Quotewalkingthedog I have trained my dog to like the Stones and not the Beatles. I would have been more impressed by your dog if you had trained it to like the Beatles, but it had preferred the Stones.
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QuoteDoxa Quotenightskyman I do think it is an effective opener, but honestly, some people here are saying it is their best recording ever. I think not (there are so many other Stones songs that qualify for that). I don't think people are saying that. They just recognize that "Rocks Off" hits something that is actually perfect in its own terms. As a song it is not any "
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QuoteHis Majesty Somethng as beautiful and gentle as Long, Long, Long is anything, but filler. Fact is, not one bit of sound on The Beatles is filler. Everything is there because they wanted it there not because they were struggling to come up with good songs and knocked together some shit in order to fill up an album. They actually had too many songs to fit on a double album. Not lik
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Some challengers to the last one, but it had to be only one fifth: At the top: "Shine A Light" Without internal preferences, listed according to the running order on the vinyl album: "Tumbling Dice" "Sweet Virginia" "Let It Loose" And the difficult final one, where maybe three others could have been my candidate: "Casino Boogie"
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A lower number of listenings, all other factors taken to be equal (so far as they would be), make for a fresher impact.
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Quotestonehearted I see that my posts are not worthy of any new comments. I dislike people who repeat themselves and who attempt to direct a discussion merely in circles. I'll take my substantial ideas elsewhere. You might consider that even if I am utterly unable to live up to your expectations and demands, there are other posters who certainly will be capable to do so.
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Quotestonehearted If I could weigh on the gothic rock discussion, which appears to have stemmed from the song Dancing With Mr D. In my opinion, there are more gothic elements in some of their mid-60s recordings, like Little Red Rooster and Heart of Stone. From the clip below, it seems that the producers of the TV show Shindig in 1965 had the same idea. See how the performance of Little Red
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My impression of this song as gothic (or semi-gothic) is hardly obvious, if it might be valid. Had that been the case, others would have said so long since. I acknowledge that it can be doubted to be a valid judgement. However, that is how I suddenly came to think. To other readers I would like to repeat what made me think so, which Dandelion did not present correctly in his condescension to l
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I must apologize. Most readers will do best not to read this post, chiefly concerning reading of each others' posts, little about the subjectmatter: QuoteDandelionPowderman You still don't get what I was saying, Witness. It's getting a bit boring. <It is Mick and the lyrics that gives the feel> Do you disagree with this? Is that a controversial statement? Do the voca
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My employer does not pay me for posting on IORR. That my posts tend to be boring to you does not help. So I must postpone this exchange of views for now.
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QuoteDandelionPowderman QuoteWitness "Dancing with Mr. D" was before the gothic scene. And it had not to be copied to be a forerunner, added expression: not necessarily the first one. And it may give a description of the song in a Stones context that to some listeners, not all, is a little more inspiring than "rocker". OK: Thank you! That's because there aren't
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QuoteDandelionPowderman <...and when you disparagingly say Mick Jagger's voice> No disagreement about the importance of Mick's voice - but it hardly makes the song alone... A little delayed answer: I was slow in adding "only" in front of "Mick Jagger's voice". More important now: To me I think it is most of all how the melody goes, that, cowo
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QuoteDandelionPowderman QuoteWitness "Dancing with Mr. D" was before the gothic scene. And it had not to be copied to be a forerunner, added expression: not necessarily the first one. And it may give a description of the song in a Stones context that to some listeners, not all, is a little more inspiring than "rocker". OK: Thank you! That's because there aren't
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Not all preceding elements, more or less of their kind, are always absorbed and worked up in a new rock scene that arises. Only some predecessors are adopted as such.
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"Dancing with Mr. D" was before the gothic scene. And it had not to be copied to be a forerunner, added expression: not necessarily the first one. And it may give a description of the song in a Stones context that to some listeners, not all, is a little more inspiring than "rocker". OK: Thank you!
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QuoteDandelionPowderman Merely a continuance of stuff like Stray Cat Blues, Midnight Rambler or Ventilator Blues - only tamer and more one-dimensional, imo. With that kind of argumentation, you could be met with the view from someone (and you are) that nothing interesting or creatively new has been made by this band since 1983, and some would say 1972! That they should call it a day!
