i read once that sympathy for the devil is an actual mono mix but the rest of the mono beggars is fold downs is this true ? and as for the other 2 albums, does anyone know if the mono versions are actual mono mixes or fold downs?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-12-13 11:42 by ghostryder13.

beggars and bleed are actual mono mixes. i'm not sure about sf-hope it isnt since I just ordered it!

thanks man, let me know how it sounds when you get it

Don't think SF fingers was ever released in real Mono, as Mono was out when SF was released

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-12-13 22:50 by NICOS.

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Don't think SF fingers was ever reeased in real Mono, as Mono was out in when SF was released

there was a promo version that was mono

Correct. It was an officially released DJ copy(as AM radio still had the lions share of the aud in 71.) But since we have officially released MONO versions of Brown Sugar,Bitch and Sway on 45(were there more?) I have a feeling it is MONO.
Here's something wild for ya. I first heard the ENTIRE"Jamming With Edward" LP on a Ft Worth,Tx AM station. It was a late night show and the stupid DJ preceded it by saying"The Rolling Stones have broke up and Mick Jagger has formed a band with Watts,Wyman,Hopkins and Cooder!" HA HA! But there was a White Label MONO Promo of "EDWARD" released too. You will see them occasionally on EBAY. But in 71 AM still played Stones,Zep,J. Geils,Alice Cooper,ALL Beatles solo,BTO,Grand Funk....
By the way, the Tumbling Dice 45 I have is MONO too!

No, Beggars and Let it Bleed are FOLDDOWNS of the Stereos, with Sympathy For The Devil as the one exception

I respectfully disagree. I'm not trying to fight with you-I just want to know if there are ways to tell or your source for this information.

Still waiting!

About Beggars Banquet.

On the Steve Hoffman site, original Cutting Master for Beggars, Bill Levenson states, that only Sympathy For Te Devil was a dedicated mono mix. The rest was folddowns.

As for Let it Bleed it is 99% sure that it is a folddown of the Stereo mix. Experts have talked about this for years, but Decca started using folddowns as early as 1967 (for Satanic. In the US, that record was dedicated Mono).

Excuse my ignorance but what's a folddown?

A folddown is laying the two seperate stereo outputs together, to create a mono output.

Thats interesting! Who Is Steve Hoffman ,by the way? All I know is the Beggars and Bleed MONOs sound GREAT!

Steve Hoffman is a legendary Engineer who has his own website and, dare I say it, the worlds best music discussion forum. A lot of insiders, producers and experts write there.

www.stevehoffman.tv/forums



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Thanks

Sounds good (albeit a lot of hearsay)

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Decca started using folddowns as early as 1967 (for Satanic. In the US, that record was dedicated Mono).

Anyone heard a difference between the UK and US mono Satanic?

The Decca Satanic is a folddown while the US is a dedicated mono mix.

So I would guess The Stones sent the master tapes to the US for the mix?

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The Decca Satanic is a folddown while the US is a dedicated mono mix.

Yes, but does the US mono LP actually sound any different from the UK one?

us version has more punch and the vocals are at a more normal volume.

The U.S. version does seem louder. Didn't recognize any other differance myself. I'm curious to play it again.