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Yeah Mick, Keith, wise-up! Don't be a couple of schmucks!
Open the vaults. Cash in. Now!
Look at that 1972 tour box set bootleg on ebay?!?!
That money should go in your pocket.
You're probably right. They have played so below par for so long it's no wonder so many people bash them -- even us the 'superfans,'
Yup, the ship has sailed on the vaults.
That is just downright rude, and simply not true. Sure, they don't sound like the 1972 Stones anymore, nor like the 1966 or the 1981 Stones for that matter; ànd there is much to say about the line-up of the backing band etc. ... but they have never, NEVER played "below par"- not by general (contemporary) and/or historic rock'n'roll standards, and not even by their own.
I do not understand the world...
We stand in line with millions for a Led Zeppelin reunion that’s never gonna happen; we rave at a ‘comeback’ tour of the Police that, musicwise, was one of the poorest things in rock’n’roll history; we smile broadly at the “Filthy Lucre” tour of the Sex Pistols, that gave us exactly what its title had promised; we bow our heads everytime sir Paul McCartney (not a ‘decent’ album since the early eighties… Wait! Where did we hear that before??) decides to gracefully come & play all his warhorses again; we enthusiastically applaud when Neil Young releases a new album with all new versions of his 3 archetypical songs for the umpteenth time again; ...
In 2011-2012 the Rolling Stones will celebrate 50 years of maximum rock’n’roll live on stage. And they will do so, of that we can be sure, in their best tradition.
To answer that quesion that one of you 'superfans' recently posed, and for which it was too late to put in my dime (thread has already been closed): sure I’ll be there.
They have live shows in their vaults too, dont forget.
The Beatles Anthology was a case of a little going a long way. They didnt have that much unreleased material of good quality and it only covered a decade of music, but they stretched it to 3 double CDs.
And whilst I agree with what you're hinting at about maybe not having a lot of quality unreleased songs, you could release several volumes worth of material if it mostly consisted of alternate versions of already released songs.
To answer the original question, I agree 100% with loog droog - "If the Stones keep waiting, their original fans will either be dead as well, or they will be retired and won't have the disposable income to buy all the new unreleased stuff". I'd add to his comments by saying that the potential audience may simply lose interest and move on.
Stones record sales are currently at their lowest ever ebb and the band have no real interest in releasing and promoting new material - and with an ageing fanbase, they can only milk the compilations market for so long before there's nothing left.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-02-10 15:05 by Gazza.
That was the general consensus for a long time, but the forthcoming Exile Deluxe would seem to disprove it.
I have seen the future and it is us, in a senior citizens assisted living facility, waiting for the mailman to arrive with the latest release from the Rolling Stones vaults. Good times.
Anything in the vaults will have the SOUND QUALITY of an official release because it WILL BE an official release. Bootlegs sound like bootlegs.
Then I suggest eveyone here buy 100 copies like Brian Epstein did with Love Me Do.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-02-10 16:09 by tatters.
It is really unfair to put this video in this context. They really f...ed it up, they did. But the way you put it here it looks like this should be their normal performance these days. And it surely is not. I understand that deadegat whote they "NEVER played below par" and you wanted to prove it to be false, but c'mon...their average show is a great one!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-02-10 18:32 by Happy24.
Why do they have to be mutually exclusive?
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Is it getting too late to open the vaults?
Posted by:
saturn57
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Date: February 10, 2010 04:22
So many of the stars from the 60s have opened the vaults, but The Stones seem to be keeping them relatively shut but for a few tidbits.
The Beatles with their Anthology series, The Doors with the release of several concerts, Elvis & Jimi have gone crazy & Dylan with his Bootleg Series (even as he currently tours & records) etc. As many of the hard core original fans are aging, will there be enough people who will want this stuff (profitability). I would love some live stuff with Brian as well as early 70s stuff.
But as the fan base ages will these recordings be lost forever?
It's so very lonely, you're 2,000 Light Years from home
The Beatles with their Anthology series, The Doors with the release of several concerts, Elvis & Jimi have gone crazy & Dylan with his Bootleg Series (even as he currently tours & records) etc. As many of the hard core original fans are aging, will there be enough people who will want this stuff (profitability). I would love some live stuff with Brian as well as early 70s stuff.
But as the fan base ages will these recordings be lost forever?
