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OT: Maharishi Dead
Posted by: whitem8 ()
Date: February 6, 2008 04:06

THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) -- Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, a guru to the Beatles who introduced the West to Transcendental Meditation, has died at his home in the Dutch town of Vlodrop, a spokesman said Tuesday.


Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, seen in a February 2006 photo, popularized Transcendental Meditation in the West. He was thought to be 91 years old.


"He died peacefully at about 7 p.m.," said Bob Roth, a spokesman for the Transcendental Meditation movement that the Maharishi founded. He said his death appeared to be due to "natural causes, his age."

Once dismissed as hippie mysticism, the Hindu practice of mind control that the Maharishi taught, called transcendental meditation, gradually gained medical respectability.

He began teaching TM in 1955 and brought the technique to the United States in 1959.

But the movement really took off after the Beatles visited his ashram in India in 1968, although he had a famous falling out with the rock stars when he discovered them using drugs at his Himalayan retreat.

With the help of celebrity endorsements, the Maharishi -- a Hindi-language title for Great Seer -- parlayed his interpretations of ancient scripture into a multimillion-dollar global empire.

Interesting the comment about the falling out due to The Beatles drug use. Lennon said it was because he was trying to pick up Mia Farrow's sister Prudence...and Lennon wrote Sexie Sadie about it.

Re: OT: Maharishi Dead
Posted by: bassplayer617 ()
Date: February 6, 2008 04:47

He will not be missed. Lennon realized he was a pseudomystical hack 40 years ago.

Re: OT: Maharishi Dead
Date: February 6, 2008 06:45

(Lennon/McCartney)

Sexy Sadie what have you done
You made a fool of everyone
You made a fool of everyone
Sexy Sadie ooh what have you done

Sexy Sadie you broke the rules
You layed it down for all to see
You layed it down for all to see
Sexy Sadie oooh you broke the rules

One sunny day the world was waiting for a lover
She came along to turn on everyone
Sexy Sadie the greatest of them all

Sexy Sadie how did you know
The world was waiting just for you
The world was waiting just for you
Sexy Sadie oooh how did you know

Sexy Sadie you'll get yours yet
However big you think you are
However big you think you are
Sexy Sadie oooh you'll get yours yet

We gave her everything we owned just to sit at her table
Just a smile would lighten everything
Sexy Sadie she's the latest and the greatest of them all

She made a fool of everyone
Sexy Sadie

However big you think you are
Sexy Sadie

"The wonder of Jimi Hendrix was that he could stand up at all he was so pumped full of drugs." Patsy, Patsy Stone

Re: OT: Maharishi Dead
Posted by: whitem8 ()
Date: February 6, 2008 06:48

Yeah great song, originally John had Maharishi instead of Sexy Sadie and George H, was very upset by this and convinced him to change the lyric.

Re: OT: Maharishi Dead
Posted by: DaveG ()
Date: February 6, 2008 07:29

I was unaware that he was even still alive. He fell off the map when the Beatles left him behind, when they came to their senses.

Westerners are often infatuated by all things Eastern. The Beatles were no different.

Re: OT: Maharishi Dead
Posted by: schillid ()
Date: February 6, 2008 07:37

Witness the whole Bombay troubadours mystery.

Re: OT: Maharishi Dead
Posted by: Lady Jayne ()
Date: February 6, 2008 10:04

Quote
DaveG
I was unaware that he was even still alive.

Me too. I did a course about the 60's eighteen months ago, part of which had a programme about all the cultural and religious influences. At the end they ran through where everyone is now, mostly dead or forgtoten. The final frame showed Mick and Keith (playing in Prague) and said "The Stones are still rolling"!

Re: OT: Maharishi Dead
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: February 6, 2008 11:01

From UK Telegraph

The spiritualist and author Deepak Chopra, a former maharishi disciple and a friend of Harrison, has said that contrary to popular myth, the row was nothing to do with claims that the maharishi made sexual advances on Mia Farrow, the actress and friend of the band.

