Quoteslakka Right but you cant be this person taking up this huge assignment defending him. Its more check full of flaws then the 62 Mets!! Well, I don't see myself as his "defender". But I do find it depressing that many here still repeat the same old negative stuff about Brian we've heard about him for the last 30 years - mainly from his old chums (with some rare credit no
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Quotehowled I'd say that Gene had more credentials as a songwriter at that time, than Mick and Keith did or anyone in the Stones. He might have been put together with Gene because maybe he wanted to write a hit song but other attempts had failed, so Andrew maybe thought that pairing him with Gene might help. If Andrew could get songs he could use from Brian or Brian with someone else o
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Quotehowled I think Andrew put Brian and Gene Pitney together to try and write some songs and nothing much appeared to have happened. Keith has said that he tried writing songs with Brian and nothing much happened. I know about the Gene Pitney story and have always wondered why Brian was put together with him of all people. He wasn't in the Stones for starters. I guess Andrew didn
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Quotehowled This "Brian was kept from writing great songs" or "Brian's fantastic song writing talent was kept in a box by Keith, Mick and Andrew" conspiracy theory is just BS, when Brian just could not write songs that the Stones could use and neither could Bill or Charlie or Stu. This was before the Brian drugs, Anita things, so those things don't come into it.
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QuoteslakkaHow do u sanitize him smashing women in the face ect? I never said he was a saint or innocent. Just that I don't believe he was anymore arrogant prick than let's say Mick or Lennon. Charlie has even compared his darker sides to Lennon's. The alpha males of the Stones and the Beatles weren't nice guys and Brian's violence against some of his women is inexcusable
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Quotetatters This is Paul's explanation for the "What about the night we cried?" line in Here Today. Sounds pretty gay to me. We were in Key West in 1964. We were due to fly into Jacksonville, in Florida, and do a concert there, but we'd been diverted because of a hurricane. We stayed there for a couple of days, not knowing what to do except, like, drink. I remember drinkin
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Quoteowlbynite it was two on one, wasn't it? True. To me the power of the band always seem to have been a thing between Mick and Brian really. Keith is known to have sided with both up until the Anita-affair. I think he liked both Mick and Brian for different reasons. But when things went sour between Keith and Brian he sided with Mick 100%. The glimmer twins and all that.
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Quoteslakka Try and keep in mind Brian's attitude towards the Stones 1962 1963 Arrogant little prick! This is my band! I get more money! I sleep in the hotel You sleep in the van! Brian was an alpha male or at least wanted to be. But since he was so freakin insecure he had no chance when encountering a way more stronger alpha male such as Mick. Instead of fighting for his position in th
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QuoteHis Majesty Not us! Your default setting is that Keith did it all and even if these stories were affirmed by someone else you would still find a way to question the involvement of Bill or Brian.
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QuoteDandelionPowderman That's interesting, because if Brian really did that (coming up with the verse melody on the recorder), it is indeed vital for the song. But then again, why didn't he play it on the finished version? The stuff he played is some nice spice for the song, especially the transitions from verse to chorus. To answer your question more directly, of course you're
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QuoteDandelionPowderman Who has claimed that he brought in a nice melody that Mick and Keith used for a song? Answering a question with a question. I asked you. I wasn't talking about wether Brian, Bill or Taylor brought in a nice melody or not. But since you are asking a question I will be polite and answer. Marianne Faithful claim Brian played a melody on his recorder that he came up wi
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QuoteDandelionPowderman According to the lack of complaints from other band members, if we see past the 5 or 6 songs (out of hundreds) in question, where Taylor and Bill claimed they had a hand in writing something... Let's pretend you and I are in the same band and most of the songs are written by me and another member. Then suddenly you bring in a nice piece of melody that me and the other
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QuoteDandelionPowderman I think people mistake "contributing" for song writing. Even ideas might not be song writing. You're looking for something that's probably not there... "Not there" according to whom? It's not like any of us who believe that the others sometimes contributed to the song writing has pulled arguments out of nothing. There are people who claim
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Quotehowled Brian's soundtrack sounds like a soundtrack with various bits of generic music for various scenes and it's pretty similar to what a load of other studio musicians wrote for low budget films back in the 60s and 70s in terms of being pretty generic low budget film music. If Brian had a closet full of great riffs and song bits, then he didn't use any of them on his soun
