the only ones that have taken keiths method and copied it i know are

Waddy Watchell , of course , after 5:33 (enjoy him playing a bigsby les paul before that)








or this guy ,with carla olsen, George Callins (from from 0:54)





i've seen tom petty playing a song in open g ( can't remember which one) but i think it was a 6 stringer

any more ?

some songs of John Cougar Mellencamp are played in open g

With respect, isn't it Ted Newman-Jones' method and not exactly Keith's?

I believe Page used it on "That's the Way"

Mick Jagger

Rich Robinson of the Black Crowes uses open G a lot, Graham Parker too.



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All the 5 string banjo players you know.

Supposedly, as I've read in a few places over the years, it started in Hawaii.

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Supposedly, as I've read in a few places over the years, it started in Hawaii.

Read where?

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With respect, isn't it Ted Newman-Jones' method and not exactly Keith's?

TNJ's "method"? I thought he was just a luthier who built a few 5-string customs for Keith (albiet to help him exploit the tuning)? Not sure I'd give him--or Keith--credit for "the method" which is essentially banjo tuning, and I'm sure it was utilized by guitarists of many genres way before Ry Cooder or whoever it was showed it to Keith.

Yep - TNJ only built a 5 string guitar for Keith. That's all.

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I believe Page used it on "That's the Way"

On "Dancing Days" too...

Keef says in Life that Ry Cooder taught him six-string open G and that he removed the low D because it was in the way.

so nobody really has taken keiths 5 string method apart from the above ?
playing like the blues-, chuck berry- , and then eddy vanhalenetc- , keiths method is surely another milestone in guitar playing?

Basically, whenever TNJ was playing Stones songs to himself, he was finding that his sound was a great deal better than anything Keith had been acheiving on record.

Consequently, he tracked Keith down and introduced him to his own particular version of 5 string open g tuning.

If you believe what's written in Life, you'll believe anything!

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Basically, whenever TNJ was playing Stones songs to himself, he was finding that his sound was a great deal better than anything Keith had been acheiving on record.

Consequently, he tracked Keith down and introduced him to his own particular version of 5 string open g tuning.

If you believe what's written in Life, you'll believe anything!

Bollocks. Richards removed the E-string already in '69, and he didn't meet TNJ before mid-71.

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Basically, whenever TNJ was playing Stones songs to himself, he was finding that his sound was a great deal better than anything Keith had been acheiving on record.

Consequently, he tracked Keith down and introduced him to his own particular version of 5 string open g tuning.

If you believe what's written in Life, you'll believe anything!

Bollocks. Richards removed the E-string already in '69, and he didn't meet TNJ before mid-71.

Mathijs

Hold your tongue, you arrogant twat.

Yes, Keith had experimented with 5 string open tuning but without much success.

TNJ was getting a better sound than Keith which is the very reason he took him on.

Come on, Mainman, Honky Tonk Woman wasn't that bad!

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5 string open g isn't rocket science, just a guitar tuned to open g with one string removed. As for getting a better sound with a guitar, proper intonation has a lot to do with it. Regardless of 5 or 6 strings.

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Basically, whenever TNJ was playing Stones songs to himself, he was finding that his sound was a great deal better than anything Keith had been acheiving on record.

Consequently, he tracked Keith down and introduced him to his own particular version of 5 string open g tuning.

If you believe what's written in Life, you'll believe anything!

Bollocks. Richards removed the E-string already in '69, and he didn't meet TNJ before mid-71.

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Hold your tongue, you arrogant twat.

Yes, Keith had experimented with 5 string open tuning but without much success.

TNJ was getting a better sound than Keith which is the very reason he took him on.

Again bollocks. Richards experimenting with five-string open G yielded Honky Tonk, Brown Sugar, Wild Horses, Can't You Hear Me Knocking, Tumbling Dice, Casino Boogie, Rip This Joint to name a few way before TNJ got involved. I think we can say Keith was quite succesful at five string open G.

The main reason Keith hired TNJ was to replace several guitars that where stolen in July 71. Before the '72 tour Keith got in contact again with TNJ, asking him to look after the guitars on tour. TNJ then offered to handle Keith the guitars on stage at well, quite a novelty in those days. It wasn't until late '72 or very early '73 that TNJ presented the first 5-string open G guitar to Keith.

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Basically, whenever TNJ was playing Stones songs to himself, he was finding that his sound was a great deal better than anything Keith had been acheiving on record.

Consequently, he tracked Keith down and introduced him to his own particular version of 5 string open g tuning.

If you believe what's written in Life, you'll believe anything!