Instead, he said, the maharishi had objected to the group taking drugs at his home in Rishikesh, northern India.

Dr Chopra told the Sunday Telegraph: "What isn't generally known is that the maharishi had got fed up with the Beatles taking drugs while they were at his ashram [spiritual home].

"They were smoking ganja [cannabis] and taking LSD. He hadn't come across anything like that before and he took a strong view."

Times of India

This is a true story of love and bitterness, recrimination and reconciliation. It’s a story of glamour and spirituality, drugs and rock ‘n’ roll. It’s about four men whom the world worshipped, and the mentor they first adored, then abhorred. It’s a story that has never before been told in its entirety, though gossip and rumours have swirled around it for years.

Why exactly did relations between the Beatles and Maharishi Mahesh Yogi sour? Was there any truth to the allegations that the Maharishi had propositioned a friend of the Beatles? As an erstwhile disciple of the Maharishi, and a close friend of the Beatles, spiritual master Deepak Chopra is probably one of the few people who knew the real story.

He said after some prodding: "The Beatles — along with their entourage, which included Mia Farrow — were doing drugs, taking LSD, at Maharishi’s ashram, and he lost his temper with them. He asked them to leave, and they did in a huff. But when they went to the US, John Lennon gave an interview on the Johnny Carson show, accusing Maharishi of being a dirty old man. Later, Lennon also wrote a satirical song about Maharishi, which went: Sexy Sadie, what have you done/you made a fool of everyone."

"But I’m sure there was never any truth to Lennon’s allegations," added Chopra.

"In fact, the rumour was that Maharishi had misbehaved with Mia Farrow, but I met Mia years later at the airport while taking a flight to India, and she asked me to tell Maharishi that she still loved him."

Re: OT: Maharishi Dead
Posted by: arizojp ()
Date: February 6, 2008 19:20

Mick and Marianne, Wales 1967, during a Maharishi speech :



Mick on the right of the picture :


Re: OT: Maharishi Dead
Posted by: HelterSkelter ()
Date: February 6, 2008 19:51

Quote
bassplayer617
He will not be missed. Lennon realized he was a pseudomystical hack 40 years ago.

The Dude's dead man, have some effing respect....

For better or for worse without the Maharishi and the Beatle's trip(s) to India there would be no masterpiece called THE WHITE ALBUM (probably the Beatle's best album by a hair) AND Westerners get infatuated with all things Eastern because in the end a lot of it (Yoga, Meditation, Acupuncture, Herbs, etc) seem to do a lot of good. Contrast that with the more detailed report on Heath Ledger that was released this morning, accidental death/overdose due to 6 prescription drugs mixed together (Xanax, Valium, Vicodin, Oxycoton - sp?, and 2 others) There you have Western medical practices in action... maybe Eastern ways should be looked into more considering what Western has given us in many cases.......

BTW, Maharishi made it to 91, he did SOMETHING right (maybe we should pay attention, study the situation, and not be so close minded)...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008-02-06 20:07 by HelterSkelter.

Re: OT: Maharishi Dead
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: February 7, 2008 00:11





ROCKMAN

Re: OT: Maharishi Dead
Posted by: DaveG ()
Date: February 7, 2008 00:38

Well, I really can't say that I know why we Westerners a have been infatuated by Eastern thought, etc. but it may have something to do with the old saying, "The grass is always greener . . .". In other parts of the world people are often fascinated by the West. Who can say that one culture is better than the other? each has made it's contribution to making the world a better place and making the world a worse place. It is a bit simplistic to use the example of Heath Ledger's OD to illustrate how awful the medical practices of the West are. That has more to do with the irresponsible choices he made. It is sad when any person his age dies un such a way. He is dead, and his family grieves his loss. However, one can point to millions of examples of the good Western medicine has done, the advances in medical care that have been developed.

