Quoteds1984 Quoteslewan Quoteds1984 You mean an UNlawful fixation can become lawful? of course not. but once the copyright has expired the question of lawfully recorded or not has become irrelevant. The logic behind this is: Once the copyright has expired, you can no longer infringe it I would say if such a case happened, doing commercial exploitation of unlawful fixed work after 50 years
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Quoteds1984 Quoteslewan Quoteds1984 Quoteslewan Note that it doesn't matter – (only) for the question of copyright expiration – whether the recording was/is made legally or illegally. Well in case of unlawful fixation the artist has the moral right to prevent the tape to be published. Unlawful fixation is not the point of the law about "copyright duration" By definition an
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Quoteds1984 Quoteslewan Note that it doesn't matter – (only) for the question of copyright expiration – whether the recording was/is made legally or illegally. Well in case of unlawful fixation the artist has the moral right to prevent the tape to be published. Unlawful fixation is not the point of the law about "copyright duration" By definition an unlawful fixation can&#
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Quoteretired_dog QuoteIrix Quoteretired_dog the cited law has absolutely nothing to do with unreleased recordings! The German copyright law has in § 85 (3) a text passage: "If the phonogram has not been published within this period or has been used for authorised communication to the public, the right shall expire 50 years after the production of the phonogram." This could apply
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Quoteretired_dog QuoteIrix Quoteds1984 You mention 3 cases I only see 2 a) lawfully published b) not lawfully published BUT lawfully communicated to the public There could be a 3rd case c): 'not lawfully published and not lawfully communicated to the public' - because a recording was made, but never used (tape was archived until now). Indeed, there could be a 3rd case as me
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QuoteMAF QuoteStonesSmeth99 QuoteTopi Hey slewan, what's the weather like in Munich in June? Happy holidays, gang! Stay cool. Is that a hint? Olympic Stadium is closed for renovation so any Munich show would be Allianz Arena I don't rememmber any kind of show in the Allianz Arena, just soccer. The flat ground of "Messe München" is a venue for big open airs (up to abou
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Quoteds1984 Quoteslewan Quoteds1984 Quoteslewan Quoteds1984 By making additionnal research I see that in my last post I may not have understood the 2011 EU directive in it's full extend - I was wrong about "public domain", this is not the right matter. That put light in the case of the Rolling Stone NOT publishing their own archive post 1970, they don't do it because the
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QuoteGazza Quotejohnnythunders The fifty years rule only applies to broadcast material, which is why we can issue previously-unreleased radio and TV broadcasts but not studio outtakes Nope. Most of the Dylan copyright releases were NOT broadcasts, and included studio outtakes and live performances (both soundboard and audience recordings) The Stones ABKCO recordings from 1969 were audien
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Quotejohnnythunders The fifty years rule only applies to broadcast material, which is why we can issue previously-unreleased radio and TV broadcasts but not studio outtakes this is simply wrong! The 50 years rule applies to all kinds of recordings. The fact that there are more live recordings on the market is simply because they are easier to access than (unreleased/not leaked) studio recor
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Quoteds1984 Quoteslewan Quoteds1984 By making additionnal research I see that in my last post I may not have understood the 2011 EU directive in it's full extend - I was wrong about "public domain", this is not the right matter. That put light in the case of the Rolling Stone NOT publishing their own archive post 1970, they don't do it because they don't need to do
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QuoteIrix Quotebuffalo7478 The cost to administer and protect the copyright under multiple country/regional laws may be more than the potential revenues to earn from some copyrights. Must be worth it since Pink Floyd temporary released 1972 & 1973 recordings in 2022 & 2023 worldwide via streaming services - , . "Bob Dylan’s team [...] simply pressed 300 or so CDs and sen
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Quoteds1984 By making additionnal research I see that in my last post I may not have understood the 2011 EU directive in it's full extend - I was wrong about "public domain", this is not the right matter. That put light in the case of the Rolling Stone NOT publishing their own archive post 1970, they don't do it because they don't need to do it. The 2011 EU d
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QuoteIrix Quoteslewan Anyhow – it makes much more sense to release those deluxe editions you're talking about (or at least some copyright protection release) before the copyright expires to protect the very copyright. Yes: either one time an expensive super deluxe edition (copyright lost after that) - or a low quality release for copyright extension to protect it for 70 years. no –
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QuoteIrix Quoteslewan In contrast, by not releasing uncirculating recordings within time they become public domain (although nobody has access to them) and therefore economically worthless. They're economically not worthless - you could release them once, e.g. as part of an expensive super deluxe edition. But after that, everyone could use it (e.g. for copies, repackaging, remixes/rema
