Do you think that Michael Jackson's ownership of the Beatles song rights degrades them at all?

ALLEN klien owns the rights along with the stones but jackson own's the beatles 100%! what do you think is better?

No, because they sound exactly the same to me.

I personally couldnt give a f**k if theyre owned by Michael Jackson, Michael Jordan or Michael Palin.

The music is the only thing I care about. If McCartney and Yoko are unhappy with Jackson buying them out (and it was only Northern Songs as far as I know, which is only the Lennon-McCartney material), thats their problem for not taking care of their business interests properly despite both of them having more money than God.

The Stones had less say in ABCKO's ownership of their material than the Beatles have had, but it still doesnt affect the music. If Jagger and Richards wanted to buy ABCKO out badly enough, they have enough money to do so. Its their problem.



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>> If Jagger and Richards wanted to buy ABKCO out badly enough, they have enough money to do so. <<

how do you know that, Gazza? has ABKCO mentioned a price?

Contemplatin'the immortality of Mr Klein,
I googled up this basic site about his position etc
[www.songwritershalloffame.org]

Money is not the problem for buying their rights back. Maybe Jagger and Richards don't want to buy their songs back. In their eyes it is already their property and simply don't want to buy Klein en co. out. Pride and stubborn. Just a theory.

Gazza Wrote:
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> No, because they sound exactly the same to me.
>
> I personally couldnt give a f**k if theyre owned
> by Michael Jackson, Michael Jordan or Michael
> Palin.
>
> The music is the only thing I care about....

I agree with your entire post 100%, Gazza.
The only way I would care would be if I owned them.

Can someone clarify the whole Klein thing for me? I've never quite understood it - they have mutual ownership with Klein? I would assume so.

Melbourne Herald Sun - 7 March 2007



ROCKMAN

>> Can someone clarify the whole Klein thing for me? <<

i don't think anyone outside of the Stones/ABKCO knows the details of the settlement they finally reached,
but basically Klein owns the rights to the Stones' catalogue through 1970
(which includes some numbers on Sticky Fingers and Exile); the Stones themselves own the later catalog.
the songwriters still get the songwriting royalties from the numbers ABKCO owns, but
ABKCO owns the copyrights on the recordings and the publishing rights to the original material.
it looks like the Stones retain some other rights as well (eg having something to say about
the licensing of the music for films, adverts, etc).

if you're interested in the different kinds of licensing/rights, here's a pretty interesting outline
of how it normally works: [entertainment.howstuffworks.com]
the article on music royalties is also pretty enlightening: [entertainment.howstuffworks.com]



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with sssoul Wrote:
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> >> If Jagger and Richards wanted to buy ABKCO out
> badly enough, they have enough money to do so. <<
>
> how do you know that, Gazza? has ABKCO mentioned
> a price?


With a collective worth of about a billion dollars, I'd imagine they have enough ready cash to table him an offer he cant refuse. IF they wanted to.

Baboon Bro Wrote:
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> Contemplatin'the immortality of Mr Klein,
> I googled up this basic site about his position
> etc
> [www.songwritershalloffame.org]
> nt_detail.asp?ceremonyId=27&awardRecipientId=154


Klein's age and mortality isnt that crucial a factor. His son Jody is heavily involved in ABCKO (he oversaw the 2002 remaster series) so this belief that many have that once Klein pops his clogs everything will suddenly be OK in Stonesland doesnt really hold a lot of water, unfortunately

I take the simplistic view:

My favourite beer producers changed owner 5 years ago,it still tastes as good today. The music SOUNDS the same to me whoever 'owns' it. Just see people like Klein and Jackson as custodians. To the little guy on the street such things don't make a difference to our day to day life.

"I'll be in my basement room with a needle and a spoon."

>> With a collective worth of about a billion dollars, I'd imagine
they have enough ready cash to table him an offer he cant refuse IF they wanted to. <<

maybe, but it's not necessarily only a question of what they want.
(and for the record: the 2006 Sunday Times Rich List had Jagger's + Richards' combined worth
at about 385 million GBP, which is ... calculatecalculate ... about 250 million short of a billion dollars)

Theyve earned a few sheckels since then, sssoulie!

I know what you mean, though. Point being, if THEY want the exclusive rights so much, put their money where their mouth is and make an offer. Klein could well turn it down (and for all we know may have already done so) - could also be that maybe they simply dont feel that buying them is worth what it'll cost. Which is a reasonable enough point.

>> could also be that maybe <<

yeah - actually all kinds of things could be, maybe. for example it could be that maybe
it might piss you off pretty maximally to think too much about paying huge sums
to buy your own work from someone who ripped you off so blithely and brutally. grr



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I couldnt care less either
I like the music
so i listen to it

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