It's so very lonely, you're 2,000 Light Years from home
Re: Is it getting too late to open the vaults?
Posted by:
whitem8
()
Date: February 10, 2010 04:33
I would also add in the list Bowie, he has put out a lot form his vaults and The Kinks.
Good piont about the Stones possibly missing an oppotunity with their older fan base, who also have the most expendable income to boot!
Good piont about the Stones possibly missing an oppotunity with their older fan base, who also have the most expendable income to boot!
Re: Is it getting too late to open the vaults?
Posted by:
deadegad
()
Date: February 10, 2010 04:56
Quote
whitem8
Good piont about the Stones possibly missing an oppotunity with their older fan base, who also have the most expendable income to boot!
Yeah Mick, Keith, wise-up! Don't be a couple of schmucks!
Open the vaults. Cash in. Now!
Look at that 1972 tour box set bootleg on ebay?!?!
That money should go in your pocket.
Re: Is it getting too late to open the vaults?
Posted by:
canadian.sway
()
Date: February 10, 2010 05:45
something tells me the stones won't open them up. it feels like that shipped has sailed.
Re: Is it getting too late to open the vaults?
Posted by:
nonfilter
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Date: February 10, 2010 05:49
Something tells me that they don't want to become relics, but furthermore don't want to compete with the 1972 Stones.
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Re: Is it getting too late to open the vaults?
Posted by:
deadegad
()
Date: February 10, 2010 05:55
You're probably right. They have played so below par for so long it's no wonder so many people bash them -- even us the 'superfans,'
Yup, the ship has sailed on the vaults.
Re: Is it getting too late to open the vaults?
Posted by:
loog droog
()
Date: February 10, 2010 06:15
They just released another live Sinatra box.
The only problem is, the original fan base is DEAD, or at least dying.
The young generation that was put down in the liner notes of the original pressing of Strangers In the Night are in their 60's now. They don't care much for Frank. That was their parents music.
What they'd like is the Stones.
If the Stones keep waiting, their original fans will either be dead as well, or they will be retired and won't have the disposable income to buy all the new unreleased stuff.
If you have to choose between medicine or the Stones, what do you choose?
(I know, I know...the Stones are your medicine )
But you see what I mean.
The only problem is, the original fan base is DEAD, or at least dying.
The young generation that was put down in the liner notes of the original pressing of Strangers In the Night are in their 60's now. They don't care much for Frank. That was their parents music.
What they'd like is the Stones.
If the Stones keep waiting, their original fans will either be dead as well, or they will be retired and won't have the disposable income to buy all the new unreleased stuff.
If you have to choose between medicine or the Stones, what do you choose?
(I know, I know...the Stones are your medicine )
But you see what I mean.
Re: Is it getting too late to open the vaults?
Posted by:
donvis
()
Date: February 10, 2010 06:17
I am getting so frustrated that I have about reached the point of not caring anymore. I don't want a tour or solo stuff. I want a new album and the vaults opened and I WANT IT NOW!!
Re: Is it getting too late to open the vaults?
Posted by:
nonfilter
()
Date: February 10, 2010 06:38
Well I'm a younger fan and I want a new tour, but not without a new album. But I'd also love an official release of Ladies and Gentlemen. I'm not putting down the modern day Stones in any way. I see a lot of younger bands and The Stones are still my best show. Hope Jack White produces the new album like Keith hinted at.
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Re: Is it getting too late to open the vaults?
Posted by:
Filip020169
()
Date: February 10, 2010 11:24
Quote
deadegad
They have played so below par for so long.
That is just downright rude, and simply not true. Sure, they don't sound like the 1972 Stones anymore, nor like the 1966 or the 1981 Stones for that matter; ànd there is much to say about the line-up of the backing band etc. ... but they have never, NEVER played "below par"- not by general (contemporary) and/or historic rock'n'roll standards, and not even by their own.
I do not understand the world...
We stand in line with millions for a Led Zeppelin reunion that’s never gonna happen; we rave at a ‘comeback’ tour of the Police that, musicwise, was one of the poorest things in rock’n’roll history; we smile broadly at the “Filthy Lucre” tour of the Sex Pistols, that gave us exactly what its title had promised; we bow our heads everytime sir Paul McCartney (not a ‘decent’ album since the early eighties… Wait! Where did we hear that before??) decides to gracefully come & play all his warhorses again; we enthusiastically applaud when Neil Young releases a new album with all new versions of his 3 archetypical songs for the umpteenth time again; ...
