Quoteoldschool Quotecurt "Jaymes is bad karma to boot. From Los Angeles to when we arrive in New York, he builds this incredible kind of trip like The Man Who Can Get Everything Done with a minimal amount of problems. Well, that really wore thin, because in fact it wasn't true. He'd gotten six members of the New York Narcotics Bureau – full York Narcotics Bureau. Leave the rest of
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Quotestanlove Quotecurt I will have a great deal more to speak about on this topic but for the moment I will only add this: The Rolling Stones got caught between a rock and a hard place that day. The "rock" being American greed and the "hard place" being American violence. I know Passaro also went to jail in 1980 and got out in 1984 and then died in 1985. He was bad ne
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QuoteRedhotcarpet No mention of the loaded gun in the air in that article. Hence the scene in GS with Mick narrating the killing. They were being sued. A lotta law suits were initiated vis a vis this incident. Most odd among them would be Belli representing Passaro against the Maysles.
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"Jaymes is bad karma to boot. From Los Angeles to when we arrive in New York, he builds this incredible kind of trip like The Man Who Can Get Everything Done with a minimal amount of problems. Well, that really wore thin, because in fact it wasn't true. He'd gotten six members of the New York Narcotics Bureau – full York Narcotics Bureau. Leave the rest of it up to you. You work it
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"SAN FRANCISCO — 21-year-old Hell's Angel has been indicted for the murder of Meredith Hunter at the Rolling Stones' disastrous free concert at Altamont. Alameda County District Attorney Lowell Jensen announced the March 24th arrest of Alan David Passaro, who was taken into custody at Soledad Prison, where he was already serving a term for grand theft and sale of grass. Jensen s
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Mr. Schneider, among the following who would have the most interesting perspective on that day in December of 1969" Bill Belmont Chip Monck Tony Funches Jon James
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It is extremely simplistic and severely reductionist to sum up the nature of that day based on a few seconds of grainy, dark, handheld camera work. I would plainly state that a lot more went on there than a drawn pistol...
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QuoteDoxa Quotestanlove I get so tired of people who blindly throw race around. This poster has no clue if race had anything to do with it but that will not stop him. The overuse of racist claims make it harder to take real claims seriously. Most people are just tired of it. Things can happen to people who just happen to be black, it is not always because they are black. Now watch some idiot
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QuoteDoxa Interesting to think about if there weren't the crucial film footage at all, what would happen then? Most likely there wouldn't haven't been the Passaro trial at all, because Passaro's identity was discovered from the base of the footage. In a hindsight one could say that shooting for GIMME SHELTER made the things to happen. Taking the damn lousy investigation (disin
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Mr. Schneider that's quite the tale you have told. Nice book!! I found it to be informative in part, insightful, and in many a passage quite humorous. Much of what you have written in regards to the gig at Altamont Speedway meshes well with Stanley Booth's excellent book Dance with the Devil. I for one can totally see that the entirety of the negativity of that day can and should be see
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Quotepotus43 Quotecurt Are you at all aware of the rather racist outlook of the Hell's Angels? I was in attendance at this gig, and per my observations the Angels did nothing but cause all manner of discord and violence. This was not an heroic act, it was murder. It was NOT murder. The guy had a gun for God's sake I suppose in the technical sense it may not have been murder for
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Some bits about the gun This happened about about 10-12 days after the incident: "At the San Francisco District Attorney’s office, David turned over the footage; the Angels turned over the gun; and any threat of criminal prosecution for us was ended." Schneider, Ronnie. Out of Our Heads with Proof of Truth: The Rolling Stones, The Beatles and Me (Kindle Locations 3436-3437). CLB,
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The first Rolling Stones gig I shot in '75, I brought the following: 1. Two 35mm bodies 2. seven lenses 3. One 8mm movie camera 4. a tripod. 5. A tape deck with plenty of tape and batteries. The was no issue bringing these items into the show with me. In fact there was a perceptible deference. Things sure have changed
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Quotestanlove Quotecurt Quotestanlove Quotecurt QuoteStoneage I'm only concerned about the question of guilt here. The race issue is another question. It leads nowhere arguing about that. The core legal issue here is whether the violence from the HA would count as self-defense or not. Personally I think he used more force than necessary. He stepped over the limits for self-defense. That'
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Quotestanlove Quotecurt QuoteStoneage I'm only concerned about the question of guilt here. The race issue is another question. It leads nowhere arguing about that. The core legal issue here is whether the violence from the HA would count as self-defense or not. Personally I think he used more force than necessary. He stepped over the limits for self-defense. That's my view on this situa
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QuoteStoneage I'm only concerned about the question of guilt here. The race issue is another question. It leads nowhere arguing about that. The core legal issue here is whether the violence from the HA would count as self-defense or not. Personally I think he used more force than necessary. He stepped over the limits for self-defense. That's my view on this situation. How would it be
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Quotenick Quotecurt Just imagine if the Black Panthers had been "hired" and it was some white guy with an incorrect attitude that had been "offed"... Oh that's easy, it's socially acceptable in todays society. Izzat so ??? There was a phrase that was prevalent in the timeframe and locale of Altamonte : "You got's to be kidding' me" I&
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Just imagine if the Black Panthers had been "hired" and it was some white guy with an incorrect attitude that had been "offed"...