I find this statement hard to believe as Keith was getting great sounds out of the tuning before he met Newman-Jones. 'Honky Tonk Women' was recorded in the Spring of 1969, well before he met Newman-Jones is but one example. If anyone taught Keith how to get something out of open G then that person would be Ry Cooder. Can you substantiate the claim you make here?

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Basically, whenever TNJ was playing Stones songs to himself, he was finding that his sound was a great deal better than anything Keith had been acheiving on record.

Consequently, he tracked Keith down and introduced him to his own particular version of 5 string open g tuning.

If you believe what's written in Life, you'll believe anything!

Wow.....now that's far out there. Where on earth did you hear such a thing?

I think george thorogood uses open G in a lot of songs such at bad to the bone.

Doesn't Keith mention in Life that Ike recorded a full album in 5-string open G after learning it from him?

A lot of famous players use open G. But I can't really think of any one else who would remove the low E. Mick Jagger is probably the most famous "other"...

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Basically, whenever TNJ was playing Stones songs to himself, he was finding that his sound was a great deal better than anything Keith had been acheiving on record.

Consequently, he tracked Keith down and introduced him to his own particular version of 5 string open g tuning.

If you believe what's written in Life, you'll believe anything!

Bollocks. Richards removed the E-string already in '69, and he didn't meet TNJ before mid-71.

Mathijs

Hold your tongue, you arrogant twat.

Yes, Keith had experimented with 5 string open tuning but without much success.

TNJ was getting a better sound than Keith which is the very reason he took him on.

Again bollocks. Richards experimenting with five-string open G yielded Honky Tonk, Brown Sugar, Wild Horses, Can't You Hear Me Knocking, Tumbling Dice, Casino Boogie, Rip This Joint to name a few way before TNJ got involved. I think we can say Keith was quite succesful at five string open G.

The main reason Keith hired TNJ was to replace several guitars that where stolen in July 71. Before the '72 tour Keith got in contact again with TNJ, asking him to look after the guitars on tour. TNJ then offered to handle Keith the guitars on stage at well, quite a novelty in those days. It wasn't until late '72 or very early '73 that TNJ presented the first 5-string open G guitar to Keith.

Mathijs

Yes, it is bollocks, and I am more than happy to stand corrected!

My mis-understanding came as a consequence of mixing up the bravado of one TNJ interview (1975) with another more brass-tracks article a year or two later.

However, TNJ DID track Keith down in 1969 in the belief that he must have been tuning in E as opposed to five-string Open G. The upshot of this meeting was that TNJ went away and constructed a five-string guitar based around a re-alignment of the pole pieces, itself, the consequence (he claims) of getting a better sunsequent Open G sound than that which Richards was getting.

He presented the guitar to Keith in 1971 and so impressed was our hero that, as you allude to in your post, he was awarded the painstaking process of rebuilding a substantial part of his collection.

Now, carry on being an arrogant twat.

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Basically, whenever TNJ was playing Stones songs to himself, he was finding that his sound was a great deal better than anything Keith had been acheiving on record.

Consequently, he tracked Keith down and introduced him to his own particular version of 5 string open g tuning.

If you believe what's written in Life, you'll believe anything!

I find this statement hard to believe as Keith was getting great sounds out of the tuning before he met Newman-Jones. 'Honky Tonk Women' was recorded in the Spring of 1969, well before he met Newman-Jones is but one example. If anyone taught Keith how to get something out of open G then that person would be Ry Cooder. Can you substantiate the claim you make here?

It is a fact that TNJ met up with Keith in 1969.

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Basically, whenever TNJ was playing Stones songs to himself, he was finding that his sound was a great deal better than anything Keith had been acheiving on record.

Consequently, he tracked Keith down and introduced him to his own particular version of 5 string open g tuning.

If you believe what's written in Life, you'll believe anything!

Bollocks. Richards removed the E-string already in '69, and he didn't meet TNJ before mid-71.

Mathijs

Hold your tongue, you arrogant twat.

Yes, Keith had experimented with 5 string open tuning but without much success.

TNJ was getting a better sound than Keith which is the very reason he took him on.

Again bollocks. Richards experimenting with five-string open G yielded Honky Tonk, Brown Sugar, Wild Horses, Can't You Hear Me Knocking, Tumbling Dice, Casino Boogie, Rip This Joint to name a few way before TNJ got involved. I think we can say Keith was quite succesful at five string open G.

The main reason Keith hired TNJ was to replace several guitars that where stolen in July 71. Before the '72 tour Keith got in contact again with TNJ, asking him to look after the guitars on tour. TNJ then offered to handle Keith the guitars on stage at well, quite a novelty in those days. It wasn't until late '72 or very early '73 that TNJ presented the first 5-string open G guitar to Keith.

