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OT:FINAL WORD on Blu-Ray DVD's - are they that great? Big Improvement?
Posted by: CrissCrossMind ()
Date: November 28, 2010 20:54

I noticed Best Buy has a top rated Sony Blu-Ray DVD player for $99 (on sale, almost half price) Amazon is selling Blu-Ray DVD's Like Kubrick's "DR. STRANGELOVE", "2001", "CLOCKWORK ORANGE", and "EYE'S WIDE SHUT" for under $10 each. Oliver Stone's "NATURAL BORN KILLERS" for $9 or $8 ...... Well, I figure if I'm gonna get a Blu-Ray player now is the time. I have a Best Buy card were I can pay everything back interest free within 18 months - they're almost giving this stuff away !!

So, here's the questions - Is Blu-Ray really worth it (a much better picture than a standard DVD?) I have a 73" Big Screen so quality of pic is Very noticeable. Is the sound much better than Dolby 5.1 surround or DTS surround that the standard DVD's carry ?

I also want to get The Stones - "SHINE A LIGHT" in Blu-Ray since the film's really grown on me - watch it a lot (also wanna get GIMME SHELTER on Blu-Ray). So tell me what you think, your personal opinion/experience with BR. Is it worth it? Quality THAT much better? Thanks in Advance - all comments appreciated, Le Mind

Re: OT:FINAL WORD on Blu-Ray DVD's - are they that great? Big Improvement?
Posted by: JumpingKentFlash ()
Date: November 28, 2010 21:14

It's certainly an improvement if you have the right TV for it.

JumpingKentFlash

Re: OT:FINAL WORD on Blu-Ray DVD's - are they that great? Big Improvement?
Posted by: skipstone ()
Date: November 28, 2010 21:38

DVDs are going to be phased out so it won't matter if you like Blu-rays or not. Supposedly they hold a shit ton more of info but there has not been any use of that commercially - they still spread shit out over 2 discs when it could really all fit on one.

Also, from what I understand, there is capability or potential to have an entire catalogue worth of music on one disc, whatever that means. A lot of music can fit on one disc. They hold anywhere from 25GB to 50GB but recently some have ben made to hold up to 500GB. I don't know how that translates to music in terms of the Stones entire catalogue (LP tracks, single edits, various single mixes, all non-LP and live B-sides and of course remixes).

Anything along those lines for any music artist has yet to happen. So who knows. Maybe in two more years even Blu-ray will be obsolete because everything will just be streaming or a goddamn download.

Re: OT:FINAL WORD on Blu-Ray DVD's - are they that great? Big Improvement?
Posted by: CrissCrossMind ()
Date: November 28, 2010 23:41

Thanks Kent and skipstone, guess I should go for it... it's only money -lol (maybe col, crying out loud)

Re: OT:FINAL WORD on Blu-Ray DVD's - are they that great? Big Improvement?
Posted by: schillid ()
Date: November 29, 2010 04:34

Big picture improvement with Blu-Ray. It's the only format that displays true HD video.

BTW, Sony's PlayStation3 has a built-in Blu-Ray player... So the PS3 is a good choice if you are considering getting a both Bluray player and a video game console for the kids. PS3 can also connect to Netflix using Wifi to watch movies.

Re: OT:FINAL WORD on Blu-Ray DVD's - are they that great? Big Improvement?
Posted by: NICOS ()
Date: November 29, 2010 04:41

PS3 is indeed a good choice...........except for the shitty (fan) sound it makes and I still try to figure out how I can make it part of my home network

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Re: OT:FINAL WORD on Blu-Ray DVD's - are they that great? Big Improvement?
Posted by: CrissCrossMind ()
Date: November 29, 2010 05:34

Thanks Schillid and NICOS. Yeah, broke down and the little woman is out picking one up at Best Buy as I write this (along with "Shine a Light" and "2001" in blu-ray). These sales just suck me in like a giant vacuum cleaner (but today it's all about saving cash so what better time...). You should check out the specials on Amazon. they have some great movies starting at about $6 (and not over $10) Deal of the century !!! Thanks for the advice, Le Mind

Re: OT:FINAL WORD on Blu-Ray DVD's - are they that great? Big Improvement?
Posted by: JumpingKentFlash ()
Date: November 29, 2010 06:33

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NICOS
PS3 is indeed a good choice...........except for the shitty (fan) sound it makes and I still try to figure out how I can make it part of my home network

I had trouble with that too, but I found out. You want some help?



