Before I make my point, allow me to say that I am not an easy sell.

Of course I think the big 4, or 5, were alltime greats, and like everyone else on this board I fell in love with the Stones a long time ago.

That being said, I have found anything from SW onward to be OK at best. Interesting, yes...listenable...of course. But just not great.

The 4 new tracks from Live Licks bored me to tears and I thought the boys were done, at least as far as new stuff goes.

Then came ABB.

After 3 weeks of 5 hour a day scrutiny, I am astonished that this thing gets better and better. And just like EOMS, which I thought was over-rated and then realized was pure genius...it gets better and better and better.

So here is the crazy statement: in 50 years ABB, just maybe, will be held in the same regard as EOMS.

don't be so stupid

its a good album. but its no Exile

I totally agree with you, Bianca!

It's not the great songs - it's the whole album, leaving a "That's it"-feeling!


Truth is stranger than fiction

stoned greetings
G. The Cock

Remember what I've posted a couple of weeks ago, Andy. Of course it's no Exile, but maybe it'll get the Exile of it's time then! We aren't living in 1972 nowadays!


Truth is stranger than fiction

stoned greetings
G. The Cock

Exile was no EXILE back in 1972 either...

YES, Richard, that's one part of the thing that I've meaned!


Truth is stranger than fiction

stoned greetings
G. The Cock

Oh, come off it bianca, most of the riffs on ABB are trite and recycled and easy to tire of. The first track has nothing memorable, guitar-wise.

The album hardly breaks any new ground at all. Infact none. It's fairly innoffensive and mostly easy-listening. Sort-of Stones to-order.

And nor is your proclamation that controversial. Many here have been hailing it as some sort of second-coming. I saw that coming!

I agree Bianca, don't listen to andy js. I would never call anyone stupid for stating their opinion. ABB is amazing and will surely seem like a masterpiece in the years to come.

ABB is a marvellous album.

Four Stone Walls says: "Oh, come off it bianca, most of the riffs on ABB are trite and recycled and easy to tire of. The first track has nothing memorable, guitar-wise."

Oh, yes. Like All Down The Line, Dance Little Sister, Lies, All The Way Down and 25 "recycled" riffs of other Stones diamonds. Gimme a break...

Put it this way -- if you were on a desert island, which record would you rather have with you, ABB or EOMS?

I like ABB, but I could go the rest of my life without ever having to hear it again.

Can't say the same about Exile. Couldn't even comprehend life without it.







-- Keep on rollin'. Keep on. Keep on. Keep on. --

Attention: Andy and Four Stone Walls (my poor, unimaginative comrades).

Let me type slower this time, to make it easier to comprehend.

Are you suggesting that 3 weeks after EOMS was released, you would have understood its' greatness? if you are, then you are both lying through your teeth.

The point I wanted to make, is that like EOMS, ABB doesn't tire after 100 listens, the way their 1989-1997 work did.

ABB, at this very early stage...has shown me that it has a depth and a sincerity ...that may allow it to enter a future list of alltime greats.

PS- Four Stone Walls...do you consider Laugh I nearly Died, to use but 1 example, to be simply "innofensive" and "easy" to listen to? If that song doesn't move you to tears then I suggest you don't appreciate genius.

bianca Wrote:
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> Attention: Andy and Four Stone Walls (my poor,
> unimaginative comrades).
>
> Let me type slower this time, to make it easier to
> comprehend.
>
> Are you suggesting that 3 weeks after EOMS was
> released, you would have understood its'
> greatness? if you are, then you are both lying
> through your teeth.
>
> The point I wanted to make, is that like EOMS, ABB
> doesn't tire after 100 listens, the way their
> 1989-1997 work did.
>
> ABB, at this very early stage...has shown me that
> it has a depth and a sincerity ...that may allow
> it to enter a future list of alltime greats.


Right on bianca! ABB has legs! I'm picking up on new things with each listen. It's a vibrant collection and becoming a classic in my opinion. I now think it's much better than VL, possibly better than TY, and thus has potential to make the Big 5 into the Big 6!