Mathijs

Yes, it is bollocks, and I am more than happy to stand corrected!

My mis-understanding came as a consequence of mixing up the bravado of one TNJ interview (1975) with another more brass-tracks article a year or two later.

However, TNJ DID track Keith down in 1969 in the belief that he must have been tuning in E as opposed to five-string Open G. The upshot of this meeting was that TNJ went away and constructed a five-string guitar based around a re-alignment of the pole pieces, itself, the consequence (he claims) of getting a better sunsequent Open G sound than that which Richards was getting.

He presented the guitar to Keith in 1971 and so impressed was our hero that, as you allude to in your post, he was awarded the painstaking process of rebuilding a substantial part of his collection.

Now, carry on being an arrogant twat.

Mainman

Well, not quite. TNJ was invited at Nellcote to replace some guitars that where stolen. He wasn't invited back again until may '72, when he was asked to be the guitar tech of the tour. On this tour he did some work on a couple of guitars -he added the humbucker on micawber and recut the nut, and recut the nut of the '57 Strat used for BS. TNJ then went to build a 5-string guitar which he presented to Richards in preparation for the Jan 18 1973 concert. This guitar was used by Richards on the 73 tour. Richards didn't play a TNJ guitar until 1979, where he used a LP shaped guitar on JJF. TNJ worked as a guitar tech for the Stones until the '78 tour.

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Basically, whenever TNJ was playing Stones songs to himself, he was finding that his sound was a great deal better than anything Keith had been acheiving on record.

Consequently, he tracked Keith down and introduced him to his own particular version of 5 string open g tuning.

If you believe what's written in Life, you'll believe anything!

Bollocks. Richards removed the E-string already in '69, and he didn't meet TNJ before mid-71.

Mathijs

Hold your tongue, you arrogant twat.

Yes, Keith had experimented with 5 string open tuning but without much success.

TNJ was getting a better sound than Keith which is the very reason he took him on.

Again bollocks. Richards experimenting with five-string open G yielded Honky Tonk, Brown Sugar, Wild Horses, Can't You Hear Me Knocking, Tumbling Dice, Casino Boogie, Rip This Joint to name a few way before TNJ got involved. I think we can say Keith was quite succesful at five string open G.

The main reason Keith hired TNJ was to replace several guitars that where stolen in July 71. Before the '72 tour Keith got in contact again with TNJ, asking him to look after the guitars on tour. TNJ then offered to handle Keith the guitars on stage at well, quite a novelty in those days. It wasn't until late '72 or very early '73 that TNJ presented the first 5-string open G guitar to Keith.

Mathijs

Yes, it is bollocks, and I am more than happy to stand corrected!

My mis-understanding came as a consequence of mixing up the bravado of one TNJ interview (1975) with another more brass-tracks article a year or two later.

However, TNJ DID track Keith down in 1969 in the belief that he must have been tuning in E as opposed to five-string Open G. The upshot of this meeting was that TNJ went away and constructed a five-string guitar based around a re-alignment of the pole pieces, itself, the consequence (he claims) of getting a better sunsequent Open G sound than that which Richards was getting.

He presented the guitar to Keith in 1971 and so impressed was our hero that, as you allude to in your post, he was awarded the painstaking process of rebuilding a substantial part of his collection.

Now, carry on being an arrogant twat.

Mainman

Well, not quite. TNJ was invited at Nellcote to replace some guitars that where stolen. He wasn't invited back again until may '72, when he was asked to be the guitar tech of the tour. On this tour he did some work on a couple of guitars -he added the humbucker on micawber and recut the nut, and recut the nut of the '57 Strat used for BS. TNJ then went to build a 5-string guitar which he presented to Richards in preparation for the Jan 18 1973 concert. This guitar was used by Richards on the 73 tour. Richards didn't play a TNJ guitar until 1979, where he used a LP shaped guitar on JJF. TNJ worked as a guitar tech for the Stones until the '78 tour.

Mathijs

Many thanks indeed.

I'm very happy to take your word on this one, especially taking into account the contrasting articles that I've read so far on TNJ.

Mainman

I often wondered, - did anyone hear from Newman-Jones again after the late 70's?
Still alive? What is he doing?

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It is a fact that TNJ met up with Keith in 1969.

OK, if it is a fact then please provide the details of this meeting. You have thus far not provided any substantiation to the claim you make here, which is in sharp contradiction to what myself and many others here know, or perhaps assume is a better word, to be true. Namely, that Keith was using the open G tuning before he met Newman-Jones and managed to get a great sound out of it. Please provide the source(s) for the statements you have touted as 'fact'



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