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well, its only the writer's personal speculation, but it's reasonably logical.

As I said in the other thread, solo projects from auxiliary musicians wouldnt have ANY affect on the Stones' plans as a band.

Besides, their input on the band's LAST album was almost non-existent, so there's a precedent there.

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No surprises there really, the article fits in with what you might yourself conclude from simply digesting everything else you hear/see. As it says, an album in 2011 possibly, but a tour unlikely ... much more likely in 2012, if at all.

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Sounds reasonable. Though current tours have them starting in the U.S. in the fall. There's still time. If there is nothing until 2012, I wouldn't be surprised to see Keith pick up an outside gig or two to get his stage legs back. This is about the longest he's gone without stagework voluntarily. From the end of the '82 European tour until his '88 solo work was the longest I believe.

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"Jones' work on his solo album raises further questions about any new Stones activity in 2011. Based on what Richards and Wood have said in their most recent interviews, the Rolling Stones had a band summit scheduled in December 2010, to discuss their future plans. Rolling Stones drummer Watts is launching a spring 2011 tour with his jazz band the A, B, C & D of Boogie Woogie, so it has become obvious that the Stones do not have work commitments during this time that would conflict with the band members pursuing other projects.

Although it may still be possible for the Stones to release an album of new material in 2011, no Rolling Stones concert dates have been booked for 2011 as of now. Industry insiders are speculating that the Stones may wait until 2012 to tour, since that year will be the 50th anniversary of when the Stones became a band. Until then, it looks like the first half 2011 will not be the time when the Stones will be getting ready for a tour."

prolonging the inevitable..........................the announcement of the end.


IORR............but I like it!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-01-21 18:54 by sweet neo con.

As Gazza says, its logical, it does seem to be the way its going though with everyone doing their own thing at the moment, but who knows, there is still time and they could put an album together this year then , well, as i said, who knows for sure. I suppose we can just keep speculating.

Someone (I cant remember who) made a very logical statement on here a week or two ago by saying that as they marked their 40th anniversary in 2002 with a tour that STARTED in 2002 and ran into 2003, it follows that it would make more sense to start a 50th anniversary tour in 2012, instead of finishing it at that time.

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Someone (I cant remember who) made a very logical statement on here a week or two ago by saying that as they marked their 40th anniversary in 2002 with a tour that STARTED in 2002 and ran into 2003, it follows that it would make more sense to start a 50th anniversary tour in 2012, instead of finishing it at that time.

Perfectly logical, makes sense. Whatever will be will be.

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Someone (I cant remember who) made a very logical statement on here a week or two ago by saying that as they marked their 40th anniversary in 2002 with a tour that STARTED in 2002 and ran into 2003, it follows that it would make more sense to start a 50th anniversary tour in 2012, instead of finishing it at that time.

We're talking about 70 year old men here as opposed to almost 60 somethings in '02. The longer they wait the less likely ANYTHING will be to happen. Of course I want to see them again (and again) but I'm guessing at least some of them won't have their hearts in it.

If they advertise a "Fiftieth Anniversary" tour, they would almost have to start next year.

Imagine, God forbid, starting the tour a year earlier and something happens.

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Someone (I cant remember who) made a very logical statement on here a week or two ago by saying that as they marked their 40th anniversary in 2002 with a tour that STARTED in 2002 and ran into 2003, it follows that it would make more sense to start a 50th anniversary tour in 2012, instead of finishing it at that time.

We're talking about 70 year old men here as opposed to almost 60 somethings in '02. The longer they wait the less likely ANYTHING will be to happen. Of course I want to see them again (and again) but I'm guessing at least some of them won't have their hearts in it.

<<< I'm guessing at least some of them won't have their hearts in it >>>

Fair point, that's a distinct possibility of course.

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We're talking about 70 year old men here as opposed to almost 60 somethings in '02. The longer they wait the less likely ANYTHING will be to happen.

That's very true.