BTW: Netflix is only for the US market I think. The European branch of the PlayStation Network has something called MUBI instead. It was a part of the system update two weeks ago, and I've looked around on it. Mostly it's European movies, and it seems like quite a few movies I'd never see. There's some features on the PS3 that I never use, but the BluRay player and the great PS3 games certainly make up for it. I play games on it mostly, but it's also my CD plyer, my DVD player and my BluRay player.


Any of you on the PSN? I'm JumpingKentFlash there too. I play games like FIFA 11, Red Dead Redemption, Grand Theft Auto 4 (+ The Lost & Damned and The Ballad Of Gay Tony expansion packs), Metal Gear Solid 4 and Motorstorm. Add me if you wanna get yer ass whooped. smiling smiley

JumpingKentFlash

Re: OT:FINAL WORD on Blu-Ray DVD's - are they that great? Big Improvement?
Posted by: Braincapers ()
Date: November 29, 2010 10:02

Which (the consumer magazine/website) had an article on Blu-ray discs. They looked at 18 discs, 10 were better than the DVD and 8 had marginal improvement or no difference.Even the ones which didn’t “offer a significant improvement over their DVD equivalents...tended to look superior”


Blu-ray version looks like a different film.
• Avatar
• Casino Royale
• From Russia with Love
• The Wizard of Oz
• Zulu

Which? found that new-release films - Avatar and Casino Royale (released in 2010 and 2006 respectively) - looked fantastic, and far superior to their DVD equivalents. Casino Royale was bursting with detail, depth and solid, bold colours. Avatar boasted, ‘extraordinarily good detail and depth, that really does show HD off at its best,’ according to our viewing panel.

As both movies were produced after the launch of the Blu-ray format, the high-definition results came as no surprise. Yet the stunning standard was matched by a handful of old classics. Zulu (1963), From Russia with Love (1964) and The Wizard of Oz (1939) looked stunning, full of sparkle, detail and colour.

Movies showing a significant improvement on Blu-ray

• Gandhi
• Grease
• The Matrix
• Terminator 2

Four of the movies we watched were significantly better than the DVD versions. However, none had the sparkle of the first group and the huge step-up in quality was more to do with the disappointing quality of the DVD rather than exceptional Blu-ray quality.

Blu-ray Grease (1976) was a big improvement over the weak and insipid DVD version. Likewise, the extra detail of Gandhi (1984) on Blu-ray put the soft, low-resolution DVD version to shame. Terminator 2 (1991) and a particularly muted Matrix (1999) were grainy on DVD, but solid and detailed on Blu-ray. However, none of the Blu-rays had the sparkle of the best high definition discs.

Marginal improvement or no difference

• Matrix Reloaded
• Die Hard
• North by Northwest
• Gangs of New York
• Master and Commander
• The Untouchables
• The Graduate
• Ghostbusters

A significant proportion of the Blu-ray discs on test failed to offer a significant improvement over their DVD equivalents, even though they tended to look superior. In some cases this was thanks to the high-quality picture of the DVD itself. Master and Commander (2003) and The Untouchables (1987) Blu-ray discs looked superior but were only ‘slightly sharper' and not deemed to be a 'significant improvement' or as good as the discs rated outstanding. Matrix Reloaded (2003) looked great on DVD, but the Blu-ray offered ‘no significant improvement’ over the standard definition version. Likewise, Gangs of New York (2002) was good on DVD, but apart from having a slightly sharper image, looked very similar on Blu-ray.

But the marginal step-up in quality wasn’t always due to top-notch DVD performance. Some Blu-ray movies failed to make an impression even when the DVD version was below-par. The DVD version of Hitchcock classic North by Northwest (1959) was detailed, if a little flat. The colour on the Blu-ray version had been ramped up, but resolution didn’t appear to have improved and some of the detail was actually ‘crushed’ by the deeper colours.

