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alimente
Of course your example would be a travesty, but repairing a vocal is not the same thing. Lets say they want to include Prodigal Son and they have three recordings from three different shows. They would not use the version thats on the Criterion release because there, Keiths guitar is badly out of tune. So there are two versions left. One is an overall lacklustre performance, and one is great - both Mick and Keith top-notch. But on the top-notch performance they have a serious technical problem, a humming noise from the microphone while Mick sings the phrase "well a poor boy" and later on a distortion when he sings the phrase "feed my swine". They try to fix it with the exact phrases from the other performances. No luck, the timing is a tad different, it sounds unnatural. So what can they do? Ring Mick up and tell him "Hey, we need you to repair some seconds of Prodigal Son. Dont redo the complete vocals, just redo the two @#$%& up phrases". Im sure that Mick, the professional that he is, would redo the two phrases by shadowing his 1969 voice so close that apart from us die-hards who could possibly compare it to an audience recording nobody else would even notice it. If it comes down to either have an official release in perfect quality of a 1969 live track thats not already featured on YaYas with a few minor, close to unnoticable fixes or no official release of this track at all, I know for sure what my choice would be!

I think that repairing a vocal recorded FORTY years ago IS just as much of a travesty as reshooting a scene in a forty-year-old movie. I have no problem with overdubs on officially released live albums, but I think there HAS to be some kind of sensible statute of limitations. Personally, I would NEVER record a vocal overdub on a live track that was more than one year old. To do it after FORTY years, when you are old enough to be the GRANDFATHER of the kid who's singing on the original tape, is a JOKE. I don't care if it's only a line or two. Any artist who is any kind of artist at all would have to say "I just can't do that. I'm just not THAT PERSON any more. I may still do the world's greatest impersonation of that person, but I am NO LONGER THAT PERSON.

Put these tracks out, by all means, but put them out RAW, humming, buzzing, distortion, and all. It'll sound authentic, because it IS authentic. You might have to put them on a separate disc, with a little disclaimer, telling people that this material has never been tampered with in the studio, and therefore, won't sound they way they normally would expect an official live release to sound, that it sounds more like a really good bootleg, but that the band has made an artistic decision that to tamper with these tracks after so many years have passed wouldn't be the right thing to do, that the ONLY way to release these tracks NOW is to release them raw.

You're a purist, but that's usually not the way artists and record companies approach a live album. For them, a live album is a "product" first and an "authentic historical document" to a much lesser extent. Artists in particular usually don't want "warts 'n' all" stuff out there. It is possible, however, that the Stones quality control has degraded over the years to an extent that they simply do not care anymore - as the butchering of "Rocks Off" on Live Licks may indicate. I would say - let's just wait and see how things develop, it's useless to discuss this until we have the final product in our hands.

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Jump Back: The Best Of The Rolling Stones 1971-1993” internationally for 17th August 2009.

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Here the following communiqué (only the first sentence) regarding the "new" releases for the fall :

Universal Music Group are pleased to announce the reissue of five Rolling Stones live albums on 2rd November 2009. Recorded between 1975 and 2002, Love You Live, Still Life, Flashpoint, the much-loved Stripped and Live Licks, showcase the world’s greatest rock’n’roll band in its natural habitat, on stage.



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Yazid Manou
Here the following communiqué (only the first sentence) regarding the "new" releases for the fall :

Universal Music Group are pleased to announce the reissue of five Rolling Stones live albums on 2rd November 2009. Recorded between 1975 and 2002, Love You Live, Still Life, Flashpoint, the much-loved Stripped and Live Licks, showcase the world’s greatest rock’n’roll band in its natural habitat, on stage.

"Get Yer Ya Ya's Out !" is for november 26.

France : "Jump Back" is delayed.

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my two cents worth:

The Ya-Ya's 40th will include

Disc 1) original version with the same 10 tracks-it makes economic sense to leave
this release as is and just include the additional songs as....
Disc 2) EP with the 5 NYC performance tracks not included on Ya-Ya's-
(You Gotta Move, Prodigal Son, I'm Free/Under My Thumb, Satisfaction)
Disc 3) BB King and Ike & Tina Turner's sets
Disc 4) DVD-what ends up on this most probably will be the GIMME SHELTER out-takes
that the Maysles initially wanted to include on the Criterion DVD but were
nixed by ABKCO-i.e., Midnight Rambler and other songs for which ABKCO holds
the publishing rights. (Note that the bonus tracks which were included on
the GIMME SHELTER DVD were songs not written by Jagger-Richards and
therefore not subject to ABKCO approval.)

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Seems to be like this:

1. Original record
2. Unreleased recordings
3. BB King / Ike & Tina Turner
4. DVD

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...and so the "No Security" will be dropped out ?