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Someone (I cant remember who) made a very logical statement on here a week or two ago by saying that as they marked their 40th anniversary in 2002 with a tour that STARTED in 2002 and ran into 2003, it follows that it would make more sense to start a 50th anniversary tour in 2012, instead of finishing it at that time.

We're talking about 70 year old men here as opposed to almost 60 somethings in '02. The longer they wait the less likely ANYTHING will be to happen. Of course I want to see them again (and again) but I'm guessing at least some of them won't have their hearts in it.

Agree 100%

i agree--completely--gazza

looks like Jagger does not want to.
and, like Gazza wrote, who can blame then.
I think,
they will have a few concerts in 2012 and then say Bye Bye Baby.
a shame, but understandable
bye jeroen

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Darryl Jones, who has been the bass player for the Rolling Stones since 1993, is working on his first solo album. In an exclusive interview with Examiner.com's Phyllis Pollack, Jones says that he hopes the album will be out by the summer of 2011.

In the interview, Jones also reveals that Rolling Stones backup singer Lisa Fischer will be on his still-untitled solo album, and that fellow Rolling Stones backup singers Blondie Chaplin and Bernard Fowler may also contribute. Jones says that another artist on the album will be Charley Drayton, who played percussion on the Rolling Stones' 1986 "Dirty Work" abum and who recorded and toured with the X-Pensive Winos, the side band of Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards.

When asked what his solo album will sound like, Jones replied: "I mean, it’s stylistically the music of my childhood basically. I grew up listening to James Brown, Sly Stone, Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, the Stones, Miles Davis, and there are some elements of all of those things. Curtis Mayfield. It’s the music that was a great era of music, the '60s and the '70s, so really it is influenced by all of the music of that time.

"I’m doing a lot of it. There are a lot of musicians on it. Lisa Fischer’s on the record, and hopefully Blondie [Chaplin] and Bernard [Fowler] will be on the record, Jeff Watts, Nino Cinelu will be on the record, just a lot of you know, a very diverse group of musicians. Charley Drayton’s on the record."

Jones took over for former Rolling Stones bass player Bill Wyman, who retired from the Rolling Stones in 1992, after 30 years of being in the band. Jones' status in the Rolling Stones is that of a salaried backup/touring musician, the status that guitarist Ronnie Wood had for several years after he joined the Stones in the mid-1970s, until Wood was made a full-fledged partner in the band in 1990.

Unlike Wood, Jones has not been part of the Rolling Stones' official group photos that appear on their merchandise, publicity materials or album covers. The only members of the band who have been in these official group photos since Wyman's departure are lead singer Mick Jagger, guitarists Wood and Richards and drummer Charlie Watts.

Before landing the highly coveted gig as the Rolling Stones' bass player, Jones worked with several other award-winning artists, including Herbie Hancock, Cher, Madonna, Sting, Miles Davis, Eric Clapton and Peter Gabriel.

Jones' work on his solo album raises further questions about any new Stones activity in 2011. Based on what Richards and Wood have said in their most recent interviews, the Rolling Stones had a band summit scheduled in December 2010, to discuss their future plans. Rolling Stones drummer Watts is launching a spring 2011 tour with his jazz band the A, B, C & D of Boogie Woogie, so it has become obvious that the Stones do not have work commitments during this time that would conflict with the band members pursuing other projects.

Although it may still be possible for the Stones to release an album of new material in 2011, no Rolling Stones concert dates have been booked for 2011 as of now. Industry insiders are speculating that the Stones may wait until 2012 to tour, since that year will be the 50th anniversary of when the Stones became a band. Until then, it looks like the first half 2011 will not be the time when the Stones will be getting ready for a tour.

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Jones' status in the Rolling Stones is that of a salaried backup/touring musician, the status that guitarist Ronnie Wood had for several years after he joined the Stones in the mid-1970s, until Wood was made a full-fledged partner in the band in 1990.

Side question: What is the story behind it, I mean, how did it work or what was the procedure to make Ronnie a full-fledged member of the band?