Smeary, inaccurate colours and grainy picture noise made the Die Hard (1988) DVD look awful. Bolder colours and sharper, more natural images make Blu-ray look better, but only as good as a decent standard DVD should look and a long way off the best high-definition discs.

At the bottom of the pile was Ghostbusters (1984). The supernatural classic failed to impress on either DVD or Blu-ray. The DVD version was dull and lacked detail but the Blu-ray disc wasn’t much better. Colour was exaggerated and the strong whites actually wiped out some detail (on the New York skyline for instance). The resolution wasn’t much better than DVD and the level of grainy ‘picture noise’ way too high for a full HD disc.

According to our experts The Graduate (1967) ‘doesn’t offer any picture quality improvement over DVD’. Just like Ghostbusters, the colour saturated the high-definition image and levels of detail were nowhere near the levels they should have been.

Re: OT:FINAL WORD on Blu-Ray DVD's - are they that great? Big Improvement?
Posted by: frankotero ()
Date: November 29, 2010 11:43

I'm floored by the quality of video. Don't notice much improvement in audio, then again my hearing is not very good these days.

Re: OT:FINAL WORD on Blu-Ray DVD's - are they that great? Big Improvement?
Posted by: NICOS ()
Date: November 29, 2010 12:02

Quote
JumpingKentFlash
Quote
NICOS
PS3 is indeed a good choice...........except for the shitty (fan) sound it makes and I still try to figure out how I can make it part of my home network

I had trouble with that too, but I found out. You want some help?


If you could help I would be very happy...thanks

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Re: OT:FINAL WORD on Blu-Ray DVD's - are they that great? Big Improvement?
Posted by: The GR ()
Date: November 29, 2010 12:26

I heard they used a new process for Predator (1987) which resulted in the Blu version being inferior, the faces looked like wax works. I believe the same process was used on Aliens but overseen by Jim Cameron which gave a superior version on Blu compared to the DVD.

I guess it's down to the age of the film and who upgrades. Companies who specialise (like Anchor Bay) probably take more care.

I think the reasons Blu hasn't made DVD obselete is it's back compatible for DVDs, some DVD players are now 1080 and the recession cut sales.

Re: OT:FINAL WORD on Blu-Ray DVD's - are they that great? Big Improvement?
Posted by: shadooby ()
Date: November 29, 2010 23:55

Get a PS3 and a good router and you'll never want to leave home.

Re: OT:FINAL WORD on Blu-Ray DVD's - are they that great? Big Improvement?
Posted by: NICOS ()
Date: November 30, 2010 02:51

Quote
shadooby
Get a PS3 and a good router and you'll never want to leave home.

shadoob, you mean with a good router you can access your PS3 from your home computer?

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Re: OT:FINAL WORD on Blu-Ray DVD's - are they that great? Big Improvement?
Posted by: Doc ()
Date: November 30, 2010 07:52

I made a comparison between the original Stones At the Max DVD release and the recent Bluray, with screenshots.
You can find it here :
http://doctorstonesblog.blogspot.com/2010/04/zoom-sur-rolling-stones-live-at-max.html

[doctorstonesblog.blogspot.com]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-11-30 07:53 by Doc.

Re: OT:FINAL WORD on Blu-Ray DVD's - are they that great? Big Improvement?
Posted by: shadooby ()
Date: November 30, 2010 13:06

Quote
NICOS
Quote
shadooby
Get a PS3 and a good router and you'll never want to leave home.

shadoob, you mean with a good router you can access your PS3 from your home computer?

Yes, and even surf the net thru the ps3. My kids love it because they can play their sports games with current updated rosters.

Re: OT:FINAL WORD on Blu-Ray DVD's - are they that great? Big Improvement?
Posted by: CrissCrossMind ()
Date: November 30, 2010 14:25

Thanks everybody !!! And thanks Braincapers for the list of movies and their "new" levels of quality when it comes to their transfer to Blu-ray. It's interesting that you mentioned "Wizard of Oz" as being great looking because that's the one film I've been hearing/reading about A LOT (as far as looking FANTASTIC in Blu-ray) I'm really holding back on buying new discs but I do believe Amazon has the "Wizard of OZ" on Blu-ray for under $10 (so that one I can handle). Once again thanks to everyone for taking the time !! Much appreciated, Le Mind