But, back to the Beatles . . . . yes, some of their best music came following their trips to India. Whether or not their is a direct correlation, I don't know. I think George was more influenced than the others and it most definitely impacted his lifestyle long term.

Re: OT: Maharishi Dead
Posted by: dixiecup ()
Date: February 7, 2008 01:27

Quote
HelterSkelter
Quote
bassplayer617
He will not be missed. Lennon realized he was a pseudomystical hack 40 years ago.

The Dude's dead man, have some effing respect....

thank you.

Re: OT: Maharishi Dead
Posted by: HelterSkelter ()
Date: February 7, 2008 02:12

Sure some Western medicine has worked miracles on many diseases and stuff that used to be a death sentence (antibiotics, polio shots, anti malaria pills, the AIDS drugs they have now, some Cancer Treatments, on and on) but there is a ton of shit mixed into it to. Same with Eastern, there's a ton of shit mixed in with the good stuff... Yeah, the smartest thing one can do is take the good from each country or region or whatever... No one has all the answers.... as far as Ledger I'm just saying that daily modern medical treatment (at least in the US, Europe is much better) these days is almost always a 10 minute quick bullsh*t session with a triple booked over worked Doctor followed by a mountain of pills - AUTOMATIC FOR THE PEOPLE, I get better personal care driving thru a McDonalds.... The dude (Heath) was a victim of modern medical practices IMHO.....

Yes there is a direct correlation to Maharishi and THE WHITE ALBUM - no visit to India (for a month I believe) and hanging with the dude no "many songs written in India" so no WHITE ALBUM (check out The Beatles Anthology DVD'S for footage and more info).... it's that SIMPLE

Re: OT: Maharishi Dead
Posted by: Elmo Lewis ()
Date: February 7, 2008 03:46

Maharishi Dead

Reportedly had smelled that way since the late 50's.

"No Anchovies, Please"

Re: OT: Maharishi Dead
Posted by: TippyToe ()
Date: February 7, 2008 04:54

"As I always said to George, I draw the line at swamis." Keith

Funny quote Keith made about why he didn't follow Maharishi to India with the Beatles.

Keith made the remark in this article he wrote in Rolling Stone about George Harrison after he died in 2001.

Re: OT: Maharishi Dead
Posted by: tomk ()
Date: February 7, 2008 05:21

Quote
HelterSkelter
.... as far as Ledger I'm just saying that daily modern medical treatment (at least in the US, Europe is much better)
The dude (Heath) was a victim of modern medical practices IMHO.....


Well, the U.S-Europe comment is debatable. Something tells me you're
just an advocate for socialized medicine and want more nanny-state
welfare state nonsense here in the U.S. I don't see too many pepole lining up
to go to Europe for health care.

Ledger didn't die from modern mediacal practices.
He died from stupidity. Look at what was found in his body.
Percocet, Vicodin, Valium, Temazepam (used for insomnia),
Xanex, and a substance used in NyQuil.
You're an absolute idiot if you're taking all that stuff at once,
and he was certainly old enough to know better.
NOw, if he had only one doctor who perscribed all this,
then he/she should definitely have their license revoked.
And if he was seeing more than one, he should have told them
what he had been perscribed. THose are all downers he was taking.
A shame, yes, but he was asking for it.

As for TM, I wouldn't mind learning it.
But you see, the Maharishi was smart. He was a captialist,
which most of you hate. $2000 to learn it? Why not free if it's supposed
to bring about peace of mind and world peace?
Think about that next time you're at Starbucks.

