I mean remember the old syaing they came for the jews but I was not a jew and did nothing
They came for tyhe blacks but I was not a black and did nothing et etc

then they came for me and no one was left to defend me
So if you are going tp preach against censorship to the choir whqt is the point?

NFL 212-681-7599 Fax number or call 2124502000

there have been over 2000 raeding toO ak Ridge Post post imagine if 1/3 0r 1/2 called or faxed

They know it represents a lot more then that,

So stop complaining unless action is taken


If not move on and accept thee voices are louder then ours

Sadly

You guys are getting way too worked up about this. The Stones already have a contract with the NFL. Its not gonna be shelved because a few people want to censor the Stones.

I'm "conservative" or whatever you wanna call it, but I'm a hardcore fan. I can tell you with complete conviction that anyone who would boycott/censor the Stones is not someone who matters anyways. They wouldnt buy the cd to begin with.

you´re a neo con drake?

Are you suprised? I may be young but that doesnt automatically throw me into the lib/dem camp. I think the public school system in the US is in pisspoor shape and needs reform. I'm for small government but support the military, roads, expansion of communication networks, etc... The government has a role and its to support the society, not control it. Socialism sucks. I'm also very pro-life and suprised by how much of the world isnt.

"If you can read this you werent aborted."

Chicago and Columbus... mere weeks... w0000000!!!!

Pro-life; is that supposed to mean Against abortions.

Lucky you I dont comment on that.

Censorship is a very tricky issue. At first glance it would appear the Oak Ridge Boys are attempting to censor Jagger's political comments from the new song. Well, if you attack the ORB for their view and you wish to shut them down...you are attempting to censor their point of view. It's a circular debate that has no end in sight. Jagger has the right to bash the right and the right has the right to defend itself.

But people in democratic countries ought to speak very low about boycotting, prohibiting, censor etc others voices;
that´s nazi & commie deeds.

Liberal groups routinely boycott institutions they feel do not fall in line with their needs....I also think boycotting is a drastic measure.

drake Wrote:
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> I'm
> also very pro-life and suprised by how much of the
> world isnt.
>
>

The US remains the only western democracy that practices capital punishment. Somehow that supposed to be a pro-life policy....

T&A

If you cannot see the difference between a muderer after years of appeals and the taking of aheart beating innnocent fetus we have nothing to talk about.

If you say it is not a life what is it at he very least a potiential life heart at early stage heart beating it is not a decayed tooth

If stopping heart beat does not bother you what can I say

I am not for outlawing it because it is a moral issue not a leagal one. and would solve nothing

Also look if eveyone feels that we are making too big a deal out of NFL issue then why the major response?

Lets forget it.

At the orphanages of Romania the consequences of this Pro-Life
mislead creeds can be seen... 10,000:s of parentless children,
often lying in their own peeing and excrements. That´s pro-life for you.
To not be an -ist or not be a fundamentalist; thats pro life for me.

you right Bab better to kill them from the onset

Tht is a quality of life argument

funny that is what Nazi's used has an excuse to kill handicaped and old people

I did not know you were in agreement with them!

How about birth control and responsiblity and choicing to sleep with people resonsibly

NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

That makes too much sense.

Let people make up there own minds about various issues. Personally I support both capital punishment and the right for women to have an abortion. If the parents don't want to have a @#$%& kid the government shouldn't be able to force them to do so. It's all possible in the Land of the Free, the Home of the Brave. United States of America.

I just find it hyprocritical to be a so-called pro-lifer and be in favor of capital punishment. life is life - yes, even for a convicted, confessed murderer. i don't see the difference.

wow!
being against abortion but in favor of death sentence!

you are full of shit!

it`s hard to believe how stupid and crazy many people are in the states.
i thought thats an arrogant european view, but as it seems, it`s true
this nation is built on an ignorant and stupid population headed by an analphabetic son of rich parents. and this nation is proud of itself.
disgusting, embarrasing but on the other side nearly funny.

the livesavers are also the killers of doctors who do abortion

And the Goverment does not force them to not wear protection or be responsible

or use common sense when having sex, That is where real reproductio rights come in not after the fact. With all the birth control come on........ And other type of sex hint hint

A person does not become pregnant by breathing in air
But I agree the Goverment should stay out of it
But stop acting like there are not many choices mafe prior to most prenancies

that could have avoided the situation all together

Can we have some rspect fpr a growing taking in nutrition heart beating Featus is this too much too ask?

Romania is ruled by the pope.
There we go again with the unhappy mix of religion and politics.
I didnt say let´s kill´em;
but take a good look at many of the Romanian children at an orphanage,
and I promise that you will have a deep reconsideration.



...take a good loke at the pics, cause I will remove at least four of them soon.

One of all the links I´ve found: [www.aegis.com].
In the name of justice I´d say many Christian organizations are helping in Romania.

You learn much by visiting Tell Me. I have now, for example.
I´ve done some research now:
More than 80,000 Romanian children live like this.
Many of them carries hiv and/or aids.
The problem with youngsters and children living homeless in the streets is
also huge.

I say the women have the heaviest words on this;
the loadest voices on this tends tend to be old and young men.

