Inspired by dcba's post in the Knebworth thread, I was just thinking about the 1976 tour: A few days ago I found this "remastered" version of "Germany '76" on Dime. Listening to it I figured what a blistering show this June 2 recording from Sporthalle Cologne must have been. It's also a fine recording, nicely capturing the atmosphere, and offering few signs of the sloppiness and going-through-the-motions feel, generally associated with this tour. Now, I don't know too many recordings from this tour which is my least favourable from their classic period (only Knebworth, Paris (June 4), Frankfurt and one or two Earls Court shows), but to me this particular recording from Cologne seems to be among the best available shows from '76. What's your opinion on this (my other favourites being Paris and Frankfurt (sloppy, but interesting, as most of their opening shows).



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1st Cologne and 2nd Frankfurt are as good contenders as any; I'd say - agreed.

Wasn't the last Paris (June 7) pretty good (at least better than the 5&6th gigs)?
They wanted to end the Paris residency with a bang, I guess...

Generally I've discovered a fondness for this tour I didn't think I had : recently Lyon and Nice have been on my computer (thx to Dime) and I like the funk of this era.
(Nice isn't a great show btw imo)



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Wasn't the last Paris (June 7) pretty good (at least better than the 5&6th gigs)?

Yes it was - IMO as well

Erik I suggest we bring a bit of dissensus in this thread. Otherwise ppl are going to think YOU are behind the dcba alias ><

Yeah Nice (June 13) is really "nothing special" from start to finish. I keep it on my HD for archival reasons only.

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1st Cologne and 2nd Frankfurt are as good contenders as any; I'd say - agreed.

Erik, just to keep the discussion going, as dcba suggested ;-) I'm not quite sure what your statement was: Do you mean Cologne and Frankfurt are JUST as good as any (other show from '76) or do you think, Cologne for example COULD well be the best of them all, possibly (which is difficult to judge for me, as I only know a fraction of the available recordings).

It might not be the most interesting of tours due to the well known reasons, but listening to the Cologne recording I was surprised how much they could rock out even then. Plus there are the B&B tracks, like Hey Negrita, which also contribute to the fun. Compared to some recordings from Earls Court, which I found to be quite lifeless and boring, I must say this recording turned out to be real fun.



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"how much they could rock out even then. Plus there are the B&B tracks, like Hey Negrita, which also contribute to the fun"
you've summed up my thoughts about the June 2 (1st) pretty well.

I alo have old but fond memories of the Vienna tape : did the "last show of the tour" syndrom pressed them to hit the "overdrive" button?

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1st Cologne and 2nd Frankfurt are as good contenders as any; I'd say - agreed.

Erik, just to keep the discussion going, as dcba suggested ;-) I'm not quite sure what your statement was: Do you mean Cologne and Frankfurt are JUST as good as any (other show from '76) or do you think, Cologne for example COULD well be the best of them all, possibly (which is difficult to judge for me, as I only know a fraction of the available recordings).

Oh it's just my poor English language; what I meant was that those 2 shows are among the very best ones from the tour - and perhaps; THE 2 best ones....especially Cologne

The 2nd Münster show is pretty good (for 1976) but the 1st Münster show is really worth seeking out because it's probably the show with the MOST mistakes of any Rolling Stones concert.....before the ABB tour..!

But all in all - it's not often that I put on a 1976 CD/CDR - as most concerts that year were let-downs....unlike the previous and the following tour.

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(...) some recordings from Earls Court, which I found to be quite lifeless and boring

Indeed - they were

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Erik I suggest we bring a bit of dissensus in this thread. Otherwise ppl are going to think YOU are behind the dcba alias

Thanks for reminding me, Erik - dcba; yes let's pretend I'm not you...or me



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I bought Cologne '75 "Hot Pants & Wet Panties" 30 years ago & thought it one of the worst Stones shows I'd ever heard. My opinion hasn't changed.

The best was Lyon (France)

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The best was Lyon (France)

Jagger's voice is gone in Lyon, I'd say - maybe tired from the Paris shows

The Berlin show was the best - because it was my first Stones show!

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I bought Cologne '75 "Hot Pants & Wet Panties" 30 years ago & thought it one of the worst Stones shows I'd ever heard. My opinion hasn't changed.

But that's the 2nd Cologne show isn't it, Jonathan....same as "Happy Birthday Charlie"...?
And it's one of the real poor ones of that tour - that's for sure

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The best was Lyon (France)

Jagger's voice is gone in Lyon, I'd say - maybe tired from the Paris shows

Yet, Jagger is very high in the mix in Lyon, at least in the commonly available mono soundboard, which is a real problem with this show, IMO.

I think Cologne is a good show for '76, but I prefer Paris June 7th, although the hiss is bothersome during the first half of the show...