Re: OT: Maharishi Dead
Posted by: soundcheck ()
Date: February 7, 2008 05:23

Quote
HelterSkelter
Sure some Western medicine has worked miracles on many diseases and stuff that used to be a death sentence (antibiotics, polio shots, anti malaria pills, the AIDS drugs they have now, some Cancer Treatments, on and on) but there is a ton of shit mixed into it to. Same with Eastern, there's a ton of shit mixed in with the good stuff... Yeah, the smartest thing one can do is take the good from each country or region or whatever... No one has all the answers.... as far as Ledger I'm just saying that daily modern medical treatment (at least in the US, Europe is much better) these days is almost always a 10 minute quick bullsh*t session with a triple booked over worked Doctor followed by a mountain of pills - AUTOMATIC FOR THE PEOPLE, I get better personal care driving thru a McDonalds.... The dude (Heath) was a victim of modern medical practices IMHO.....

Yes there is a direct correlation to Maharishi and THE WHITE ALBUM - no visit to India (for a month I believe) and hanging with the dude no "many songs written in India" so no WHITE ALBUM (check out The Beatles Anthology DVD'S for footage and more info).... it's that SIMPLE

____ you may want to attempt to edit your whole post, do your self a favor!

Re: OT: Maharishi Dead
Posted by: little queenie ()
Date: February 7, 2008 06:48

i can't help but think of keith's purported "spiritual advisor" whom i met in vancouver in '06. what a laugh. i was waiting for pearls of wisdom but get more from my cats. only saw bad behavior and heard about even more.

Re: OT: Maharishi Dead
Posted by: soundcheck ()
Date: February 7, 2008 06:56

Quote
tomk
Quote
HelterSkelter
.... as far as Ledger I'm just saying that daily modern medical treatment (at least in the US, Europe is much better)
The dude (Heath) was a victim of modern medical practices IMHO.....


Well, the U.S-Europe comment is debatable. Something tells me you're
just an advocate for socialized medicine and want more nanny-state
welfare state nonsense here in the U.S. I don't see too many pepole lining up
to go to Europe for health care.

Ledger didn't die from modern mediacal practices.
He died from stupidity. Look at what was found in his body.
Percocet, Vicodin, Valium, Temazepam (used for insomnia),
Xanex, and a substance used in NyQuil.
You're an absolute idiot if you're taking all that stuff at once,
and he was certainly old enough to know better.
NOw, if he had only one doctor who perscribed all this,
then he/she should definitely have their license revoked.
And if he was seeing more than one, he should have told them
what he had been perscribed. THose are all downers he was taking.
A shame, yes, but he was asking for it.

As for TM, I wouldn't mind learning it.
But you see, the Maharishi was smart. He was a captialist,
which most of you hate. $2000 to learn it? Why not free if it's supposed
to bring about peace of mind and world peace?
Think about that next time you're at Starbucks.

___________ i had the good fortune to spend a little time with ledger very recently.... he was not an idiot by any stretch of anyone's imagination but obviously yours . . ... your naviety about drugs and what he should of done leaves me with just the suggestion you may let him rest in peace,, back off of talking about what you know nothing about........... ps. you mention why someone one 'maharishi' would charge money,, do you have a brilliant solution how one can exsist without charging/making money?????? nevermind, im sure no one needs to hear your reply...............



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008-02-07 07:06 by soundcheck.

Re: OT: Maharishi Dead
Posted by: tomk ()
Date: February 7, 2008 08:15

Soundcheck, I think you're the naive one here.
I never said your friend Mr Ledger was an idiot.
Apparently, you can't read. His death was from stupidity
from taking all the above said drugs. Tragic, yes.
But I'm smart enought to know not to mix all that stuff.
How does that make me naive? So do you know a proper method
to take all that stuff? If you do, please let the world know.
As for the Marharishi/money comment, you obviously missed the sarcasam.
I don't give a toss if he charged for the technique or not.
I almost paid for it myself several years ago.
However, I couldn't afford it at the time, so I didn't get it.
That's the way capatalism works.
BTW, John Lennon always said he got a kick out of not paying him,
so good for Lennon on that one.

Re: OT: Maharishi Dead
Posted by: HelterSkelter ()
Date: February 7, 2008 09:30

Quote
tomk
Quote
HelterSkelter
.... as far as Ledger I'm just saying that daily modern medical treatment (at least in the US, Europe is much better)
The dude (Heath) was a victim of modern medical practices IMHO.....


