unemployed Jimmy. A pity really

Well he doesn't have to be. Stop waiting around for Plant. Just put some guy's together and play some music Jimmy. Doesn't have to be a Zep reunion.

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I was there. Great to see Jimmy in action again. He needs to get out more. As for Donovan, well the first half was cringe-inducing as he appeared to be tone deaf. He really struggled singing in tune, particularly on the sublime Wear Your Love Like Heaven.

However, for the second half of the concert, which was the Sunshine Superman album played in its entirety, old Don pulled it out of the bag and really shone. It was a great show and it brought home just how overlooked this album is in terms of heralding in both world music and psychedelia. It came out in 66 though recordings starting in late 65.

An unemployed Jimmy. A pity really

Well he doesn't have to be. Stop waiting around for Plant. Just put some guy's together and play some music Jimmy. Doesn't have to be a Zep reunion.

Exactly! I saw him with whatever band he was with in 88? Saw him at what use to be The Ritz in NYC, now Webster Hall, one of the best shows I ever saw.

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Both Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones did some session work with Donovan pre-Zep. Hurdy Gudry Man, recorded in April 1968, actually had Page, Jones and Bonham on it a few months before the first Zep sessions.

Whilst Sunshine Superman does feature Page on guitar, there is some debate over whether-or-not he appears on Hurdy Gurdy Man. Sources in the past - complilations and such - often state that it's Page, but others say it isn't. I suspect the latter, personally. John Paul Jones arranged and performed on many of Donovan's 60's studio recordings: Mellow Yellow and Hurdy Gurdy Man being two known examples.

Regarding the lineup on Hurdy Gurdy Man, Wikipedia states as follows:

"In the booklet that came with Donovan's 1992 double CD, Troubadour: The Definitive Collection 1964-1976, Allan Holdsworth and Jimmy Page are listed as the electric guitar players and John Bonham and Clem Cattini as drummers on the recording. However, according to John Paul Jones, who arranged and played bass on the track (and also booked the session musicians), Clem Cattini played the drums and Alan Parker played the electric guitar. This line-up was confirmed by Cattini."

Parker also supplied the funk licks on Bowie's 1984.

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Both Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones did some session work with Donovan pre-Zep. Hurdy Gudry Man, recorded in April 1968, actually had Page, Jones and Bonham on it a few months before the first Zep sessions.

Whilst Sunshine Superman does feature Page on guitar, there is some debate over whether-or-not he appears on Hurdy Gurdy Man. Sources in the past - complilations and such - often state that it's Page, but others say it isn't. I suspect the latter, personally. John Paul Jones arranged and performed on many of Donovan's 60's studio recordings: Mellow Yellow and Hurdy Gurdy Man being two known examples.

Regarding the lineup on Hurdy Gurdy Man, Wikipedia states as follows:

"In the booklet that came with Donovan's 1992 double CD, Troubadour: The Definitive Collection 1964-1976, Allan Holdsworth and Jimmy Page are listed as the electric guitar players and John Bonham and Clem Cattini as drummers on the recording. However, according to John Paul Jones, who arranged and played bass on the track (and also booked the session musicians), Clem Cattini played the drums and Alan Parker played the electric guitar. This line-up was confirmed by Cattini."

Parker also supplied the funk licks on Bowie's 1984.

And, he claims, the riff on Rebel Rebel.