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Quoteretired_dog QuoteIrix Quoteds1984 So all the unaired recorded show up to 1973 are entering the public domain. I'm not entirely sure about that - at least there might be an expiration after 50 years, but I'm no lawyer. Sony Music seems to be aware of this 50-year rule - but other record companies apparently not. Besides the 27 EU member states, there're ~168 further
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QuoteGazza Quoteslewan QuoteGazza It's only a European copyright issue I'm not 100% sure why the Stones haven't gone for the copyright protection thing. However the only Stones copyright issues related to the ABKCO era. The last tour to get a release was, I think, 1969. Presumably there's something in their contracts since they left ABKCO which has meant that the copyrig
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QuoteIrix Quoteslewan EU law rules that copyright expires 50 years after a recording was made if a recording has not been commerically used. The German copyright law - - which complies to the 2011/77 EU directive - says in § 85 (3): "The right expires 70 years after the publication of the phonogram. If the phonogram has not been published within 50 years of its production, but h
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QuoteIrix Quoteds1984 Pink Floyd did the copyright release not the Rolling Stones. Maybe it's a thing of the record company. The Pink Floyd 1973 live releases say 'licensed to Sony Music'. Bob Dylan is Sony Music too (Columbia). But the Rolling Stones are Universal Music. Maybe Sony Music tries to secure copyright in countries of the world where's still a 50-years r
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QuoteGazza It's only a European copyright issue I'm not 100% sure why the Stones haven't gone for the copyright protection thing. However the only Stones copyright issues related to the ABKCO era. The last tour to get a release was, I think, 1969. Presumably there's something in their contracts since they left ABKCO which has meant that the copyright on their performance
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Quotejackflash27 Arnhem 2017 (Netherlands) was late October if I remember correctly and it was 25 degrees Celsius that day! That was special and pretty exceptional. Concert was indoors, but easily could have taken place in the out and open. Arnheim was in mid October (15th). The weather was warm but I doubt it was really 25°C – at least not in the later evening
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QuoteSomeTorontoGirl I have to agree. The drawn out ending for Satisfaction never fails to remind me of the ending to Hot Rocks Polka, or something you’d hear in Vegas. It would be nice to fit in 2-3 other new or rarer songs. absolutely right. The only time I liked an extra long performance of Satisfaction was Berlin 2022. At that show the stretched to song exactly until the venue's curfe
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QuoteRisingStone Quotefalo01 Quotegotdablouse Stadiums in the fall in Europe ? They haven't done that for a while have they ? Well I suppose 2017 started outdoors in September. Yes, a few outdoor gigs in September, after that it will be horrible sounding indoor crap like Düsseldorf, Gelsenkirchen, Amsterdam etc.... I would prefer the Stones show at horrible sounding indoor crap to no St
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QuoteCristiano Radtke Quoteslewan QuoteCristiano Radtke Quoteslewan Sony just released this year's copyright protection/50th anniversary collection Dylan CD there were only a handful of copies available at a handful of handpicked stores in a few European countries – same procedure as every year I'm listening to this set now. I can understand why it was released in such a smal
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QuoteCristiano Radtke Quoteslewan Sony just released this year's copyright protection/50th anniversary collection Dylan CD there were only a handful of copies available at a handful of handpicked stores in a few European countries – same procedure as every year I'm listening to this set now. I can understand why it was released in such a small quantity. of course. The only
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Sony just released this year's copyright protection/50th anniversary collection Dylan CD there were only a handful of copies available at a handful of handpicked stores in a few European countries – same procedure as every year
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QuoteNashvilleBlues Quotejackflash27 Quotetreaclefingers QuoteGangster-of-love They're still relevant in their 80s, which is unbelievable. Relevant in: have to see them live? Or relevant in making music which has some significant impact and is something new? They're definitely relevant live. As far as "making music which has some significant impact and is something new,&quo
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Quotejackflash27 Quotetreaclefingers QuoteGangster-of-love They're still relevant in their 80s, which is unbelievable. Relevant in: have to see them live? Or relevant in making music which has some significant impact and is something new? somewhere in Paris I've seen a T-Shirt saying 'I might be old but I've seen the Rolling Stones live on stage'
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- Bob Dylan (Porto, 2x Lisboa, 2x Madrid, 2x Sevilla, Granada, Rome) - Guns n' Roses (Pretenders as opening act)(Madrid, Frankfurt, Rome) - Ryan Adams (Paris, Bruxelles) - Bruce Springsteen (Paris) - Billy Gibbons (Hamburg) - Patti Smith (Frankfurt)
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QuoteSomeTorontoGirl I’ve been watching a ticket in Vancouver - out of morbid curiosity. It is a single ticket 3 rows in front of thr B stage. When I first noticed it, it was priced at $9,989 Cdn. It has fluctuated a bit, as low as around $9500. Just checked again. Brace yourselves… the order processing fee is incredibly cheap
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Quoteartedm kind of like lucky tickets but u2 is selling floor ga at sphere for $25 each to students today well, the price they have to pay is that they have to listen to U2…
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