..... or assuming that the European tour (what's left of it) goes off without a hitch etc etc, will they recover and still have a healthy chance of leaving a good solid largely untarnished legacy ?

My own view is that right at this moment in time, there's a fair amount of "disgruntlement" in the air so to say. Perhaps if all European shows go off without a hitch and everyone's grinning like idiots once again (including THEM), all this recent palaver will be looked back upon as having been a storm in a teacup and the Stones machine will be back on track. I hope so, it would be a shame were it to be otherwise.

their legacy has been put in the vault for the past 25 years or so anyway. nothing can enhance or tarnish it at this late juncture.....

StonesTod Wrote:
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> their legacy has been put in the vault for the
> past 25 years or so anyway. nothing can enhance or
> tarnish it at this late juncture.....

Yes, bearing in mind that the music is 50,000 times more important than logistics f*** ups, that's a very fair comment

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

the Stones have been slammed and tarnished since the beginning...

1960's

would you let your daughter marry a rolling stone??
we piss anywhere man
we dont care about your petty morals
ALTAMONTE

1970's

drugs drugs drugs
DISCO (stones sell out)

1980's

the break up years...

1990's

its all over now they are tooo @#$%& OLD!!

2000 and beyond...

now they are really too @#$%& old...
ticket prices are INSANE they are just in it for the money greed old bastards
more rehab for ronnie
keef keef keef when will you grow up haaa


i've been listening to negative crap about the Stones for over 30 years... just ignore all the bullshit and really listen to the music its really all that matters and all that will be left years from now... and the music speaks for itself, the Stones legacy is ROCK SOLID in that respect haaa

i've heard this "threatened legacy" notion before and find it devoid of meaning.
when you listen to the early albums, you can hear the whole freakin avalanche of what's coming.
there's nothing that can "tarnish" that.


"What do you want - what?!"
- Keith

with sssoul Wrote:
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> i've heard this "threatened legacy" notion before
> and find it devoid of meaning.
> when you listen to the early albums, you can hear
> the whole freakin avalanche of what's coming.
> there's nothing that can "tarnish" that.

True in part. What I was really getting at is how the events of today offer potential for tarnishing peoples memories of the Stones. I think it would be fair to say there IS potential there, I was just expressing the hope that if the European tour goes off without a hitch - that potential wouldn't actually be fully realised. Get me ?

oh well, if you're talking about something other than the music, there's not much tarnish that can be thrown onto this money-grubbing machine anymore....

Oh, I sure do hope their legacy has been tarnished; Maybe then I'll be able to finally get some decent tickets.

Rune

absolutely NO...what a ridiculous question..

stoned_in_dc Wrote:
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> absolutely NO...what a ridiculous question..

Why so ? A legacy is what they leave behind them after they're gone. That includes memories, that WE have of THEM. No dispute about the music, but they're leaving a fair bit else in their wake too, some of it not necessarily what they might like to be remembered for. I'd personally like them to go out in a blaze of glory. That does include a tour that involves less in the way of cancellations, postonements, confusion, poor PR, and general buggering about - the likes of which has prevailed in abundance since the Asia/Pacific leg of the current tour ended. Stumbling their way through a badly mauled European tour and then possibly fizzling out in anything other than a truly "grand style" is not the way I'd like to see them end their days as a touring band. I shouldn't imagine it's the way they'd like to exit the stage either. So I'm REALLY keeping my fingers crossed for Europe 2007.

But what's a cancelled/messed up tour in a 40 years carreer? Seriously, this is a ridiculous question!

with sssoul Wrote:
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> i've heard this "threatened legacy" notion before
> and find it devoid of meaning.


It is devoid of meaning, it's just an empty topic that sparks a lot of debate. You can argue about it for days on end and not say anything of meaning at all.

THe longer a band is a working band, the more chances to "tarnish" a legacy. And all the "disgruntlement" in Europe will cease to exist the minute the Stones definitely are no more.

Trouble is to the stones as a bee is to honey!! Looking back, it amazes me all that they've been through, and survived. It just adds to their legacy.

at this point i enjoy the press confs more than the shows, better entertainment
for me and more spontanious, ie the cookie cutter setlists for the most part,
not all of it

<<<< It is devoid of meaning, it's just an empty topic that sparks a lot of debate. You can argue about it for days on end and not say anything of meaning at all >>>>>>

Kind of sums up most activity on this and any other message board then really ?

well if the stones would get theyre arses back on stage we could start getting
interesting again

No, it would only be tarnished if they played the Superbowl!

oh wait . . .

it certainly hasn't enhanced their legacy.

nikkibong Wrote:
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> No, it would only be tarnished if they played the
> Superbowl!
>
> oh wait . . .

or had a cheesey song become the theme on a cheesey soap opera....


....oh wait again!