We haven't had a good (if there is such a thing) list thread for quite some time, so here goes one!

The Rolling Stones are represented by 4 selections (as many here would predict, the "Golden Era" of BB thru Exile).

Would have been nice to see Ya-Ya's there as well. They include soundtracks, but apparently, no Live releases.

I haven't studied the list, and am not a huge fan of theirs, but I'm kinda surprised that no CCR releases appear. That's the main artist's ommission that caught my eye.

For the jazz fans, Dave Brubeck has a release on the list. I'm not a listener of jazz, so I don't know whether it's warranted or not. I'd be curious to hear comments on this entry.

The Definitie 200 is a joint promotion between NARM and the RR Hall of Fame. The Definitive 200 list was chosen by a committee within NARM, representing a cross-section of retailers from around the country. NARM is the trade association of music retailers, representing more than 7,000 physical outlets across the U.S., along with online stores. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a museum in Cleveland and a foundation in New York.

1. BEATLES-Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (1967)
2. PINK FLOYD-Dark Side Of The Moon (1973)
3. MICHAEL JACKSON-Thriller (1982)
4. LED ZEPPELIN-Led Zeppelin IV (1971)
5. U2-Joshua Tree (1987)
6. ROLLING STONES-Exile On Main Street (1972)
7. CAROLE KING-Tapestry (1971)
8. BOB DYLAN-Highway '61 Revisited (1965)
9. BEACH BOYS-Pet Sounds (1966)
10. NIRVANA-Nevermind (1991)
11. PEARL JAM-Ten (1991)
12. BEATLES-Abbey Road (1969)
13. SANTANA-Supernatural (1999)
14. METALLICA-Metallica (1991)
15. BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN-Born To Run (1975)
16. PRINCE-Purple Rain (1984)
17. AC/DC-Back In Black (1980)
18. ROLLING STONES-Let It Bleed (1969)
19. DOORS-Doors (1967)
20. GRATEFUL DEAD-American Beauty (1970)
21. SHANIA TWAIN-Come On Over (1997)
22. WHO-Who's Next (1971)
23. STEVIE WONDER-Songs In The Key Of Life (1976)
24. FLEETWOOD MAC-Rumours (1977)
25. PINK FLOYD-Wall (1979)
26. ALANIS MORISSETTE-Jagged Little Pill (1995)
27. NORAH JONES-Come Away With Me (2002)
28. EMINEM-Marshall Mathers Lp (2000)
29. OUTKAST-Speakerboxx-Love Below (2003)
30. DR. DRE-Chronic (1992)
31. BEASTIE BOYS-Licensed To Ill (1986)
32. GUNS 'N ROSES-Appetite For Destruction (1987)
33. DIXIE CHICKS-Wide Open Spaces (1998)
34. MILES DAVIS-Kind Of Blue (1959)
35. EAGLES-Hotel California (1976)
36. DEF LEPPARD-Hysteria (1987)
37. SOUNDTRACK-Grease (1980)
38. MARVIN GAYE-What's Going On (1978)
39. BEATLES-White Album (1968)
40. SOUNDTRACK-Saturday Night Fever (1977)
41. JIMI HENDRIX-Are You Experienced? (1967)
42. BEATLES-Revolver (1966)
43. BOSTON-Boston (1976)
44. BON JOVI-Slippery When Wet (1986)
45. U2-Achtung Baby (1991)
46. WHITNEY HOUSTON-Whitney Houston (1985)
47. LED ZEPPELIN-Led Zeppelin II (1969)
48. DAVE MATTHEWS BAND-Crash (1996)
49. ROLLING STONES-Sticky Fingers (1971)
50. GREEN DAY-Dookie (1994)
