well, I really like their 63-66 stuff!--including "Buttons"
Lost them in their Satanic-period
was unsatiesfied with "Beggars", when i heard it fist time
Years later--i think--its one of the best they had done.
but what a diffence--between Aftermath
and beggars

Some call it a progress...

- Doxa

maybe---but the 63-66 period was their peak

...as a pop band, but times changed and so did the stones.

i just say---Not fade away--i wanna be your man---Its all over now--Tell me
the last time--cloud---breakdown--Paint it black--Satisfacton--Ruby tuesday
and so on and on

I hate between the buttons.Because of that I don't know if I should buy more from the early records.No comparison with BB.

>> I don't know if I should buy more from the early records <<

doubt no further: buy more of the early records. better yet: buy ALL of the early records!
start with Aftermath, Now!, Out of Our Heads [UK] and the first album - and then you'll require them all.
i love Buttons and Satanic Majesties, but they're a bit of a sidestep from their earlier LPs.

There is little in the band's discography that prepares you for Beggars Banquent. IMO it's the band's masterpiece. It is a fully realized mature work. It is at once sparse and richly produced. It's an inspired work created from the inside out with an almost complete lack of self consciousness. The band's eye is not on the mirror here, or the audience or the critics. If there were any Stones sessions I would have liked to witness, it would be the BB sessions. Each song draws you in and has a life of its own.

Perhaps the time spent playing with the nobs in the studio on TSMR paid off with BB. Musically, it is an album coming 180 degrees in the opposite direction but its production values are exquisite and dramatic.

BTW: Dear Doctor is as good a song as Jagger/Richards ever wrote. There is not a word out of place. The storytelling is humorous, playful, clear and concise. It is a song written in a particulur mode. There is no way the condescending and vaguely mean spirited "Far Away Eyes" compares.

you hate "buttons"?

Connection--she smileyd sweetly-- backstreet girl
and so on---love this album

wow....pmk.....that was beautiful, and I agree with you, though I've never been able to articulate my thoughts as well as you just did. I especially liked your comments about Dear Doctor.

Between The Buttons is a wonderful album because I love that English sound and style they had at the time. If that’s not your thing though, you may not like it. It’s an album very much of its time and place and yes, in a way it’s dated because of it. See it for what it is and when it was recorded though, and then I think you have a mini-classic of sorts.

I have partially disagree about Dear Doctor. I do think that it is better than Far Away eyes. The sound is better and the story it tells is more thought out. However, The voice Mick Uses and the lyrics IMO are poking fun at the genre the same way 'Eyes' Does.

Between the Buttons is a classic, but Andrew Oldham's production marred it.

First of all I love them all till 72 (after that I do have some remarks) must admit that Between the Buttons when I first heard it sound a bit strange compare to the record before and after, I do think they created this album in a rush in between there drugs addicts, but I love it although it's not in my CD player all the time.

BTW, pmk251 if I had to join one of the recordings sessions I go for Nellcote (with my naked butt in the south of France) and then BB to see Brian Jones.

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buttons a seriously great stones album: all sold out, my obsession...
major, Majorly great songs (and performances) all thru that one...
as for the various personal and creative reasons for change, progression, movement, etc...well, they're being covered nicely here...
another aspect: oldham's last stand as producer was 'buttons' (i believe...)
then it was onto jimmy.

well--release date--of "buttons"20th of janurary 1967
beggars 6th of december1968

and nowadays????

Officially, Andrew produced TSMR, even though he was absent for a lot of the recording sessions... essentially they produced it themselves.

What would have happend had they not got Jimmy Miller? Hmmm...

it's_all_wrong Wrote:
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> Between the Buttons is a classic, but Andrew
> Oldham's production marred it.


I don't think it would've made a difference whoever produced it. It is the songs themselves as much as anything which makes it seem dated. They sound like they were recorded in 1967, but I don't see anything wrong with that.

I think Andrew ruined Aftermath more than Buttons by including Goin Home on it. A middling, 11 minute blues number did not belong on Aftermath!

Don't tell my sister that Going Home don't belong on aftermath

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I like "Going home"--on after
math

Nico said:
"Don't tell my sister Going Home don't belong on Aftermath"



Damn I just did Nico...she just left my house....when I walked her to the door and helped her get her coat I said, "Going Home doesn't belong on Aftermath." Was that wrong? Should I apologize?



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2007-01-25 02:13 by Lukester.

between the buttons is my least favorite of the pre-beggars albums... its the poppiest album of them all..and in a bad way..

Yeah Lukester everytime I played Aftermath she ask for Going Home and then I say "you are just here"

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ha ha ha ha

I never compare masterpieces, time and age make you change, so theres no point in this silly post
compare beggars to dirty work>>

ach--Steffiestones
I meant--1,8 years to do so different albums---and satanic just between

pmk251 Wrote:
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> There is little in the band's discography that
> prepares you for Beggars Banquent. IMO it's the
> band's masterpiece. It is a fully realized mature
> work. It is at once sparse and richly produced.
> It's an inspired work created from the inside out
> with an almost complete lack of self
> consciousness. The band's eye is not on the
> mirror here, or the audience or the critics. If
> there were any Stones sessions I would have liked
> to witness, it would be the BB sessions. Each
> song draws you in and has a life of its own.
>
> Perhaps the time spent playing with the nobs in
> the studio on TSMR paid off with BB. Musically,
> it is an album coming 180 degrees in the opposite
> direction but its production values are exquisite
> and dramatic.
>
> BTW: Dear Doctor is as good a song as
> Jagger/Richards ever wrote. There is not a word
> out of place. The storytelling is humorous,
> playful, clear and concise. It is a song written
> in a particulur mode. There is no way the
> condescending and vaguely mean spirited "Far Away
> Eyes" compares.



Nice post.....agree with every word you say. Also not a single filler ... 10 complete songs. Lyrically, Beggars Banquet remains unmatched.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-01-25 04:54 by wanderingspirit66.

yes pmk; sensitive analysis and wonderful post. ty.

In Betweens the Buttons there's a touch from Beatles(who I don't like) and generally it sounds too much like '60s.I'll go for their early work.Better Aftermath rather than Undercover and albums like that.