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It is because there was no gothic scene that, among what heterogenous stuff that formerly existed from different bands, there were certain songs that were or could be said to be kinds of predecessors which can be named proto-gothic for those who find that instructive. And what can be contested among those who think not. And in this case that description, that label, said something interesting
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QuoteDandelionPowderman QuoteWitness QuoteDandelionPowderman ...................................... Sure, there is a "gothic" feeling within the lyrics and the atmosphere in Mr. D, but I really can't see the musical parallells. If Mr. D is gothic, what is Can You Hear The Music, then? ......................................................... As for "Can You Hear t
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QuoteDandelionPowderman QuoteWitness QuoteDandelionPowderman ........................................ Proto-goth, btw, has to be the bands from the late 60s, hence Mr. D missed that wave by several years. Why not both late 6os and early 70s, would be my counter question. There is not yet a gothic rock scene proper. Because kleerie said that the Stones were early out with playing this. The
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Now it is you, who at first make an extension to songs, where I for one don't find the gothic epithet suited, whereupon you go on to deny its relevance. I have made a suggestion for one song only, where I found that it is not without an inbuilt more or less ironic distance at the same time, and tried to stress that point as well.
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QuoteDandelionPowderman ........................................ Proto-goth, btw, has to be the bands from the late 60s, hence Mr. D missed that wave by several years. Why not both late 6os and early 70s, would be my counter question. There is not yet a gothic rock scene proper.
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QuoteHis Majesty Quotekleermaker This time the Stones were ahead of their time with Mr D... Twas a bit old hat even within their own musical evolution. It's more an amalgamation of voodoo blues with a side serving of prog rock. No way is it a proto-gothic song as it's coming at the end of gothic rock strand that appeared during psych era, there's no real link to 80'
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QuoteDoxa I need to eloborate a bit why ........................................ Everyone, of course, knows how great a writer you are, Doxa. But in addition you have another asset. You are an excellent reader, too. (Without you, hardly anyone would have noticed my saying anything.) And your assets don't stop there: Apart from the mentionned, you are ever so ready and willing to put your
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Well, if you don't find anything gothic in "Dancing with Mr. D", Dandelion, I understand from one of your earlier posts that you , in contrast to me, will find it in your mental library under "Rockers", probably behind "Crazy Mama". Now in my edit I have to be careful with where I end one of the quotation marks that I had omitted, else you enter the song titl
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I can hardly see "Goin' Home" as a proto-gothic song. Among the very best examples, however, must be Vanilla Fudges's version of Donovan's Season of the Witch (Added: Of the two available versions, I hope this is the same one as is included on their third album RENAISSANCE) :
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From a post on October 5th, 2009: QuoteRené Comments, input and alterations are very welcome! ________________________________________________________________________________ Dancing With Mr. D (Mick Jagger / Keith Richards) Dynamic Sound Studios, Kingston, Jamaica, November 25 - 30 & December 6 - 21, 1972 and Island Recording Studios, London, UK, May 28 - June 20, 1973 Mic
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Qua gothic rock I meant the song "Dancing with Mr. D" as a kind of precursor to the gothic scene, like I wrote in a later post. The correct term may be proto-gothic song perhaps. From round the time of its origin, maybe the closest I can think about, could be The New York Dolls. Maybe the song a little more "glossy" than the sound of their two (?) studio albums, which I hav
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To me King Crimson never was a gothic band (I repeat, to me). To me they were a prog-rock-band all right, at its time in my eyes then, the best there was. So far as I knew that scene, admittedly not too far. (Because Pink Floyd was something else, again to me.)
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I am not very familiar with the gothic rock scene,I must stress However, when Joy Division (one favourite band of mine) is seen in a Wikipedia-article as a gothic band, I think I clearly diagree about that. Joy Division in my understanding was a band of depressive rock (and New Order of post-depressive rock). Bauhaus, on the other hand, I think was more of a gothic rock band. My impression is
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Or from one band that I was interested in and did like, admittedly first after when they were disbanded (I saw one splinter group "Love & Rockets live once),
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