In 2011-2012 the Rolling Stones will celebrate 50 years of maximum rock’n’roll live on stage. And they will do so, of that we can be sure, in their best tradition.
To answer that quesion that one of you 'superfans' recently posed, and for which it was too late to put in my dime (thread has already been closed): sure I’ll be there.
Re: Is it getting too late to open the vaults?
Posted by:
KeithNacho
()
Date: February 10, 2010 13:41
We want real rarities, not that shit of Rarities album..........The only rarities that worth were METAMORPHOSIS AND TATOO YOU
Re: Is it getting too late to open the vaults?
Posted by:
mr edward
()
Date: February 10, 2010 13:52
Quote
Filip020169Quote
deadegad
They have played so below par for so long.
That is just downright rude, and simply not true. Sure, they don't sound like the 1972 Stones anymore, nor like the 1966 or the 1981 Stones for that matter; ànd there is much to say about the line-up of the backing band etc. ... but they have never, NEVER played "below par"- not by general (contemporary) and/or historic rock'n'roll standards, and not even by their own.
Re: Is it getting too late to open the vaults?
Posted by:
Loudei
()
Date: February 10, 2010 14:09
I really like to know what you people think is in the vaults? The last few vault openings: Metamorphosis, Tattoo You, R&R Circus, what else? Rarities does not qualify. What else could be out there? Beatles Anthology part II? DREAM ON.
The Stones are done.
The Stones are done.
Re: Is it getting too late to open the vaults?
Posted by:
Doxa
()
Date: February 10, 2010 14:24
But isn't that what Jagger has been actually doing in recent months? Opening the vaults? If it is too late or not, I don't know.
- Doxa
- Doxa
Re: Is it getting too late to open the vaults?
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: February 10, 2010 14:35
Quote
Loudei
I really like to know what you people think is in the vaults? The last few vault openings: Metamorphosis, Tattoo You, R&R Circus, what else? Rarities does not qualify. What else could be out there? Beatles Anthology part II? DREAM ON.
The Stones are done.
They have live shows in their vaults too, dont forget.
The Beatles Anthology was a case of a little going a long way. They didnt have that much unreleased material of good quality and it only covered a decade of music, but they stretched it to 3 double CDs.
And whilst I agree with what you're hinting at about maybe not having a lot of quality unreleased songs, you could release several volumes worth of material if it mostly consisted of alternate versions of already released songs.
To answer the original question, I agree 100% with loog droog - "If the Stones keep waiting, their original fans will either be dead as well, or they will be retired and won't have the disposable income to buy all the new unreleased stuff". I'd add to his comments by saying that the potential audience may simply lose interest and move on.
Stones record sales are currently at their lowest ever ebb and the band have no real interest in releasing and promoting new material - and with an ageing fanbase, they can only milk the compilations market for so long before there's nothing left.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-02-10 15:05 by Gazza.
Re: Is it getting too late to open the vaults?
Posted by:
Anonymous User
()
Date: February 10, 2010 15:16
you dont have a clue talking about the police reunion tour.it was magnificent .i caught the police live at madison square garden on halloween and the blew the roof off the dump .a true musical highlight in my rich concert history with all three founding members .Quote
Filip020169Quote
deadegad
They have played so below par for so long.
That is just downright rude, and simply not true. Sure, they don't sound like the 1972 Stones anymore, nor like the 1966 or the 1981 Stones for that matter; ànd there is much to say about the line-up of the backing band etc. ... but they have never, NEVER played "below par"- not by general (contemporary) and/or historic rock'n'roll standards, and not even by their own.
I do not understand the world...
We stand in line with millions for a Led Zeppelin reunion that’s never gonna happen; we rave at a ‘comeback’ tour of the Police that, musicwise, was one of the poorest things in rock’n’roll history; we smile broadly at the “Filthy Lucre” tour of the Sex Pistols, that gave us exactly what its title had promised; we bow our heads everytime sir Paul McCartney (not a ‘decent’ album since the early eighties… Wait! Where did we hear that before??) decides to gracefully come & play all his warhorses again; we enthusiastically applaud when Neil Young releases a new album with all new versions of his 3 archetypical songs for the umpteenth time again; ...