Re: OT:FINAL WORD on Blu-Ray DVD's - are they that great? Big Improvement?
Posted by: Braincapers ()
Date: November 30, 2010 15:23

Quote
CrissCrossMind
Thanks everybody !!! And thanks Braincapers for the list of movies and their "new" levels of quality when it comes to their transfer to Blu-ray. It's interesting that you mentioned "Wizard of Oz" as being great looking because that's the one film I've been hearing/reading about A LOT (as far as looking FANTASTIC in Blu-ray) I'm really holding back on buying new discs but I do believe Amazon has the "Wizard of OZ" on Blu-ray for under $10 (so that one I can handle). Once again thanks to everyone for taking the time !! Much appreciated, Le Mind

I've read good reviews of OZ too. As for Predator the problem was DNR vs grain. Some people like lots of noise reduction and some don't. Predator had lots and made the picture look waxy in places.

Re: OT:FINAL WORD on Blu-Ray DVD's - are they that great? Big Improvement?
Posted by: Silver Dagger ()
Date: November 30, 2010 15:36

Quote
Braincapers
Which (the consumer magazine/website) had an article on Blu-ray discs. They looked at 18 discs, 10 were better than the DVD and 8 had marginal improvement or no difference.Even the ones which didn’t “offer a significant improvement over their DVD equivalents...tended to look superior”


Blu-ray version looks like a different film.
• Avatar
• Casino Royale
• From Russia with Love
• The Wizard of Oz
• Zulu

Which? found that new-release films - Avatar and Casino Royale (released in 2010 and 2006 respectively) - looked fantastic, and far superior to their DVD equivalents. Casino Royale was bursting with detail, depth and solid, bold colours. Avatar boasted, ‘extraordinarily good detail and depth, that really does show HD off at its best,’ according to our viewing panel.

As both movies were produced after the launch of the Blu-ray format, the high-definition results came as no surprise. Yet the stunning standard was matched by a handful of old classics. Zulu (1963), From Russia with Love (1964) and The Wizard of Oz (1939) looked stunning, full of sparkle, detail and colour.

Movies showing a significant improvement on Blu-ray

• Gandhi
• Grease
• The Matrix
• Terminator 2

Four of the movies we watched were significantly better than the DVD versions. However, none had the sparkle of the first group and the huge step-up in quality was more to do with the disappointing quality of the DVD rather than exceptional Blu-ray quality.

Blu-ray Grease (1976) was a big improvement over the weak and insipid DVD version. Likewise, the extra detail of Gandhi (1984) on Blu-ray put the soft, low-resolution DVD version to shame. Terminator 2 (1991) and a particularly muted Matrix (1999) were grainy on DVD, but solid and detailed on Blu-ray. However, none of the Blu-rays had the sparkle of the best high definition discs.

Marginal improvement or no difference

• Matrix Reloaded
• Die Hard
• North by Northwest
• Gangs of New York
• Master and Commander
• The Untouchables
• The Graduate
• Ghostbusters

A significant proportion of the Blu-ray discs on test failed to offer a significant improvement over their DVD equivalents, even though they tended to look superior. In some cases this was thanks to the high-quality picture of the DVD itself. Master and Commander (2003) and The Untouchables (1987) Blu-ray discs looked superior but were only ‘slightly sharper' and not deemed to be a 'significant improvement' or as good as the discs rated outstanding. Matrix Reloaded (2003) looked great on DVD, but the Blu-ray offered ‘no significant improvement’ over the standard definition version. Likewise, Gangs of New York (2002) was good on DVD, but apart from having a slightly sharper image, looked very similar on Blu-ray.

But the marginal step-up in quality wasn’t always due to top-notch DVD performance. Some Blu-ray movies failed to make an impression even when the DVD version was below-par. The DVD version of Hitchcock classic North by Northwest (1959) was detailed, if a little flat. The colour on the Blu-ray version had been ramped up, but resolution didn’t appear to have improved and some of the detail was actually ‘crushed’ by the deeper colours.

Smeary, inaccurate colours and grainy picture noise made the Die Hard (1988) DVD look awful. Bolder colours and sharper, more natural images make Blu-ray look better, but only as good as a decent standard DVD should look and a long way off the best high-definition discs.

