I suppose the majority of Stones songs (and all rock songs) are 4/4 ...
Four beats per bar ...

Which songs are in other rhythms? If I recall, part of Continental Drift is 7/4. Others?

I was watching "2001 A Space Odyssey" with Blue Danube by Strauss (a waltz)... got me wondering.

Dear Doctor... 3/4

Ain't Heart Of Stone in something else than 4/4?

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count them off silently to yourselves, please....it's quiet time here....

I've mentioned this once before, but 2000 Man is really interesting. The song is really in 4/4, but Charlie's beat during the verse is a 3/4 waltz-like rhythm. Check it out. It's really creative and I totally love it.

Agreed about 2000 Man. Charlie's drumming is really special and it makes the song perfect.

This has been a subject before. Here is what I have written then. Remember that 2,000 Man is a complicated matter; understand that a 3/4 as a shuffle is actually a 6/8.

Looking them up in my songbooks: Only band compositions considered; in order of release:
Heart Of Stone 12/8
Long Long While 12/8
Back Street Girl 3/4
She Smiled Sweetly 6/8
Dear Doctor 3/4
Midnight Rambler 12/8
You Got The Silver 12/8
I Got The Blues 12/8
Loving Cup (chorus in 5/4)
Wasting Time 12/8
Melody 12/8
No Use In Crying 12/8
Winning Ugly 12/8

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This has been a subject before. Here is what I have written then. Remember that 2,000 Man is a complicated matter; understand that a 3/4 as a shuffle is actually a 6/8.

sorry, but my math teacher gets mad when i don't reduce this back down to 3/4....

Heh... I suppose you're right JJHMick... and sadly, Tod, I am a math teacher!! And a drummer. Double whammy. D'oh!!!

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Heh... I suppose you're right JJHMick... and sadly, Tod, I am a math teacher!! And a drummer. Double whammy. D'oh!!!

sadly? cos the pay sucks or something?

Love In Vain is in 6/8

I say "sadly" not because teaching math sucks, but rather, I might suck at teaching math...

OK, so I can hear the 6/8 in LIV, but doesn't that mean the drum beat in 2000 man is then 3/4, like a waltz? Waltz's are 3/4, right? If you count out the rhythm in LIV, it's a traditional 1-2-3,4-5-6, 1-2-3,4-5-6 whereas the beat in 2000 man is only 3 beats in as much time, bass, bass, snare, bass, bass, snare, until the verse is over (and he switches back to 4/4).

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Loving Cup (chorus in 5/4)

I never realized that one especially. I find it interesting that you can hum it to yourself you get the count correctly...
Question... Can you also say that the verses through the chorus is all 4/4. Then they just shorten the last bar to 2/4?

Beatles' All You Need Is Love verses are in 7/4 I believe
Thanks all.

Isn't Backstreet Girl a Walz?


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Loving Cup (chorus in 5/4)

I never realized that one especially. I find it interesting that you can hum it to yourself you get the count correctly...
Question... Can you also say that the verses through the chorus is all 4/4. Then they just shorten the last bar to 2/4?

that's what I would say. And there's no 5/4 in the song.

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Loving Cup (chorus in 5/4)

I never realized that one especially. I find it interesting that you can hum it to yourself you get the count correctly...
Question... Can you also say that the verses through the chorus is all 4/4. Then they just shorten the last bar to 2/4?

that's what I would say. And there's no 5/4 in the song.

In order for them to shorten the last bar to 2/4, they need to shorten the preceding bar to 3/4, which they do in strict terms. I think any musician playing it would count it as 5/4 though; or an extra beat.(=rest)

About "All you need is love" being in 7/4; that's one of the things I love about John Lennon; he could toss out a worldwide melody for the globe to hum and make it in 7. he had this knack to use these weird counts and have them come across as feeling natural. Most times you hear a 7 or 9 it feels a bit stilted, even if it's moving
eg. take the "Apocalypse" meter in "Supper's Ready" by Genesis. It moves but a bit spastic. And compare it to John Lennon's bridge in "She Said She Said" which has a lot of emphasis 9's in it but flows right along. (emphasis on 9, not straight bars of 9)



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I say "sadly" not because teaching math sucks, but rather, I might suck at teaching math...

OK, so I can hear the 6/8 in LIV, but doesn't that mean the drum beat in 2000 man is then 3/4, like a waltz? Waltz's are 3/4, right? If you count out the rhythm in LIV, it's a traditional 1-2-3,4-5-6, 1-2-3,4-5-6 whereas the beat in 2000 man is only 3 beats in as much time, bass, bass, snare, bass, bass, snare, until the verse is over (and he switches back to 4/4).

Each waltz is in 3/4. But not each 3/4 is a waltz! I think a waltz in contrast to your example would be "bass, snare-snare / bass, snare-snare".
(Do you get what I mean: The emphasis is on beat one. Whereas bass, bass, snare sounds as if the emphasis is on three?!).
Backsteet Girl has this French feeling which I think is called Muzette. Asking the French on this board: Do you dance a waltz (Austrian dance steps) on your Edith Piaf etc.?

hmmm....i think any song in 3/4 time is by the very definition of it - a WALTZ...that's what a waltz is - a song in 3/4 time...

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hmmm....i think any song in 3/4 time is by the very definition of it - a WALTZ...that's what a waltz is - a song in 3/4 time...

What I mean in addition to that is: You can't dance the typical waltz steps with a partner on any song in 3/4.

ok - well there's a "dance waltz" and a "song waltz"

Wouldn't "Back Street Girl" be more like a 6/8 meter?
Bal Musette is a French dance. There are several types of musette. I think it is traditionally played with accordion.

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This has been a subject before. Here is what I have written then. Remember that 2,000 Man is a complicated matter; understand that a 3/4 as a shuffle is actually a 6/8.

sorry, but my math teacher gets mad when i don't reduce this back down to 3/4....

but in music 6/8 is not the same as 3/4....

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JJHMick
This has been a subject before. Here is what I have written then. Remember that 2,000 Man is a complicated matter; understand that a 3/4 as a shuffle is actually a 6/8.

sorry, but my math teacher gets mad when i don't reduce this back down to 3/4....

but in music 6/8 is not the same as 3/4....

oh, dear. i suppose i should not try to reduce songs from 4/4 time to 1/1 time, then?

Let's become philosophical: In music and in math sometimes the way is more important than the result.
The result: It is in 3/4
The way: I have made it as a muzette (Backstreet Girl. Yes, it has an accordion! Played by Brian! And it has castagnuettes which are Spanish - a pice of Wolrd Music, isn't it?!),I have made it as a country song (Dear Doctor).

heart of stone is 3/4 , a waltch

heart of stone is many things, but a waltch is not one of them...

I used to think lots of songs that had tripplet notes were in 3/4, however I was wrong about that.

MR Im pretty sure doesn't have any 3/4 in it, it just changes tempo.

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hmmm....i think any song in 3/4 time is by the very definition of it - a WALTZ...that's what a waltz is - a song in 3/4 time...

every square is a rectangle, but not every rectangle is a square.

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I used to think lots of songs that had tripplet notes were in 3/4, however I was wrong about that.

MR Im pretty sure doesn't have any 3/4 in it, it just changes tempo.

correct.