Bianca, you are so dead on its scary. Im amazed at this album. I have been listening to it non-stop for 3 weeks and it keeps getting better. I do think this album will some day be regarded from stones fans as one of their greats.

and I also dont give high remarks to their albums. I basically think everything after Tattoo was spotty. To me, this one really delivers( and I dont care about the sales figures- the fact that a 43 year old band makes the charts alone with new material is impressive-Was Sinatra( a @#$%& legend if anyone was) making the top 10 with new material 43 years after he started? If he did, I dont remember. The reality is that kids dont like their parents music for the most part, and the stones are their parents music. My 16 year old nephew wouldnt buy the stones because he does not like rock and roll- its rap crap, and thats the reality. THIS ALBUM ROCKS

jumpinjackgreg Wrote:
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> I would never call anyone stupid for stating their opinion.


Of course you would. If someone told you that her opinion of the Stones is that they've not made a single album worthy of rock'n'roll . . . what would you say?

a) Everyone's entitled to her opinion
b) I'll have to give that idea some serious thought
c) You can't be f_ckin serious, or . . .
d) I'm not talking about the kind of clothes she wears . . .

EOMS and ABB? Be serious. Crazy statement? Yes.



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Its so funny that people forget that Exile was basically considered their shittiest album besides Satanic Majesties until about 1975 or 1976.

Am I saying ABB is Exile. No, but Im saying its a great stones album for 2005

I wish people would stop saying "it's not Exile".

We already have Exile.........the one. Thats what makes it special. It has
it's own sound and feel

There is only one Let It Bleed, with its own unique feel and sound

There is only one Beggars

Only one Aftermath

Only one Some Girls

Only one Tattoo

Only one Ya-Ya's

and only one of whatever album they made that moves you.

It's the individuality that makes them special, makes them what they are. I don't want forced "retreads" of songs

There is only one Bigger Bang, with it's own feel and sound.

I think "Bang" is a really good album by this band. Period. No comparisons needed.

Milo, NYC
It's you that wrote the song

you summed it up perfectly Milo.

Milo Yammbag Wrote:
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> I wish people would stop saying "it's not Exile".
>
> We already have Exile.........the one. Thats
> what makes it special. It has
> it's own sound and feel
>
> There is only one Let It Bleed, with its own
> unique feel and sound

Is that the remastered one? Or the other one?

> There is only one Beggars

Is that the one with the toilet on the cover? Or the other one?
>
> Only one Aftermath

Is that the one with PIB? Or the other one? (jk)



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You can repackage the appearence and try to dress it up with technology but the music stays the same.

Milo, NYC
I hear the inner shout

bianca,hello.i posted a very similar post myself when i said 3 weeks ago,in time almost everyone will say this record is a classic,it is a great album.definetly up there with anything they have ever done.and i disagree with anyone that says the album doesn't break any new ground,listen no further than "laugh i nearly died"that sounds so refreshing(and what vocals)let me down slow,brilliant,driving to fast etc.sure the album(a good part of it)sounds like the stones,whose it suppose to sound like?bottom line,great music and playing,and best lyrics since iorr album in 75.

john scialfa

Milo Yammbag Wrote:
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> You can repackage the appearence and try to dress
> it up with technology but the music stays the
> same.
>
> Milo, NYC



Uhm, paper is technology, So is ink.

And unless the Stones are playing their music without instruments or electricity, then their music is the product of technology.

Simply put, the music does not stay the same.

Don't believe me?

Ask Muddy, . . . the day he went electric.

I like it better than Exile. I think it's stronger overall. There's nothing like 'Turd On The Run' on this new album for me.

heyheymymyitb Wrote:
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> There's nothing like 'Turd On The Run' on
> this new album for me.