Well, the U.S-Europe comment is debatable. Something tells me you're
just an advocate for socialized medicine and want more nanny-state
welfare state nonsense here in the U.S. I don't see too many pepole lining up
to go to Europe for health care.

Ledger didn't die from modern mediacal practices.
He died from stupidity. Look at what was found in his body.
Percocet, Vicodin, Valium, Temazepam (used for insomnia),
Xanex, and a substance used in NyQuil.
You're an absolute idiot if you're taking all that stuff at once,
and he was certainly old enough to know better.
NOw, if he had only one doctor who perscribed all this,
then he/she should definitely have their license revoked.
And if he was seeing more than one, he should have told them
what he had been perscribed. THose are all downers he was taking.
A shame, yes, but he was asking for it.

As for TM, I wouldn't mind learning it.
But you see, the Maharishi was smart. He was a captialist,
which most of you hate. $2000 to learn it? Why not free if it's supposed
to bring about peace of mind and world peace?
Think about that next time you're at Starbucks.

Well, tell your friend "SOMETHING" that he's got it 100% wrong. First of all I live in LA (much more than I wish too) and Paris (France, not Texas) part time (but not lately since the US dollar is in the toilet) so I've PERSONALLY been to numerous French Doctors as well as British, German, and numerous other European countries, my cousin is a heart specialist in Europe and another cousin is a Dentist - I know the systems inside out.

I've been to about 80 countries, some many times, and have been to Doctors from South America to Seychelles in my decades of traveling (not bragging, just presenting my case). So, with that much PERSONAL experience I can tell you FIRST HAND that the US medical system SUCKS (and it's getting worse and worse). Doctors are freaked out about lawsuits, they rely on very expensive machines and tests that should be replaced by more medical instinct and getting to know their patients a bit better. Over 100,000 patients die in US Hospitals every year due to "MISTAKES" (like given the wrong medication, etc) I will take the French medical system ANY DAY OF THE WEEK over the impersonal, overrated, fast-food-drive-thru US medical "so-called" care and am working right now on getting DUAL CITIZENSHIP.

Oh, and it's ILLEGAL for US Citizens to bring in medicine from other countries if it's also sold in the US. Say what? In the land of the free we can't bring in Antibiotics from Canada? Because the drugs might be contaminated? Gee, since 80% of our drugs come from China (land of lead paint on childrens toys) you'd think contamination is part of the package... wouldn't be because medicine is at least 50% cheaper ANYWHERE outside of the US. Wonder if the Pharmacutical companies have ANYTHING to do with this law????... let me think....let me think some more

Oh, and when you talk about "Socialized Medicine" and "Nanny-State"/"Welfare State nonsense" are you refering to the US provided MEDICARE, MEDICAL, or the VETERANS HOSPITALS and MEDICAL TREATMENT ?? Just in case you haven't noticed those are all SOCIALIZED and they seem to work pretty good - better than having your cancer treatment/heart surgery not covered by some rip off Insurance Company and then when you can't pay the bills they take your house away from you to cover the costs - happens all the time, NUMBER ONE cause of personal bankruptcies in the USA year after year. Now THAT'S what I call a CIVILIZED NATION !!

BTW, I don't go to Starbucks (and Maharishi had a right to charge whatever he wanted, he provided a service. Last time I checked that's the way THE WORLD worked), Back to coffee - I make my own Top Notch French or Italian or Swedish coffee at home since European friends always bring some when they visit (I'm not gonna drive for 10 minutes one way for a cup of coffee, what a waste of time and money) So, in closing, make sure to REFUSE your SOCIALIZED MEDICARE when you turn 65 years old - hate to see you become a victim of the very unmanly "Nanny State" and also refuse help from the POLICE and FIRE DEPARTMENT too cause they are also SOCIALIZED (and I'll settle for the same "Free" Health Care all our Senators and Congress members get since our taxes pay for it ALL)....Shouldn't "stereotype" cause as you see, you got it ALL WRONG......