I have five kids and I´m glad I didnt put any of them away.
But that hasnt anything to do with what I think of pro-life.

Privately I´m with the Irish in the well-known tune: "Every sperm is sacred".

(This is my last contribution in this thread unless I´m not explicitly attacked.)

PS. And yes, use common sense. DS.



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But what if there was a state somewhere in the world that would not allow birth control methods to be taught to the young people? Are they in that case responsible for not using any of the methods they were not aware of? And furthermore, what if some state would consider it immoral (or whatever) to give sex education to teens, can they be expected to know exactly what they are doing?

dave on the wave Wrote:

> this nation is built on an ignorant and stupid
> population headed by an analphabetic son of rich
> parents. and this nation is proud of itself.
> disgusting, embarrasing but on the other side
> nearly funny.


Coming from a someone who is not American I find statements like this make anyone who bashes the US to look very stupid. I hope for your sake that you don't even get into a debate in person with anyone regarding politics. With comments like this you will do nothing but make a fool of yourself.

When I was in school in the US I found many of my classmates to be very well informed about different cultures as opposed to me, coming from London. Not sure how much kids in the US learn about other cultures but they seemed to be very informed, where as many students I have now have never even been to the US.

dave on the wave,

Your simplistic, sweeping generalizations and infantile name-calling regarding Americans only serve to illustrate an amazingly shallow comprehension of the issues at hand, as well as your inability to enter into intelligent debate. Until you have something to offer beyond a childish sticking-your-tongue-out-at-Americans I suggest you refrain from saying much. In the meantime, grow up a bit.

"you are full of shit!

it`s hard to believe how stupid and crazy many people are in the states.
i thought thats an arrogant european view, but as it seems, it`s true
this nation is built on an ignorant and stupid population headed by an analphabetic son of rich parents. and this nation is proud of itself.
disgusting, embarrasing but on the other side nearly funny. "

Is this an example of the "enlightened, progressive and oh so tolerant" Europesn mindset of which I've heard so much about?

Impressive.

Europe again had the ability to not spend a dime on defense durimg the Cold War

And Yet live off our protection..

It is so easy to be idealistic when you big brother is Bruce Lee.

WW 11 WW 1 bothe started by Europr not US.

nd it was the US that played a big part in winning both especially the cold war
and World War II

Answer one basic quiestion where would Europe have been if we islated ourselves.

Speaking Russian that is for sure.

An Bab if you ay you are not saying to kill shikdren then your argument makes no sense

You are using quality of life Arguments for abortion the same arguments Nazi's used
to kill crippeled and eldery.

It was eurpe thabrought us Stalin @#$%& shal I go on?

Bad argument

!!!!!!!!!!! What has this to do with the sones?????
Mabey I miss some points here, but it seems we get another europe against usa discussion.

Wow this got nasty. I'm just gonna sit here and smile cause my mother didnt abort me. If she had I would have been deprived of the Rolling Stones, girls, rollercoasters, gummi bears, krispy kreme donuts, star wars, family, white castle and whats that thing call? Oh yeah, LIFE! =)

dennyboy:

"WW 11 WW 1 bothe started by Europr not US."
- No, but US ended it by dropping two A-bombs over two big cities in Japan.
And "Europe" started nothing.

"nd it was the US that played a big part in winning both especially the cold war
and World War II"
- So did Norway. Denmark. France. UK! Finland!! Christsake, read histort... !

"Answer one basic quiestion where would Europe have been if we islated ourselves.

Speaking Russian that is for sure."
- Russia did their part, taking Adolph from east. Uncountable amounts of Russian citizens died fighting @#$%&. The Allied Forces fought Germany, not Russia.
The cold war was 95% brain ghost in wird US minds, among the leaders. Even J.F.K was in that fever (read: Pig Bay).

"An Bab if you ay you are not saying to kill shikdren then your argument makes no sense

You are using quality of life Arguments for abortion the same arguments Nazi's used
to kill crippeled and eldery."
- Read more about Romania, and then come back.
If a girl is raped; does she have to carry the little monstrum all the way?

- Please, put focus to more serious problems in the world!

Denny, get off the high horse man and let's rock!

of course my statement was a bit emotional and polarising

but that`s a human reaction when you are confronted with truckloads of bullshit
I have no respect for a nation which is megamolmaniac and of limit capabilitis.

Got no pride, don't know whose boots to lick
We act so greedy, makes me sick sick sick

Hold on there Mr. Wave! Don't confuse the nation with the government! The two are very much mutally exclusive! Damn, I'm surprised Bjornulf hasn't pulled the plug on this one!

"but that`s a human reaction when you are confronted with truckloads of bullshit
I have no respect for a nation which is megamolmaniac and of limit capabilitis."

Still more "enlightened, progressive and ever so tolerant" euro-speak. Truly you are a beacon for all the world to follow.

"limit capabilitis"

Run that part by me again, please.

OK.This is enough. Please do not use Sweet Neo Con or any other items in the news to post here on IORR about politics. Any such posts/threads will be closed and/or deleted. Thank you.

Bjornulf