In 2011-2012 the Rolling Stones will celebrate 50 years of maximum rock’n’roll live on stage. And they will do so, of that we can be sure, in their best tradition.
To answer that quesion that one of you 'superfans' recently posed, and for which it was too late to put in my dime (thread has already been closed): sure I’ll be there.
Re: Is it getting too late to open the vaults?
Posted by:
behroez
()
Date: February 10, 2010 15:28
Who wants the vaults? There are enought boots out there. i much more prefer a new Stones album.
Re: Is it getting too late to open the vaults?
Posted by:
Filip020169
()
Date: February 10, 2010 15:36
Filip020169
"but they have never, NEVER played "below par"-
"mr edward"
...apart from when they played Belgium, apparantly.
look, I never said the Stones always play brilliantly, did I? In fact, we all know they don't. And isn't that part of the charm, btw? It certainly is part of that unique Stones' enigma- the "looseness" that sometimes results in a R'n'R trip that is second to no one, and sometimes sounds like plains crashing. And Cheerz to them for that! I hate perfection anyway.
I saw them 30 times up till now, and at least a couple of times I went home almost fuming with anger; downright insulted. I swore to myself that whenever they disappointed me twice in a row, I'd never attend a Stonesconcert again.
Greek, I saw the Police 3 times (twice in Belgium, one time in Germany)- and they truely, truely s.u.c.k.e.d. Almost everybody I know who saw them play (there & elsewhere), said the same. (European) Critics overall (from what I read here & there) shared this view. I'm happy for you that you enjoyed them, and I have no problem in accepting that they were good, or even brilliant, thàt night- but I do speak from my own experiences ànd on behalf of (imo) reliable sources. Maybe they were better in the USA; I don't know.
"but they have never, NEVER played "below par"-
"mr edward"
...apart from when they played Belgium, apparantly.
look, I never said the Stones always play brilliantly, did I? In fact, we all know they don't. And isn't that part of the charm, btw? It certainly is part of that unique Stones' enigma- the "looseness" that sometimes results in a R'n'R trip that is second to no one, and sometimes sounds like plains crashing. And Cheerz to them for that! I hate perfection anyway.
I saw them 30 times up till now, and at least a couple of times I went home almost fuming with anger; downright insulted. I swore to myself that whenever they disappointed me twice in a row, I'd never attend a Stonesconcert again.
Greek, I saw the Police 3 times (twice in Belgium, one time in Germany)- and they truely, truely s.u.c.k.e.d. Almost everybody I know who saw them play (there & elsewhere), said the same. (European) Critics overall (from what I read here & there) shared this view. I'm happy for you that you enjoyed them, and I have no problem in accepting that they were good, or even brilliant, thàt night- but I do speak from my own experiences ànd on behalf of (imo) reliable sources. Maybe they were better in the USA; I don't know.
Re: Is it getting too late to open the vaults?
Posted by:
georgelicks
()
Date: February 10, 2010 15:47
If we see their record sales during the last 4-5 years, it seems that the only fan base available is here on IORR.
The Stones' catalog was outsold by THE RAMONES last year, the new Exile release could be an epic flop.
The Stones' catalog was outsold by THE RAMONES last year, the new Exile release could be an epic flop.
Re: Is it getting too late to open the vaults?
Posted by:
stoneswashed77
()
Date: February 10, 2010 15:51
i think they already missed the right time to open the vaults.
the longer they wait, the more times will change, the less relevant they will be.
at that moment already it is hard to see the stones as cool and dangerous and exciting.
that may sound harsh but i think in showbusiness you are simply not allowed to age and look old and be uncool or have a gut.
even older people don´t have the same passion for them now compared to the 60´s 70´s.
steel wheels, voodoo lounge era would have been a good timing to open the vaults in my eyes.
the longer they wait, the more times will change, the less relevant they will be.
at that moment already it is hard to see the stones as cool and dangerous and exciting.
that may sound harsh but i think in showbusiness you are simply not allowed to age and look old and be uncool or have a gut.
even older people don´t have the same passion for them now compared to the 60´s 70´s.
steel wheels, voodoo lounge era would have been a good timing to open the vaults in my eyes.
Re: Is it getting too late to open the vaults?