I mean, I know that for decades he was referred to as "the new one". But I don't recall any report how it worked to make him an "official" Stone.

Could anybody highlight me on this, please?

Ronnie was reported only yesterday as saying "maybe next year", which is nothing if not vague.

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'Undone deal'......

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Darryl Jones, who has been the bass player for the Rolling Stones since 1993, is working on his first solo album. In an exclusive interview with Examiner.com's Phyllis Pollack, Jones says that he hopes the album will be out by the summer of 2011.

In the interview, Jones also reveals that Rolling Stones backup singer Lisa Fischer will be on his still-untitled solo album, and that fellow Rolling Stones backup singers Blondie Chaplin and Bernard Fowler may also contribute. Jones says that another artist on the album will be Charley Drayton, who played percussion on the Rolling Stones' 1986 "Dirty Work" abum and who recorded and toured with the X-Pensive Winos, the side band of Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards.

When asked what his solo album will sound like, Jones replied: "I mean, it’s stylistically the music of my childhood basically. I grew up listening to James Brown, Sly Stone, Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, the Stones, Miles Davis, and there are some elements of all of those things. Curtis Mayfield. It’s the music that was a great era of music, the '60s and the '70s, so really it is influenced by all of the music of that time.

"I’m doing a lot of it. There are a lot of musicians on it. Lisa Fischer’s on the record, and hopefully Blondie [Chaplin] and Bernard [Fowler] will be on the record, Jeff Watts, Nino Cinelu will be on the record, just a lot of you know, a very diverse group of musicians. Charley Drayton’s on the record."

Jones took over for former Rolling Stones bass player Bill Wyman, who retired from the Rolling Stones in 1992, after 30 years of being in the band. Jones' status in the Rolling Stones is that of a salaried backup/touring musician, the status that guitarist Ronnie Wood had for several years after he joined the Stones in the mid-1970s, until Wood was made a full-fledged partner in the band in 1990.

Unlike Wood, Jones has not been part of the Rolling Stones' official group photos that appear on their merchandise, publicity materials or album covers. The only members of the band who have been in these official group photos since Wyman's departure are lead singer Mick Jagger, guitarists Wood and Richards and drummer Charlie Watts.

Before landing the highly coveted gig as the Rolling Stones' bass player, Jones worked with several other award-winning artists, including Herbie Hancock, Cher, Madonna, Sting, Miles Davis, Eric Clapton and Peter Gabriel.

Jones' work on his solo album raises further questions about any new Stones activity in 2011. Based on what Richards and Wood have said in their most recent interviews, the Rolling Stones had a band summit scheduled in December 2010, to discuss their future plans. Rolling Stones drummer Watts is launching a spring 2011 tour with his jazz band the A, B, C & D of Boogie Woogie, so it has become obvious that the Stones do not have work commitments during this time that would conflict with the band members pursuing other projects.

Although it may still be possible for the Stones to release an album of new material in 2011, no Rolling Stones concert dates have been booked for 2011 as of now. Industry insiders are speculating that the Stones may wait until 2012 to tour, since that year will be the 50th anniversary of when the Stones became a band. Until then, it looks like the first half 2011 will not be the time when the Stones will be getting ready for a tour.

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Jones' status in the Rolling Stones is that of a salaried backup/touring musician, the status that guitarist Ronnie Wood had for several years after he joined the Stones in the mid-1970s, until Wood was made a full-fledged partner in the band in 1990.

Side question: What is the story behind it, I mean, how did it work or what was the procedure to make Ronnie a full-fledged member of the band?

I mean, I know that for decades he was referred to as "the new one". But I don't recall any report how it worked to make him an "official" Stone.

Could anybody highlight me on this, please?

I seem to remember that Bill had helped Ronnie get a full share,but can't remember the details,due to my age and sleepless nights worrying about the will they/won't they tour question .Gazza ?

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Bill was instrumental in getting Ronnie made a full member. Unfortunately it coincided with Bill's own departure from the band.