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QuoteKevinLocksPerm QuoteKennedy 50 years on, and it is still politically incorrect to dare suggest that Mr. Hunter has only himself to blame for his own fate. Like most other death of young black men. Ouch!! Now that is RACIST. Utterly agree with you.
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QuoteStoneage Judging from the video material I have seen it is pretty obvious that the Hell's Angel used more force than necessary. He could have outmanoeuvred the deceased without stabbing him seven times in the back. Self-defense doesn't give room for more violence than necessary. I don't think it was necessary to kill the suspect here. He looked outmanoeuvred before the stabb
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QuoteKennedy 50 years on, and it is still politically incorrect to dare suggest that Mr. Hunter has only himself to blame for his own fate. Like most other death of young black men. Amazing isn't it, the guy just knifed, beat and bludgeoned himself to death. Right ?
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QuoteRedhotcarpet Quotecurt QuoteRedhotcarpet Quotecurt QuoteRedhotcarpet Quoteterraplane Seems more like Hunter Meredith was acting in self defense No it doesnt. Seems he was high on meth, got into a fight with the HA (a bunch of sociopaths) and decided to pull a gun at one of the HA. The HA stabbed him to death. Why on earth did he carry a revolver in the first place? He shouldve just ignored
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Quotebmuseed I just saw this thread.. there is no doubt in my mind, and David Maysles made the same point to me when he showed me the footage...if Hunter's girlfriend didn't have on a white sweater, we wouldn't have seen the gun in Meredith's hand and a lot of you would have been screaming, it's bloody murder instead of self defense. I was thankful there was an '
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QuoteRedhotcarpet Quotecurt QuoteRedhotcarpet Quoteterraplane Seems more like Hunter Meredith was acting in self defense No it doesnt. Seems he was high on meth, got into a fight with the HA (a bunch of sociopaths) and decided to pull a gun at one of the HA. The HA stabbed him to death. Why on earth did he carry a revolver in the first place? He shouldve just ignored the disgusting Hells Angels
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QuoteKevinLocksPerm So the consensus seems to be pro angels? I bet you guys masturbate whilst watching Gimme Shelter ! Existing possibility that some of these pro-angel folk are simply RW gun lovers...
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QuoteRedhotcarpet Quoteterraplane Seems more like Hunter Meredith was acting in self defense No it doesnt. Seems he was high on meth, got into a fight with the HA (a bunch of sociopaths) and decided to pull a gun at one of the HA. The HA stabbed him to death. Why on earth did he carry a revolver in the first place? He shouldve just ignored the disgusting Hells Angels. I would think it a might
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Quoteterraplane Seems more like Hunter Meredith was acting in self defense This is close to the truth, but it would be more accurate to say that he attempted to defend himself. It is so ludicrous that Passaro was acquitted of murder with a claim of "self defense". When is it that Hunter attacked anyone ? He was set upon by a pack of jackals who lied for each other (why is it that no o
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QuoteThe Sicilian Quotecurt QuoteThe Sicilian Quotecurt QuoteThe Sicilian A hypothetical situation: So if a bystander, doorman, fan or anyone nearby had witnessed Mark David Chapman pulling out a gun and pointing it towards John Lennon, and that person grabs Chapman's arm with the gun before he can fire it and attacks him with a knife, is he a murderer or is he a hero because he just save
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QuoteThe Sicilian Quotecurt QuoteThe Sicilian A hypothetical situation: So if a bystander, doorman, fan or anyone nearby had witnessed Mark David Chapman pulling out a gun and pointing it towards John Lennon, and that person grabs Chapman's arm with the gun before he can fire it and attacks him with a knife, is he a murderer or is he a hero because he just saved Lennon's life? Of cou
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QuoteThe Sicilian A hypothetical situation: So if a bystander, doorman, fan or anyone nearby had witnessed Mark David Chapman pulling out a gun and pointing it towards John Lennon, and that person grabs Chapman's arm with the gun before he can fire it and attacks him with a knife, is he a murderer or is he a hero because he just saved Lennon's life? Of course we all know the opposite
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