Taking that comment in the opposite direction that it was intended, Exactly.

bianca Wrote:
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> >
> The point I wanted to make, is that like EOMS, ABB
> doesn't tire after 100 listens, the way their
> 1989-1997 work did.
>
> ABB, at this very early stage...has shown me that
> it has a depth and a sincerity ...that may allow
> it to enter a future list of alltime greats.
>
>

The two above statements are really the crux of your argument, if I may be so bold... It's standing up to repeated listenings (and rotating favorites, in my case) is good evidence that it will stand the test of time. Of the most recent albums, the one that came closest was Voodoo Lounge, but it didn't stand up like ABB. It doesn't swing and have an organic cohesiveness like ABB. It's a tall order, to be sure, to stand with EOM in its greatness, but alas it may be another generation's decision, not ours...

first of all - 3 weeks is not nearly enough time to judge any album.

having said that, it's utter blasphemy to utter the letters ABB and EOMS in the same breath.

StonesTod Wrote:
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> first of all - 3 weeks is not nearly enough time
> to judge any album.
>
> having said that, it's utter blasphemy to utter
> the letters ABB and EOMS in the same breath.


Yes, but so at one time was proclaiming that the earth was round blasphemy.

bigbang Wrote:
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> StonesTod Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > first of all - 3 weeks is not nearly enough
> time
> > to judge any album.
> >
> > having said that, it's utter blasphemy to
> utter
> > the letters ABB and EOMS in the same breath.
>
>
> Yes, but so at one time was proclaiming that the
> earth was round blasphemy.


Not among scientists, just the clergy. The Greeks knew it was round.

No way is it better than Exile. It's a great album for sure, but it's not better than Exile. In fact I'd say it's not in the same class as any of the big four - Beggar's, Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers, Exile.

To me it belongs in the next tier of Stones albums - classics, just not as good as the big four (and really, there aren't more than a handful of albums by any artist that are as good as the big four). I would rank them this way (studio albums only):

The Big Four
1. Sticky Fingers (by a nose)
2. Exile
3. Let It Bleed
4. Beggar's Banquet

Classics
5. Some Girls
6. A Bigger Bang
7. Tattoo You

Lesser Classics
8. It's Only Rock 'N' Roll
9. Bridges To Babylon
10. Black And Blue
11. Voodoo Lounge
12. Dirty Work

The rest are hit and miss IMO - about 50% songs I like and 50% songs I don't care if I ever hear again.

That they can even make an album as good as A Bigger Bang in 2005 is amazing. It really does hold up well under repeated listenings (all except Streets of Love, the one song I don't like; I burned a version of the album without it). A Bigger Bang is a classic and will be regarded as so 30 years from now. I have to make sure I stick around 30 more years so I can gloat when I'm proven right!

ohnonotyouagain Wrote:
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> No way is it better than Exile. It's a great album
> for sure, but it's not better than Exile. In fact
> I'd say it's not in the same class as any of the
> big four - Beggar's, Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers,
> Exile.
>
> To me it belongs in the next tier of Stones albums
> - classics, just not as good as the big four (and
> really, there aren't more than a handful of albums
> by any artist that are as good as the big four). I
> would rank them this way (studio albums only):
>
> The Big Four
> 1. Sticky Fingers (by a nose)
> 2. Exile
> 3. Let It Bleed
> 4. Beggar's Banquet
>
> Classics
> 5. Some Girls
> 6. A Bigger Bang
> 7. Tattoo You
>
> Lesser Classics
> 8. It's Only Rock 'N' Roll
> 9. Bridges To Babylon
> 10. Black And Blue
> 11. Voodoo Lounge
> 12. Dirty Work
>
> The rest are hit and miss IMO - about 50% songs I
> like and 50% songs I don't care if I ever hear
> again.
>
> That they can even make an album as good as A
> Bigger Bang in 2005 is amazing. It really does
> hold up well under repeated listenings (all except
> Streets of Love, the one song I don't like; I
> burned a version of the album without it). A
> Bigger Bang is a classic and will be regarded as
> so 30 years from now. I have to make sure I stick
> around 30 more years so I can gloat when I'm
> proven right!

Thanks for giving us this new can of worms (lol)

camper88 Wrote:
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> Thanks for giving us this new can of worms
> (lol)
>

No problem, that's what I'm here for