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Does you know better text about Stones?
Posted by: Voja ()
Date: July 23, 2008 21:05

Any recomendation? (and don't forget this book is from 1969!)







Re: Does you know better text about Stones?
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: July 23, 2008 23:28

thanks for posting that, Voja - i've read excerpts from it somewhere (maybe in one of ALO's books)
and if your question is serious: have you read Stanley Booth's True Adventures of the Rolling Stones?

Re: Does you know better text about Stones?
Posted by: Voja ()
Date: July 23, 2008 23:42

yes. Great book.
But recently I saw one review about SAL where said that's it's not ''definitive'' Stones film. Same is with books.
But good books exist.
My opinion is that worst books are so called insiders books (Wyman, Wood, even According The Stones..I didn't read Oldhams).
Truth about Stones is hiden, still.
So I think that we have to share ours experience about books and Stones stuff.
For example I find bootleg named ''Obsidian'', and was supriced how good it is. And never noticed that any fan mentioned this.

Re: Does you know better text about Stones?
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: July 23, 2008 23:47

>> I didn't read Oldhams <<

ah: you should sometime. i absolutely didn't expect to be fascinated, and i was.
by the first one especially: the picture you get of early-60s London is amazing.

Re: Does you know better text about Stones?
Posted by: Voja ()
Date: July 24, 2008 01:06

I'll try to find it...especially is hard to me to imagine this moments in London. Last time I saw this scene was ''Blow Up''.

Re: Does you know better text about Stones?
Posted by: livewithme ()
Date: July 24, 2008 05:32

while this is well written and has some good insight (considering the yr it was written) this guy made one of the worst calls in history writing off the Stones as has beens in 1969.
He kind of tips it off with his "lots of their songs were simply crap" that he is a self absorbed journalist in love with his own writing ability.
Ironic are his closing comments about the Stones not meant to get old, and existed to go bang one time. (He could not foresee A Bigger Bang?? Obviously not a prophet)
But to write them off after they had already started on their run to true greatness. I have no idea who this clown is but hope he has been properly discredited and did not make a living for the last 40 yrs off of writing such crap.

Re: Does you know better text about Stones?
Posted by: Voja ()
Date: July 24, 2008 17:51

I have no idea who this clown[/b] is but hope he has been properly discredited and did not make a living for the last 40 yrs off of writing such crap.[/quote]
Aha......you have right. From your point.
But usually people say that 3 best books about Rock And Roll are :
1.Lilian Roxons > Rock Encyclopedia,
2.Charlie Gillette > The Sound Of The City
3. and (how strange is) THIS BOOK > Rock From Begining
Now let's see how this ''clown'' is :Nik Cohn
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Nik Cohn (also written Nick Cohn) is a British rock journalist, born in London in 1946.Established as the father of rock criticism, with Awopbopaloobop Alopbamboom written at the age of 22 in the late 60s, he then has published articles, novels and music books regularly.
When reviewing a rough mix of The Who's rock opera Tommy, he told the group members that the album was less than spectacular. Knowing that Cohn was a fan of pinball, Pete Townshend suggested that the album's deaf, dumb, and blind title character could also be an exceptional pinball player. Cohn's opinion of the album immediately improved, and Townshend subsequently wrote "Pinball Wizard" to be added to the album.
During one stay in America in the late 80s, he shared a flat with wrestler Chris Candido. Certain aspects of Cohn's personality were taken on by Candido in his "No Gimmicks Required" personae in ECW.He wrote the 1975 New York Magazine article "Tribal Rites of the New Saturday Night", which was the source material for the movie Saturday Night Fever.
Nik Cohn is now a columnist for The Guardian.He is the son of historian Norman Cohn.
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Nik Cohn
Nik Cohn was only in his early 20s when he wrote Awopbopaloobop Alopbamboom (retitled Rock from the Beginning in the U.S.) in the late '60s. This was one of the very first attempts to write a history of rock itself, and if judged by its research and factual detail, it's lacking and incomplete. Its true significance is that Cohn's hip, irreverent prose helped set the standard -- for both good and ill -- of cutting-edge rock criticism for decades to come. In addition, the very notion of treating rock as a subject worthy of a book was revolutionary in the late '60s, and in that respect Cohn's volume was an important groundbreaker, even if it's been superseded since by more serious and dedicated scholars.

Raised in Northern Ireland, Cohn moved to London in 1963, in time to view the onslaught of the British beat boom first-hand. Soon he was writing for The Observer, "pontificating on Youth," according to his introduction to the 1996 printing of Awopbopaloobop Alopbamboom. After writing about rock for English and American publications for four years, he wrote his rock history in about a couple of months in the spring of 1968, still only 22 years of age. Awopbopaloobop Alopbamboom was prone to sweeping over-generalizations, ignorance about influences and roots, and highly inflammatory opinions. This found Cohn dissing icons like the Beatles and Dylan, and devoting an entire chapter to a personal hero, P.J. Proby, of marginal musical importance. Its real value was in the attitude and passion Cohn brought to the subject. He was not afraid to take his idols down a peg or two, to be downright blunt and nasty on occasion and to pay attention to image and stage presence as much as recordings, musical innovation and songwriting craft. These are the qualities, rather than the straight history, that make the book worth a perusal several decades later.

You might think that writing a well-received rock history in your early 20s might be the ticket to launching a lengthy, successful career as a rock critic. Cohn, however, actually viewed his manifesto as a summing up of sorts, after which he concentrated on other forms of non-fiction and fiction writing, in both books and magazine pieces. He was not entirely done with rock & roll, however. Cohn was friendly with Pete Townshend, and both were enthusiastic pinball players; Cohn, indeed, wrote a novel about a 14 year old pinball zealot, Arfur. It's been speculated that Cohn influenced Townshend's writing of the Who's Tommy in this regard, especially as the central character becomes a hero through his pinball skills, as fleshed out by one of the rock opera's most popular songs, "Pinball Wizard." It's also thought that another Cohn novel, I Am Still the Greatest Says Johnny Angelo, was based on P.J. Proby, and might have influenced David Bowie's "Ziggy Stardust" character. Also, one of his short stories, "Another Saturday Night," became the basis for the film Saturday Night Fever. Cohn at one time was planning to write a book about Phil Spector, based on interview material with the reclusive genius himself. It "came to nothing," in Cohn's estimation, but the eccentric experience of hanging around the man in the process did provide the core material for a superb chapter on the producer in The Rolling Stone Illustrated History of Rock & Roll. Cohn did co-author one more rock history book, the unusual Rock Dreams, which consisted chiefly of Guy Pellart's illustrations of rock legends through the ages. Cohn provided the brief captions, which were very much in the spirit of Awopbopaloobop Alopbamboom in their colorful, sometimes savage capsule summarizations of what specific artists had contributed to the sound and image of rock music. Awopbopaloobop Alopbamboom has, confusingly, been printed with different titles both in the U.S. (where it was called Rock from the Beginning when it first came out) and the U.K. (where it was called Pop from the Beginning when it first came out). In 1996, Da Capo Press reissued it under the Awopbopaloobop Alopbamboom title in the States, with a new preface by the author, who is now widely read in Britain as a columnist for the Guardian. ~ Richie Unterberger, All Music Guide



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