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thkbeercan
When the Stones performed on Ed Sullivan's show in 1969, Mick sang live to pre-recorded instrumental tracks, all identical (and shortened) to the released versions. His vocals were mixed low, just in case he decided to sing something naughty. Girls screams were also mixed into this audio.
I've just watched Amazon's promo video for the DVD release and on "Gimme Shelter" you can hear Merry Clayton's voice clearly, as well as a louder vocal from Mick, apparently due to the ordinary LP track being substituted for the actual Sullivan performance.
So much for authenticity.....
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flacnvinyl
I have always wondered about junk like this. Can someone enlighten me as to why performances were occasionally lip-sync'd and other times live?
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CrissCrossMind
I have a Boot Video of all the Stone's Ed Sullivan shows and the last one (Gimme Shelter, Love in Vain, Honky Tonk Woman) SUCKS big time cause the vocals are so f*cking turned down it sounds HORRIBLE !!! What a way to ruin a great performance, SO stupid, SO paranoid......
That will take some effort. The Ed Sullivan performance of Gimme Shelter also kinda roughly edits out the rape, murder bit...Quote
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CrissCrossMind
I have a Boot Video of all the Stone's Ed Sullivan shows and the last one (Gimme Shelter, Love in Vain, Honky Tonk Woman) SUCKS big time cause the vocals are so f*cking turned down it sounds HORRIBLE !!! What a way to ruin a great performance, SO stupid, SO paranoid......
I agree, but it will be even worse on the new DVD with dubbed studio version(s) used instead.
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WilliamPatrickMaynard
The vocals were mixed low because of the lyrics to "Gimme Shelter" and "Honky Tonk Women" neither of which were Primetime-friendly in 1969. This is what Mick is talking about during the press conference in the GIMME SHELTER documentary when he talks about being sanitized like washing detergent right before the classic "Are you satisfied?" question.
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BritneyThat will take some effort. The Ed Sullivan performance of Gimme Shelter also kinda roughly edits out the rape, murder bit...Quote
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CrissCrossMind
I have a Boot Video of all the Stone's Ed Sullivan shows and the last one (Gimme Shelter, Love in Vain, Honky Tonk Woman) SUCKS big time cause the vocals are so f*cking turned down it sounds HORRIBLE !!! What a way to ruin a great performance, SO stupid, SO paranoid......
I agree, but it will be even worse on the new DVD with dubbed studio version(s) used instead.
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CrissCrossMind
I have a Boot Video of all the Stone's Ed Sullivan shows and the last one (Gimme Shelter, Love in Vain, Honky Tonk Woman) SUCKS big time cause the vocals are so f*cking turned down it sounds HORRIBLE !!! What a way to ruin a great performance, SO stupid, SO paranoid......
I agree, but it will be even worse on the new DVD with dubbed studio version(s) used instead.
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CrissCrossMind
I have a Boot Video of all the Stone's Ed Sullivan shows and the last one (Gimme Shelter, Love in Vain, Honky Tonk Woman) SUCKS big time cause the vocals are so f*cking turned down it sounds HORRIBLE !!! What a way to ruin a great performance, SO stupid, SO paranoid......
I agree, but it will be even worse on the new DVD with dubbed studio version(s) used instead.
Please tell me you're kidding.
Ah well, that's one less purchase to make in November, then....
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scottkeef
You ever notice that on the 67 "Let's Spend Some Time" rehearsal show Keith is spot on with his b/u vocal but on the broadcast he flubs it? Hmmmm...a little bit of protesting under the radar?
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WilliamPatrickMaynard
The vocals were mixed low because of the lyrics to "Gimme Shelter" and "Honky Tonk Women" neither of which were Primetime-friendly in 1969. This is what Mick is talking about during the press conference in the GIMME SHELTER documentary when he talks about being sanitized like washing detergent right before the classic "Are you satisfied?" question.
I don't think I'm going out on a limb here, but wasn't that answer to the "Let's Spend Some Time Together" lyric change?
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Gazza
Please tell me you're kidding.
Ah well, that's one less purchase to make in November, then....
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CrissCrossMind
Satisfaction (one of the best TV versions - great mix)
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scottkeef
You ever notice that on the 67 "Let's Spend Some Time" rehearsal show Keith is spot on with his b/u vocal but on the broadcast he flubs it? Hmmmm...a little bit of protesting under the radar?
Stagefright - he was just shit nervous.
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flacnvinyl
I have always wondered about junk like this. Can someone enlighten me as to why performances were occasionally lip-sync'd and other times live?
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DragonSky
One thought is they used a recording so the time allotment would not change and possibly disrupt the commercial schedule...
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DragonSky
One thought is they used a recording so the time allotment would not change and possibly disrupt the commercial schedule...
The segment was pretaped on 18th November 1969, & broadcast on 23rd November 1969. So this wasn't an issue (if they did versions too long they would've just been told to do it again).
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DragonSky
There may have been other reasons - they didn't want to bother actually recording the music; they couldn't actually record the music/band in a convincing manner; the record label wanted the LP version used with Jagger singing over it because it sounded like the LP version then and people would immediately identify it. The band didn't feel like playing it. Mars was in post-retrograde with Pluto. Etc...
Such a mystery.
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The interesting bit is that the earliest UK TV appearances were mimed but the earliest US shows were bona fide performances.
apparently the UK TV studios were so very lame for rock & roll purposes that they didn't even attempt it until mid-65 or so.
(later of course they also went the "live vocal + backing tack" route)
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Sleepy City
The Arthur Haynes Show (UK, February 1964) was live, & that was predominantly a comedy show... while The Red Skelton Show (a US comedy show) was mimed. So it's not quite that clear cut.
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The Arthur Haynes Show (UK, February 1964) was live, & that was predominantly a comedy show... while The Red Skelton Show (a US comedy show) was mimed. So it's not quite that clear cut.
ah but that Red Skelton show was taped in London (at the Palladium, to be exact).
but in any case, right - it's not quite that clearcut, especially the UK side of things.
i was generalizing. have some popcorn