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The best was Lyon (France)

Jagger's voice is gone in Lyon, I'd say - maybe tired from the Paris shows

Yet, Jagger is very high in the mix in Lyon, at least in the commonly available mono soundboard, which is a real problem with this show, IMO.

I think Cologne is a good show for '76, but I prefer Paris June 7th, although the hiss is bothersome during the first half of the show...

mix of soundboard & audience would be perfect mix...?????

Lyon

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I bought Cologne '75 "Hot Pants & Wet Panties" 30 years ago & thought it one of the worst Stones shows I'd ever heard. My opinion hasn't changed.

But that's the 2nd Cologne show isn't it, Jonathan....same as "Happy Birthday Charlie"...?
And it's one of the real poor ones of that tour - that's for sure

That's the second one? OK! Yeah, it's Happy Birthday Charlie. The band sounds like they are asleep!

"I bought Cologne '76 "Hot Pants & Wet Panties" 30 years ago & thought it one of the worst Stones shows I'd ever heard. My opinion hasn't changed."

Maybe your turtable was running a bit slow...? ><
Seriously it's one of the very few 76 shows where I want to play the songs a 2nd time. Keith was ALIVE at this show

I can remember that I enjoyed my old vinyl boot "Nasty Habits In Glasgow" very much. Haven't listen to it for ages. The quality of this audience recording is not perfect but the show was really good. I think that the concert parts of the '76 BBC special came from Glasgow. Real hot!



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"I bought Cologne '76 "Hot Pants & Wet Panties" 30 years ago & thought it one of the worst Stones shows I'd ever heard. My opinion hasn't changed."

Maybe your turtable was running a bit slow...? ><
Seriously it's one of the very few 76 shows where I want to play the songs a 2nd time. Keith was ALIVE at this show

I have the 2nd Cologne show, wh. was rotten.

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"I bought Cologne '76 "Hot Pants & Wet Panties" 30 years ago & thought it one of the worst Stones shows I'd ever heard. My opinion hasn't changed."

Maybe your turtable was running a bit slow...? ><
Seriously it's one of the very few 76 shows where I want to play the songs a 2nd time. Keith was ALIVE at this show

I have the 2nd Cologne show, wh. was rotten.

This might be a case where it's a noisy/bad recording but the performance was great? Some of my favorite bootlegs (for performance) have been panned by others for poor sound quality.

Greetings from the Jersey Shore.

"I have the 2nd Cologne show, wh. was rotten."
try the 1st, the "EAU DE COLOGNE" lp show then.

I love it because you clearly feel the boys, like in 72, have a telepathic link between them.

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Hehe ...for me too ...I am just teasing here , Greenblues ...I know you're talking about the sound recording ,but Lyon 76 was my 1st show ,so.....

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Yet, Jagger is very high in the mix in Lyon, at least in the commonly available mono soundboard, which is a real problem with this show, IMO.

+1



I am a Frenchie ,as Mick affectionately called them in the Old Grey Whistle Test in 1977 .

Sitting in the dentist's chair this morning I was wondering why nobody mentions the opening show in Frankfurt? I think it was very solid & energetic.

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Yet, Jagger is very high in the mix in Lyon, at least in the commonly available mono soundboard, which is a real problem with this show, IMO.

+1

Sway, honey, are you picking on me?

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Yet, Jagger is very high in the mix in Lyon, at least in the commonly available mono soundboard, which is a real problem with this show, IMO.

+1

Sway, honey, are you picking on me?

texas fan darling ,I won't never dare .



I am a Frenchie ,as Mick affectionately called them in the Old Grey Whistle Test in 1977 .

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Sitting in the dentist's chair this morning I was wondering why nobody mentions the opening show in Frankfurt? I think it was very solid & energetic.

I did mention it (Erik too), but I'd rather place it in the "runners up" category, because it sounds a bit ragged and sloppy in places. As one of the two oping shows however, I find it rather fascinating, but energy-wise I'd much prefer the Cologne show (FIRST show that is), which btw. is up on Dime at the moment.



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Hehe ...for me too ...I am just teasing here , Greenblues ...I know you're talking about the sound recording ,but Lyon 76 was my 1st show ,so.....

Just seems natural to me, SwayStones. My first show ever was Status Quo, about one or two years after. In '76 I was only 11 years old and would've preferred The Sweet to the Stones, hehe.



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Saw the Stones in Paris and Knebworth in 76, think i enjoyed the Knebworth performance better. In Paris we were sitting in the posh seats and couldn't really let go but Knebworth was much more laid back.

There is no such thing as a really good show from the '76 tour. They sure looked much better on this tour than they sounded. Same goes for the '75 tour. They sounded like amateurs on these tours but looked like real rockstars.