At the bottom of the pile was Ghostbusters (1984). The supernatural classic failed to impress on either DVD or Blu-ray. The DVD version was dull and lacked detail but the Blu-ray disc wasn’t much better. Colour was exaggerated and the strong whites actually wiped out some detail (on the New York skyline for instance). The resolution wasn’t much better than DVD and the level of grainy ‘picture noise’ way too high for a full HD disc.

According to our experts The Graduate (1967) ‘doesn’t offer any picture quality improvement over DVD’. Just like Ghostbusters, the colour saturated the high-definition image and levels of detail were nowhere near the levels they should have been.

An excellent post Braincapers. Gives me the justification - when my wife asks me - why I spend too much time on this site.

Re: OT:FINAL WORD on Blu-Ray DVD's - are they that great? Big Improvement?
Posted by: Braincapers ()
Date: November 30, 2010 18:09

I must be clear, everything from "Blu-ray version looks like a different film" was taken from the Which website. I can't claim it as my own.

Re: OT:FINAL WORD on Blu-Ray DVD's - are they that great? Big Improvement?
Posted by: skipstone ()
Date: November 30, 2010 18:20

Blu-rays haven't made DVDs obsolete YET. They will. It's what the industry is moving to. That's been the talk for the past year or so that I've read. Based on what I've read it's the better (the best?) of the formats.

Re: OT:FINAL WORD on Blu-Ray DVD's - are they that great? Big Improvement?
Posted by: sweet neo con ()
Date: November 30, 2010 18:49

Quote
CrissCrossMind
These sales just suck me in like a giant vacuum cleaner....

Me too. I saw that sale and was about to pull the trigger on it when
I decided to save another $100 by NOT buying it. I had convinced myself that
my current set-up was more than adequate. But now you've got me re-thinking it.
Afterall it's only $100...right? Let me know if you're happy with your purchase.

Now I can rationalize using one of my dvd players for my daughter's playroom.
(Blu-Rays play both DVD & BR disks right?)

Also saw the $90 2TB Seagate Ext Hard-drive. $60 less than what I paid for the
same thing 2 weeks ago. Almost convinced myself that i need another one but I already
have a total of 4TB.

Originally thought these were only "black friday" doorbusters....didn't know they'd continue all week.

Drove by my Best Buy (11/24) and saw someone setting up a tent to get the doorbuster deals at 5am or whatever!
It's 25 degrees here! And you can get the same deals online with free shipping without risking hypothermia.


IORR............but I like it!

Re: OT:FINAL WORD on Blu-Ray DVD's - are they that great? Big Improvement?
Date: December 1, 2010 18:32

Blu-ray DVD's ??? I don't know why people keep using this term. It's Blu-ray Disc or just Blu-ray.

.... Nobody says DVD Video CD's.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-12-01 18:39 by Winning Ugly VXII.

Re: OT:FINAL WORD on Blu-Ray DVD's - are they that great? Big Improvement?
Date: December 1, 2010 18:38

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frankotero
I'm floored by the quality of video. Don't notice much improvement in audio, then again my hearing is not very good these days.

For one thing,your audio system has to be set up to be able to process lossless Dolby True HD and DTS HD Master Audio soundtracks. The sound on DVD's is compressed. The sound on most Blu-ray discs is uncompressed.

Re: OT:FINAL WORD on Blu-Ray DVD's - are they that great? Big Improvement?
Posted by: Mr.D ()
Date: December 1, 2010 19:07

I've got a four year old Sony home theater surroundsound system and the sound on most blu-rays is spectacular! The new Toy Story 3 should be given away with every new player as a demo disc...of course, the BEST blu-ray video/audio experience is still the BBC's Planet Earth.
I go to this website:[www.highdefdigest.com] to pick out which ones to order from Netflix then I copy them with BD Rebuilder.
Now I'm trying to resist the temptation to go buy a 3D home theater!smiling smiley

Re: OT:FINAL WORD on Blu-Ray DVD's - are they that great? Big Improvement?
Posted by: CrissCrossMind ()
Date: December 1, 2010 23:42

Yeah, BBC PLANET EARTH is excellent !! (and I only have the regular DVD on that one. Still looks great - blu-ray must be AMAZING !!)



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