I know that after keiths drug bust in 77 when the stones were recording the Some Girls Album the fate of Keith was unceartian as they were awaiting his trial... but Im not familiar with the exact dates of everything. Was that also the case during the tour of 78? was he really Out On Bail?



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The bust actually happened around the El Mocambo shows for the recording of Love You Live in March 1977. The Some Girls recoring sessions were from October 77 to March 78. The tour was in the Summer of '78 and the Trial was Oct '78. With the unusual sentence of the concert for the blind held in April 1979.

So, I guess he literally was out on bail for the Some Girls tour.

And he was not considered a flight risk?

>> And he was not considered a flight risk? <<

evidently not, at least not by the judge.
the Mounties were pushing very hard for him to be jailed, apparently partly because
they felt the original bail ($1000, if memory serves) was so low it was insulting to them.
Chet Flippo goes into a lot of the details in his book On the Road With the Rolling Stones -
he was in Toronto at the time all this was going on.

Edith Grove Wrote:
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> And he was not considered a flight risk?

The whole shebang was pretty much paid, meaning the Stones organization got hold of somebody who could arrange the seamless transfer of around 3M US to keep Keith out of jail and keep the Stones rolling. They're a force to be reckoned with, you know.

Just shows how cool CANADA is, they could have "used Keith as an example" and all that typical kinda shit but instead they let him clean up once and for all and probably saved his life before he was to OD.... The USA would have never acted the same (this HUMANE and understanding) and just thrown him in jail for about 10 to 20 years, acomplishing NOTHING (as usual).....

The SHOULD have used Keith as an example. Celebrity justice, indeed. Just shows that everybody and every government has a price. Keith was guilty as sin.

... there was a pretty much talk at the time to the effect that he "deserved" a harsher sentence than a non-celebrity -
that's what William Reese-Mogg had ten years earlier (after the Redlands trial) called the "pre-legal mentality".
in Canada in 1977, in cases similar to Keith's, where no crime other than possession was involved,
a bit over 50% of the sentences consisted of rehab + probation + community service.
the form of Keith's community service was kind of unusual, obviously - but it was also normal
for community service to entail doing something connected with what one does for a living. humane indeed.



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with sssoul Wrote:
in cases similar to Keith's,
> where no crime other than possession was
> involved,

I thought Keith had an "intent to distribute" charge included as well,
due to the amount he was caught with.

>> i thought Keith had an "intent to distribute" charge included as well,
due to the amount he was caught with. <<

the defense successfully made the case that there was no "intent to traffick".
what he was found guilty of was possession.

thansk for the info everyone. 78 is my favorite tour to listen to, and this just adds to the coolness of it IMO.

HelterSkelter Wrote:
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> Just shows how cool CANADA is, they could have
> "used Keith as an example" and all that typical
> kinda shit but instead they let him clean up once
> and for all and probably saved his life before he
> was to OD.... The USA would have never acted the
> same (this HUMANE and understanding) and just
> thrown him in jail for about 10 to 20 years,
> acomplishing NOTHING (as usual).....


In the USA celebrities rarely if ever convicted. Keith would've rolled.

HEILOOBAAS Wrote:
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> The SHOULD have used Keith as an example.
> Celebrity justice, indeed. Just shows that
> everybody and every government has a price. Keith
> was guilty as sin.

Keith was guilty as sin? Guilty as sin of doing what, self medicating instead of going through some overpaid Quack Doctor being nothing more than a "legal" drug pusher for MERCK or PHIZER? So Keith found the drug that worked for him, he should go to jail for that? Look at Elvis, bowls full of not specifically medically needed meds but everything was kosher and legal cause he got them from his legal Pusher (AKA a Doctor) and they were all legal Pharmacutical drugs instead of street drugs. Yo HEILOOBAAS, how about a little analytical thinking por favor - think deeper than the top layer is my advice.....peel back those layers and you might be surprised...

HelterSkelter Wrote:
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The USA would have never acted the
> same (this HUMANE and understanding) and just
> thrown him in jail for about 10 to 20 years,
> acomplishing NOTHING (as usual).....

Eh, what?

Keith was fined for exactly what he had: a couple of ounces of hard drugs. They wanted to pin "trafficking" on him which was rediculous. Why would a guy who just earned a hundred million dollars want to traffic two ounces of heroin?

It's also 30 years ago, who gives a fvck.

Mathijs

Mathijs Wrote:
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> Keith was fined for exactly what he had: a couple
> of ounces of hard drugs. They wanted to pin
> "trafficking" on him which was rediculous. Why
> would a guy who just earned a hundred million
> dollars want to traffic two ounces of heroin?

I've always thought the same.

LA FORUM Wrote:
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> HelterSkelter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> The USA would have never acted the
> > same (this HUMANE and understanding) and just
> > thrown him in jail for about 10 to 20 years,
> > acomplishing NOTHING (as usual).....
>
> Eh, what?

Is that suppose to be funny eh? (I'm not Canadian, I'm an American who see's through all the Red, White, and Blue bullshit). We have the highest number of prisoners in the world (but far from the Highest population in the world - that would be CHINA and INDIA). So many of our prisoners are in jail for drugs, if MERCK or PHIZER push their drugs through a legal pusher (Doctor) all is well but God forbid some guy grows some pot plants and crosses the pharmacutical companies by selling the stuff himself - straight to jail dude, how dare you bypass MERCK - that's ALMOST Commie behavior !!!

"So Erotic, So Unpatriotic, so wrapped up in the American Flag" - Dylan



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You're treading on thin ice, HS. Chill out on the grandstanding, OK? It might force folks to remove their blinders.

I want to put my 2 cents in.....but I think I better pass on this one.

>> two ounces of heroin <<

the quantity involved was a little less than one ounce.

I remember a totally unsubstantiated rumour @ the time that Pierre Trudeau (the Canadian Prime Minister) wanted Keith busted as he believed that Keith had a fling with Pierre's wife, Margaret. The rumour went on that it was in fact Ronnie who had had the fling & not Keith.

I don't recall where I heard this piece of gossip & have never seen it mentioned further.

>> & have never seen it mentioned further. <<

LoFL: well, you've just changed that!
they got the chronology all wrong, as well as part of the alleged dramatis personae -
but all in all it was quite a busy week for the news & gossip reporters



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HelterSkelter Wrote:
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The USA would have never acted the
> same (this HUMANE and understanding) and just
> thrown him in jail for about 10 to 20 years,
> acomplishing NOTHING (as usual).....

Thats quite an asinine statement.

If Keith would have been busted for heroin in the US, they would have just asked for his autograph and let him go.
The Canadian government/police made a mountain out of a molehill,
and embarrassed Keith in the process. Shame on Canada!



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