WATCH, LISTEN, and LEARN - it's a big world out there (USA ain't the only country on the planet - no matter what they tell you on the radio)







Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008-02-07 10:29 by HelterSkelter.

Re: OT: Maharishi Dead
Posted by: vox12string ()
Date: February 7, 2008 10:09

Prudence taught me to meditate in late 1969/early 1970.

It was in southern Ontario where there whare a bunch of unis, I was in Waterloo, & there were tons of us lost uni students coming to grips with life , death, the universe, etc. We were ripe for someone to come along & give us the meaning of life. The TM folks went around the unis giving free introductory lectures & some of us gave it a go.

We congregated at a house in Hamilton where Prudence was ensconsed (heavy with child @ that time), where she proceeded to give us our mantras & help guide us along the path. Only saw her a couple of times before I gave it up & discovered acid & Fellini.

Re: OT: Maharishi Dead
Posted by: Cafaro ()
Date: February 7, 2008 19:39

Quote
DaveG
I was unaware that he was even still alive. He fell off the map when the Beatles left him behind, when they came to their senses.

Westerners are often infatuated by all things Eastern. The Beatles were no different.


Yea.....true! I can;t get enough Chinese food! smiling smiley

Re: OT: Maharishi Dead
Posted by: DaveG ()
Date: February 7, 2008 21:00

Cafaro, you got what I'm talking about! How about some nice chicken tikka as well?? With some onion, garlic, curry and some good naan . . . . . oh, yeah.

Re: OT: Maharishi Dead
Posted by: HelterSkelter ()
Date: February 8, 2008 05:03

Yeah but now you're talkin' Indian cuisine which has nothing to do with Chinese (or did I miss something? Lost in Translation??)

Re: OT: Maharishi Dead
Posted by: DaveG ()
Date: February 8, 2008 07:19

You're right, I made a big leap from Chinese to Indian cuisine. . . .when it comes to food, Eastern, Asian . . .it doesn't mater, it's all good.

Re: OT: Maharishi Dead
Posted by: HelterSkelter ()
Date: February 8, 2008 07:36

VERY TRUE DG - I would throw Thai and Indonesian in there too.....

Re: OT: Maharishi Dead
Posted by: DaveG ()
Date: February 8, 2008 07:38

You're killin' me! I'm hungry now. I once has some of the best Indian food in Sendai, Japan. The naan bread was out of this world , , , ,

Re: OT: Maharishi Dead
Posted by: Title5Take1 ()
Date: March 12, 2013 03:31

Quote
The Menace of Mayfair
(Lennon/McCartney)

Sexy Sadie what have you done
You made a fool of everyone
You made a fool of everyone
Sexy Sadie ooh what have you done

Sexy Sadie you broke the rules
You layed it down for all to see
You layed it down for all to see
Sexy Sadie oooh you broke the rules

One sunny day the world was waiting for a lover
She came along to turn on everyone
Sexy Sadie the greatest of them all

Sexy Sadie how did you know
The world was waiting just for you
The world was waiting just for you
Sexy Sadie oooh how did you know

Sexy Sadie you'll get yours yet
However big you think you are
However big you think you are
Sexy Sadie oooh you'll get yours yet

We gave her everything we owned just to sit at her table
Just a smile would lighten everything
Sexy Sadie she's the latest and the greatest of them all

She made a fool of everyone
Sexy Sadie

However big you think you are
Sexy Sadie

I just read that the first two lines were "inspired" by the first two lines of Smokey Robinson's song I'VE BEEN GOOD TO YOU. And the rest of the song was what inspired John to write THIS BOY. (I read this in the new book Days That I'll Remember: Spending Time with John Lennon and Yoko Ono by Jonathan Cott.)

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