51. LED ZEPPELIN-Houses Of The Holy (1973)
52. JONI MITCHELL-Blue (1971)
53. ELVIS PRESLEY-Elvis At Sun (2004)
54. AEROSMITH-Toys In The Attic (1975)
55. LAURYN HILL-Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill (1998)
56. BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN-Born In The U.S.A. (1984)
57. 50 CENT-Get Rich Or Die Tryin' (2003)
58. AC/DC-Highway To Hell (1979)
59. NOTORIOUS B.I.G.-Life After Death (1997)
60. VAN HALEN-Van Halen (1978)
61. GREEN DAY-American Idiot (2004)
62. BLACK SABBATH-Paranoid (1971)
63. EMINEM-Eminem Show (2000)
64. JEWEL-Pieces Of You (1995)
65. COLDPLAY-Rush Of Blood To The Head (2002)
66. MEATLOAF-Bat Out Of Hell (1977)
67. USHER-Confessions (2004)
68. KID ROCK-Devil Without A Cause (1998)
69. GEORGE HARRISON-All Things Must Pass (1970)
70. BILLY JOEL-Stranger (1977)
71. EAGLES-Hell Freezes Over (1994)
72. VAN MORRISON-Moondance (1970)
73. REM-Automatic For The People (1992)
74. PHIL COLLINS-No Jacket Required (1985)
75. METALLICA-Master Of Puppets (1986)
76. FAITH HILL-Breathe (1999)
77. JOHNNY CASH-At Folsom Prison (1968)
78. JOHN COLTRANE-Love Supreme (1964)
79. PINK FLOYD-Wish You Were Here (1975)
80. MICHAEL JACKSON-Off The Wall (1979)
81. MARVIN GAYE-Let's Get It On (1973)
82. BOB SEGER-Night Moves (1976)
83. PAUL SIMON-Graceland (1986)
84. LINKIN PARK-Hybrid Theory (2000)
85. PRINCE-1999 (1983)
86. DEF LEPPARD-Pyromania (1983)
87. JANET JACKSON-Control (1986)
88. RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS-Blood Sugar Sex Magik (1991)
89. DIRE STRAITS-Brothers In Arms (1985)
90. TUPAC-All Eyez On Me (1996)
91. MATCHBOX TWENTY-Yourself Or Someone Like You (1996)
92. RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS-Californication (1999)
93. LED ZEPPELIN-Physical Graffiti (1975)
94. NELLY-Country Grammar (2000)
95. CREED-Human Clay (1999)
96. CLASH -London Calling (1979)
97. CELINE DION-Falling Into You (1996)
98. NEIL YOUNG-Harvest (1972)
99. SOUNDTRACK-Dirty Dancing (1987)
100. DIXIE CHICKS-Home (2002)
101. TOM PETTY-Full Moon Fever (1989)
102. VAN HALEN-1984 (1984)
103. SOUNDTRACK-Titanic (1997)
104. CROSBY STILLS & NASH-Deja Vu (1970)
105. TLC-Crazysexycool (1999)
106. BECK-Odelay (1994)
107. KENNY G-Breathless (1992)
108. NWA-Straight Outta Compton (1989)
109. SEX PISTOLS-Never Mind The Bollocks (1977)
110. BEATLES-Rubber Soul (1965)
111. RADIOHEAD-O.K. Computer (1997)
112. SIMON & GARFUNKEL-Bridge Over Trouble Water (1970)
113. DIXIE CHICKS-Fly (1999)
114. METALLICA-And Justice For All (1988)
115. MICHAEL JACKSON-Dangerous (1991)
116. MARIAH CAREY-Daydream (1995)
117. SOUNDTRACK-Top Gun (1999)
118. ELTON JOHN-Goodbye Yellow Brick Road (1973)
119. POLICE -Synchronicity (1983)
120. NO DOUBT-Tragic Kingdom (1995)
121. ROLLING STONES-Beggar's Banquet (1968)
122. R KELLY-R (1998)
123. TOOL-Lateralus (2001)
124. OASIS-What's The Story Morning Glory (1995)
125. BOB MARLEY-Exodus (1977)
126. JOURNEY-Escape (1981)
127. CHRISTINA AGUILERA-Christina Aguilera (1999)