Ronnie became a full member when they signed the deal with Virgin in the early 90s - which Bill didnt sign as he was on the point of leaving the band.

In a sense, you could argue that Ronnie replaced Bill. Ronnie was a salaried employee from 1976 until that time. I think he was given the choice and opted for a long-term salary, presumably under the impression it would outlast the lifetime of the band.

The 'shareholders' (for want of a better term) side of things is a bit more complex, though. I think some other folks have a more in-depth analysis of how that works, but thats basically still just Mick, Keith and Charlie.

ronnie replaced bill in several ways now that i think about it...chasin' young females....i suppose he'll be out there with a metal detector 'fore you know it...rock on, ronnie...

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Someone (I cant remember who) made a very logical statement on here a week or two ago by saying that as they marked their 40th anniversary in 2002 with a tour that STARTED in 2002 and ran into 2003, it follows that it would make more sense to start a 50th anniversary tour in 2012, instead of finishing it at that time.

We're talking about 70 year old men here as opposed to almost 60 somethings in '02. The longer they wait the less likely ANYTHING will be to happen. Of course I want to see them again (and again) but I'm guessing at least some of them won't have their hearts in it.

Yes it is all logical except the 70 years of age thing. It's logic vs. not buying 'green bananas' when you reach a certain age because you never know when your off to Big Gig in the Sky.

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'Undone deal'......

Where is Meekscary anyway?

"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"

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Bill was instrumental in getting Ronnie made a full member. Unfortunately it coincided with Bill's own departure from the band.

So, we traded Bill for Ronnie? Gee, thanks Bill.

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If they advertise a "Fiftieth Anniversary" tour, they would almost have to start next year.

Imagine, God forbid, starting the tour a year earlier and something happens.

Since 2011 is their 50th year as a band they could use the magical number 50 this year, however, if they are targeting their 50th anniversary year (2012) they would of course need to wait until next year.

When they toured for 40 Licks they actually didn't get started until August of 2002 which of course was during their 40th anniversary year. If they follow that same model for the next tour we won't see them until sometime in 2012.

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Someone (I cant remember who) made a very logical statement on here a week or two ago by saying that as they marked their 40th anniversary in 2002 with a tour that STARTED in 2002 and ran into 2003, it follows that it would make more sense to start a 50th anniversary tour in 2012, instead of finishing it at that time.

We're talking about 70 year old men here as opposed to almost 60 somethings in '02. The longer they wait the less likely ANYTHING will be to happen. Of course I want to see them again (and again) but I'm guessing at least some of them won't have their hearts in it.

Yes it is all logical except the 70 years of age thing. It's logic vs. not buying 'green bananas' when you reach a certain age because you never know when your off to Big Gig in the Sky.

Tomorrow is promised to no one, not even the mighty Rolling Stones. Thought for sure Jack LaLanne would easily see 100 and then some.

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Ronnie became a full member when they signed the deal with Virgin in the early 90s - which Bill didnt sign as he was on the point of leaving the band.

In a sense, you could argue that Ronnie replaced Bill. Ronnie was a salaried employee from 1976 until that time. I think he was given the choice and opted for a long-term salary, presumably under the impression it would outlast the lifetime of the band.

The 'shareholders' (for want of a better term) side of things is a bit more complex, though. I think some other folks have a more in-depth analysis of how that works, but thats basically still just Mick, Keith and Charlie.

I'd previously bookmarked a thread from a couple of years ago which gives some good insight into all of this :

[www.iorr.org]

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'Undone deal'......

Where is Meekscary anyway?

Wow. So happy I am so imporant to you and ALWAYS "top of mind".

Tour = done deal

Longer they wait, more difficult it will be to come back. If they come back in 2012, it will mostly not be a longer tour.
Jagger almost 70 will have bigger limits singing and runnig - and with about this he will not tour (mostly a few farwell / 50'th anniversary conserts in bigger cities).