On "Doncha Bother Me" I can not tell what is up: in the right channel is the main guitar. Now is that slide lick played on the same guitar? Because it sure does not sound like the same guitar, and it also seems too little time to switch from that plucking sound into the slide so cleanly everytime. Plus several times there is one last syncopated note on a lower string right before the slide comes in.
On the other hand -it is just too clean, that one guitar would pick up only the slide lick after the clean guitar everytime with no bleedover.
It is also not feasible that this was punched in. In those days the punch was done manually, and they would have had to do it every time, and there is barely enough time in between.
I was listening to it so closely because I was wondering if this was Brian on the main guitar through the whole song. But is it 1 or 2 guitars?

Also on "Flght 505" during the solo there is some serious weaving going on. To this day I always find more and better weaving with Taylor or Brian, than with Ron Wood.

"Aftermath"--my fav. Stones-album--ever

under the boardwalk---down by the sea

The open E tuned slide guitar is only used for that little slide part and nothing else on the track. The other parts you hear are from other guitars.

Haven't listened to it in awhile, but I think there are 2 or 3 electrics and an acoustic.



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The open E tuned slide guitar is only used for that little slide part and nothing else on the track. The other parts you hear are from other guitars.

I don't know. It sounds like it might be coming from the same guitar. Brian kind of does the same thing on LRR, playing the main riff then quickly shifting to the slide. He does the same thing on Meet Me At the Bottom with the real quick shifts of standard and slide. I think the last part of Doncha Bother on the fade is clearly an overdub with the regular chops, but the other ones sound like it's coming from one guitar on the same take . . .

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I don't know. It sounds like it might be coming from the same guitar. Brian kind of does the same thing on LRR, playing the main riff then quickly shifting to the slide. He does the same thing on Meet Me At the Bottom with the real quick shifts of standard and slide. I think the last part of Doncha Bother on the fade is clearly an overdub with the regular chops, but the other ones sound like it's coming from one guitar on the same take . . .

When I last listened, I worked out that it couldn't be one guitar, tone is different, maybe there's an overlap, can't remember at the moment.

Anyway, my conclusion was that the slide guitar only played that slide part.

What about "Paint It, Black" on the American version of this album?

I see what Majesty and Neptune are saying, and those are very much the two possibilities I was considering.
There is definitely a second electric in left channel just chugging along adding body. But everything happens in the right. There is one small note that the clean guitar keeps hitting in between the two slide phrases, each time it comes around, which confuses me even more.
I tend to agree more with neptune on this one, except in the harmonica break the slide guitar kind of doubles the harmonica in parts; and right there it sounds like both guitars are playing at once. But it is the only time; which again makes me think that they actually did a crazy punch in/out job on this song. (they had extra tracks in instrumental break)

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I see what Majesty and Neptune are saying, and those are very much the two possibilities I was considering.
There is definitely a second electric in left channel just chugging along adding body. But everything happens in the right. There is one small note that the clean guitar keeps hitting in between the two slide phrases, each time it comes around, which confuses me even more.

Download the OOPS Aftermath bootleg and you'll hear everything laid out for yah.

The slide guitar only plays that slide lick, nothing else. All other guitars overlap slightly when the slide lick is played.

The track features 2 acoustic and 3 electric guitars. They had 4 track at RCA so no need for punching in really, a simple bounce down and there's more than enough room for what is heard.



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I see what Majesty and Neptune are saying, and those are very much the two possibilities I was considering.
There is definitely a second electric in left channel just chugging along adding body. But everything happens in the right. There is one small note that the clean guitar keeps hitting in between the two slide phrases, each time it comes around, which confuses me even more.

Whatever the case, I believe its Brian plucking away at the right channel along with those notes during the bridge (kind of similar to the main guitar of Think-left channel). Just really clean plucked chords, which was chracteristic of Brian's style on guitar (ie. TIOMS, If You Need Me, LRR, Cry To Me, etc.).

Listening to the OOPS/isolated tracks I'd say Keith plays both clean electrics, Brian the dirty slide. Maybe they both played acoustic.

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Listening to the OOPS/isolated tracks I'd say Keith plays both clean electrics, Brian the dirty slide. Maybe they both played acoustic.

Whenever Brian played slide, he usually played the part from beginning to end with some standard playing thrown in the mix. Rarely did he contribute small pieces of slide here and there to a track. That chugging electric rhythm you hear thoughout is classic Brian Jones.

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Whenever Brian played slide, he usually played the part from beginning to end with some standard playing thrown in the mix. Rarely did he contribute small pieces of slide here and there to a track. That chugging electric rhythm you hear thoughout is classic Brian Jones.

In this case the slide guitar does nothing but that slide lick. It is impossible for that guitar to be playing any of the other parts as the other guitar parts still play little bits/sustain when the slide plays.

After listening to the separated tracks again I agree it is probably Brian playing the ''chugging'' guitar part and definitely the slide lick, with Keith playing the more fill like parts on the other electric.

I will have to listen to the outtakes if it becomes so evident. I agree on who plays what: Brian on slide and like Neptune says those chugging parts are vintage Brian style. The other electric is typical Keith in that period.
The dilemma for me has been the physics of the whole thing. But maybe the outtakes will solve that.

It's very clear from the isolated tracks. Both the chugging guitar and the more fill like guitar have notes which carry over when the slide guitar comes in with that lick.

On the isolated channel where the slide is heard, there is also the chugging guitar and an acoustic strumming chords. It is impossible for the slide to also be responsible for the chugging guitar parts.

Main electric on that channel is tuned to standard, slide open E.



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Has anyone analized the various guitars on It's Not Easy?

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Has anyone analized the various guitars on It's Not Easy?

I have the original metal acetate of aftermath from the RCA studio with a alternate take of it's not easy.

Here is a list of all the songs on this acetate:

Paint it black 3:03, Hard to tell, so scratched. but likely longer...

Stupid Girl 2:51, More Hammond organ in mix

I am Waiting 3:11, Different mix of backing vox

Its Not Easy 2:55, Alternate take!!!!!...Brian's blues (gtr) fills way up

Long Long While 2:58 ,7" B side Of Paint it Black..not released on regular album.

What to Do 2:27, Alt mix

Lady Jane 3:35, Longer version, alt mix

Under My Thumb 3:18, Slight Longer fadeout, alt mix

Flight 505, 3:22, basically the same, better sound

Out Of Time 5:11, Basicallly same, better sound

High and Dry 3:08, slight alt mix

Mothers Little Helper 2:48, Heavy reverb on vox, slightly longer fadeout





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Its Not Easy 2:55, Alternate take!!!!!...Brian's blues (gtr) fills way up

Keith plays those.