128. JAY-Z-Blueprint (2001)
129. ALICIA KEYS-Diary Of Alicia Keys (2003)
130. SOUNDTRACK-O Brother Where Art Thou? (2000)
131. CARS-Cars (1978)
132. ENYA-Day Without Rain (2000)
133. NATALIE COLE-Unforgettable With Love Natalie Cole (1991)
134. SOUNDTRACK-Footloose (1984)
135. LIONEL RICHIE-Can't Slow Down (1983)
136. SARAH MCLACHLAN-Surfacing (1997)
137. BONNIE RAITT-Nick Of Time (1989)
138. METALLICA-Ride The Lightning (1984)
139. SHERYL CROW-Tuesday Night Music Club (1993)
140. FRANK SINATRA-In The Wee Small Hours (1954)
141. EARTH WIND FIRE-Gratitude (1975)
142. ZZ TOP-Eliminator (1983)
143. WILLIE NELSON-Red Headed Stranger (1975)
144. JOHN LENNON-Imagine (1971)
145. TONI BRAXTON-Toni Braxton (1993)
146. ETTA JAMES-At Last (1961)
147. ELVIS PRESLEY-Elvis Presley (1956)
148. CAT STEVENS-Tea For The Tillerman (1970)
149. SMASHING PUMPKINS-Mellon Collie & The Infinite Sadness (1995)
150. DAVE BRUBECK-Time Out (1959)
151. JANET JACKSON-Janet (1993)
152. QUEEN-A Night At The Opera (1975)
153. OZZY OSBOURNE-Blizzard Of Ozz (1980)
154. WILL SMITH-Big Willie Style (1997)
155. PRINCE-Sign Of The Times (1987)
156. PUBLIC ENEMY-It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back (1988)
157. BOB DYLAN-Blood On The Tracks (1975)
158. GEORGE MICHAEL-Faith (1987)
159. BOYZ II MEN-Cooleyhighharmony (1993)
160. DESTINY'S CHILD-Writing's On The Wall (1999)
161. JAY-Z-Black Album (2003)
162. AVRIL LAVIGNE-Let Go (2002)
163. FUGEES-Score (1996)
164. MADONNA-Like A Virgin (1984)
165. LED ZEPPELIN-Led Zeppelin (1969)
166. STEVIE RAY VAUGHN-Texas Flood (1983)
167. STONE TEMPLE PILOTS-Core (1992)
168. ORIGINAL CAST-Phantom Of The Opera Highlights (1988)
169. JETHRO TULL-Aqualung (1971)
170. TUPAC-Me Against The World (1995)
171. DAVID BOWIE-Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust (1972)
172. SHAKIRA-Laundry Service (2002)
173. SOUNDTRACK-Forrest Gump (2001)
174. AL GREEN-Call Me (1973)
175. CURTIS MAYFIELD-Superfly (1997)
176. LIVE-Throwing Copper (1994)
177. GEORGE BENSON-Breezin' (1976)
178. WHITE STRIPES-White Blood Cells (2001)
179. LYNYRD SKYNYRD-Pronounced Leh-Nerd Skin-Erd (1973)
180. SADE-Diamond Life (1984)
181. FLEETWOOD MAC-Fleetwood Mac (1975)
182. PAUL MCCARTNEY & WINGS-Band On The Run (1973)
183. BEYONCE-Dangerously In Love (2003)
184. ANITA BAKER-Rapture (1986)
185. NAS-Illmatic (1994)
186. BARBRA STREISAND-A Star Is Born (1976)
187. EARTH WIND FIRE-That's The Way Of The World (1975)
188. ANITA BAKER-Rhythm Of Love (1994)
189. JAY-Z-In My Lifetime Vol. 1 (1997)
190. LL COOL J-Mama Said Knock You Out (1990)
191. STEELY DAN-Aja (1977)
192. WILLIE NELSON-Stardust (1978)
193. ARETHA FRANKLIN-Sparkle (1976)
194. ANDREA BOCELLI-Andrea (2004)
195. BOB DYLAN-Bringing It All Back Home (1965)
196. LUTHER VANDROSS-Never Too Much (1981)
197. U2 -All That You Can'T Leave Behind (2000)
198. RUSH-2112 (1976)
199. OUTKAST-Aquemini (1998)
200. GRAND FUNK RAILROAD-We'Re An American Band (1973)