Posted by:
melillo
()
Date: February 10, 2010 15:54
there must be live concert video footage in the vaults, i would much rather have vintage 69 through 78 video footage than audio by far
Re: Is it getting too late to open the vaults?
Posted by:
chrismusic
()
Date: February 10, 2010 15:56
Follow the Gratefull Dead & start releasing full shows from various tours!
Just a thought....
Just a thought....
Re: Is it getting too late to open the vaults?
Posted by:
tatters
()
Date: February 10, 2010 15:58
Quote
nonfilter
Something tells me that they don't want to become relics, but furthermore don't want to compete with the 1972 Stones.
That was the general consensus for a long time, but the forthcoming Exile Deluxe would seem to disprove it.
Re: Is it getting too late to open the vaults?
Posted by:
tatters
()
Date: February 10, 2010 16:04
Quote
loog droog
They just released another live Sinatra box.
The only problem is, the original fan base is DEAD, or at least dying.
The young generation that was put down in the liner notes of the original pressing of Strangers In the Night are in their 60's now. They don't care much for Frank. That was their parents music.
What they'd like is the Stones.
If the Stones keep waiting, their original fans will either be dead as well, or they will be retired and won't have the disposable income to buy all the new unreleased stuff.
If you have to choose between medicine or the Stones, what do you choose?
(I know, I know...the Stones are your medicine )
But you see what I mean.
I have seen the future and it is us, in a senior citizens assisted living facility, waiting for the mailman to arrive with the latest release from the Rolling Stones vaults. Good times.
Re: Is it getting too late to open the vaults?
Posted by:
tatters
()
Date: February 10, 2010 16:07
Quote
behroez
Who wants the vaults? There are enought boots out there. i much more prefer a new Stones album.
Anything in the vaults will have the SOUND QUALITY of an official release because it WILL BE an official release. Bootlegs sound like bootlegs.
Re: Is it getting too late to open the vaults?
Posted by:
ablett
()
Date: February 10, 2010 16:08
Depends on a few things IMO.
Firstly did the GYYYO recent set sell well?
Will Exile sell well?
Also with the Beatles and Zepplin there was alot of excitement and build up to the release that made it very tempting. If the stones put their whole weight behind the project and made it a quality product then I think it would sell well
Another 'Rarities' CD cockup would not!
Firstly did the GYYYO recent set sell well?
Will Exile sell well?
Also with the Beatles and Zepplin there was alot of excitement and build up to the release that made it very tempting. If the stones put their whole weight behind the project and made it a quality product then I think it would sell well
Another 'Rarities' CD cockup would not!
Re: Is it getting too late to open the vaults?
Posted by:
tatters
()
Date: February 10, 2010 16:09
Quote
georgelicks
If we see their record sales during the last 4-5 years, it seems that the only fan base available is here on IORR.
The Stones' catalog was outsold by THE RAMONES last year, the new Exile release could be an epic flop.
Then I suggest eveyone here buy 100 copies like Brian Epstein did with Love Me Do.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-02-10 16:09 by tatters.
Re: Is it getting too late to open the vaults?
Posted by:
Lil' Brian
()
Date: February 10, 2010 17:18
I'd add the Ella Fitzgerald box set (live '61) to these examples. Just incredible! Easily one of the best from 2009.
Re: Is it getting too late to open the vaults?
Posted by:
Happy24
()
Date: February 10, 2010 18:27
Quote
mr edwardQuote
Filip020169Quote
deadegad
They have played so below par for so long.
That is just downright rude, and simply not true. Sure, they don't sound like the 1972 Stones anymore, nor like the 1966 or the 1981 Stones for that matter; ànd there is much to say about the line-up of the backing band etc. ... but they have never, NEVER played "below par"- not by general (contemporary) and/or historic rock'n'roll standards, and not even by their own.
It is really unfair to put this video in this context. They really f...ed it up, they did. But the way you put it here it looks like this should be their normal performance these days. And it surely is not. I understand that deadegat whote they "NEVER played below par" and you wanted to prove it to be false, but c'mon...their average show is a great one!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-02-10 18:32 by Happy24.
Re: Is it getting too late to open the vaults?
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: February 10, 2010 18:28
Quote
behroez
Who wants the vaults? There are enought boots out there. i much more prefer a new Stones album.
Why do they have to be mutually exclusive?
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