Sticky Fingers only 49 - DISGRACEFUL!!!

Well Leon Russell's album, Carney, is omitted



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I see the Eagle's "Hell Freezes Over" is on the list....isn't that a live album?


Like with any list there are some questionable entries.....but there are some great entries too.

Lukester Wrote:
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> I see the Eagle's "Hell Freezes Over" is on the
> list....isn't that a live album?
>
>
> Like with any list there are some questionable
> entries.....but there are some great entries too.


I missed that one. In that case, I don't take the exclusion of Ya-Ya's so easily.

The do have a pretty good cross section - and like you say, about 1/3 of the list is very debatable.

I know this list was not done with us in mind but------3 Dixie Chick albums before Beggars Banquet? Was this list sales driven? I guess in part it has to be. But------ Cheers Y'all

5string Wrote:
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> I Was this list sales driven? I guess in
> part it has to be.

Maybe, but in that case Exile and Highway 61 woulnt be in the top ten. Definite;y there for all the right reasons.

Yet another tired, pointless list made up of the predictable,the unbelievable and the downright bullshit. Many great works in there doubtless but we already know them anyway.
When these albums are repackaged they'll carry a little sticker saying "A Definitive 200 Classic as voted by NARM" or similar.
Any list such as this that contains the soundtrack to 'Titanic' and omits someone like Scott Walker imo is compiled by people who may be able to spew sales figures but really don't know much about music.

Sorry just had to get that off my chest.

"I'll be in my basement room with a needle and a spoon."

This is a strange list. The first half, although curious in points, seems to go the usual route following the "art", then the second half seems only sales derived. I mean...Creed, Live, Will Smith ???

"...no longer shall you trudge 'cross my peaceful mind."

I read this article in the paper. Even the writer acknowledged the omission of "Blonde On Blonde" and "Live At The Apollo". WTF?

ChelseaDrugstore Wrote:
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> This is a strange list. The first half, although
> curious in points, seems to go the usual route
> following the "art", then the second half seems
> only sales derived. I mean...Creed, Live, Will
> Smith ???


the first half isnt sales derived? Well over half of the top 25 have sold over 10 million copies and it includes pretty much every studio album thats sold over 20 million

ROLLINGSTONE Wrote:
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> Yet another tired, pointless list made up of the
> predictable,the unbelievable and the downright
> bullshit. Many great works in there doubtless but
> we already know them anyway.
> When these albums are repackaged they'll carry a
> little sticker saying "A Definitive 200 Classic as
> voted by NARM" or similar.
> Any list such as this that contains the soundtrack
> to 'Titanic' and omits someone like Scott Walker
> imo is compiled by people who may be able to spew
> sales figures but really don't know much about
> music.
>
> Sorry just had to get that off my chest.

glad ya did.
list is nonsense for the most part, which i guess WmMiller warned about from the start;
...still, i find it silly in historical context, and artistic resonance...shameful if one thinks about it much, which i won't.
they're bound to get some good ones in there on a list of 200 but man, the order and most of the selections...nahhh...just say no.

How come people to make such lists???

No Kinks? It's an outrage!!

Zack Wrote:
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> No Kinks? It's an outrage!!

Zack, why would you need anything from the Kinks catalog when we've got Jewel there so highly placed, bringing us all that great and deep writing, the unbelievable juxtaposition of lyrical poetry and incredible melody she is so famous for...not to mention her many years of groundbreaking excitement as a stage performer and master innovative hit artist. for decades...i mean, really Zack...we've still got Jewel to rely on...why live in the past with your sense of outrage...snap out of it...sigh....

yeah Zack.....what have you got against Jewel, or the song crafting wizards,Boyz II Men?

Jewel is NOT in the list, and if she is: she is not.