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Quotehowled I get what your saying about bits being contributed, but there is no proof. There is Bill and his JJF riff, and whether that riff wasn't exactly like the final JJF riff and Keith worked on it and altered it, is another possibility. When Bill gets a song through, there is no great riff bits in it. Most of the important bits seem to be from Jagger and Richards. The reas
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Quotehowled Most songwriters/arrangers use the Piano and maybe the Guitar and not the Recorder or Flute or Didgeridoo or whatever. Keith basically learnt sone Piano, not to play Honky Tonk down at the local bar, but to write songs. Keith was writing ballads from the start, "As Tears Go By" and was still writing them after Brian, "Angie" etc. Wild Horses, etc etc. W
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QuotestoneheartedBut by the time of Beggar's Banquet, his adventurous ideas are no longer being accepted and he is being reduced to merely being told what to play and how much and when. He is not making music any longer; instead, he is merely taking musical direction. Such a role is OK if you are Bill Wyman or Charlie Watts, but not if you are Brian Jones. This is true and something that is
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Quotehowled If Brian possibly wrote some things that were used by the Stones, then he was not a major contributor to the Stones songs in general, otherwise he would be on the credits. It's hard to keep someone off the credits when they are a major contributor to the songs over a long time period of years. I don't think anybody here believe or tries to make it look like Brian was a ma
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AFAIK the story about Maharishi's not-so-cosmic-needs during the Beatles visit were made up by Magic Alex. George is also said to have kept contact with him after 68.
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Quote2000 LYFH I'm sure the Beatles did not need any of George's (or Ringo's) songs on their albums, but they are there. Why? Probably because John and Paul wanted a more group partnership. For sure they could have written a few more songs and kept all the song writing money for themselves. George had to fight to get his songs recorded and always complained that they never took as
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Quotehowled The main Brian credit things are the ones where he is featured playing some weird instrument in a pretty basic way, which was mainly the psychedelic flower period where world music was a bit of the go for a while and we ended up with Sitars and who knows what in pop songs. Brian could hop on an instrument and play it in a basic way. I don't know why you you want to point out t
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Quotehowled But, if a song is coming from Paul McCartney and the next song is coming from John Lennon and the next song is a collaboration between John and Paul then it can be not worth the hassle to change the credits especially when they were set in the early days when John and Paul collaborated on a lot of songs. I think what you wrote here fits Mick's earlier quote. "Reporter: Wh
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Brian isn't entitled to a credit for the riff on The Last Time. Nicky isn't entitled a credit for his amazing addings on We Love You. But Mick is, for some weird reason, entitled a credit for Ruby Tuesday although he claim he had nothing to do with the making of it. Why not see that the "grey areas" of songwriting in the case of Jagger/Richards or Lennon/McCartney has got
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Quotehowled QuoteReporter: Who is the author of your songs? Mick: No one of us in particular, and all of us at the same time. We usually sign Jagger and Richards but Brian is the one that knows music best and, in short, one cannot be distinguished by the other. We are all necessary. Mick could have been talking generally about the songs and arranging etc. Mick and Keith have also said tha
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Quotehowled Brian wasn't coming up and submitting song ideas. Check out the song writing process. We don't know anything about Brian coming up and submitting song ideas. I find it very possible that he showed up with a melody or chord sequence that was made into a song. Spanish Tony and Marianne Faithful has claimed that Brian and Keith wrote songs together. I wonder what happened wi
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QuoteHis Majesty The sometimes not turning up or sometimes turning up wasted is partly a manifestation of his dis-interest in The Rolling Stones. He is clearly still able to play good up to and including May 1968... when he was interested and aware enough to do so. The photographer you mention was Eric Hayes and it relates to photos he took of the stones at Olympic Studios in spring 1969, he
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Quotemickschix I totally disagree with those who feel Mick & Keith were mean for no reason to Brian. First, I own Goddard's Sympathy For The Devil film, and as I recall, for most of it, Brian is asleep or zonked in a corner. They( The Stones) were on top of the world at this point, or at least heading for their peak and no way would they be allowed to tour with all of Brians' drug
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Quote24FPS So, Keith played slide on this, and not Brian? I think they both did as I'm pretty sure that there are two guitars playing that riff. One detuned with slide and one straight. To me that part has Brian written all over it. It sounds way more like something he would come up with and play than something Keith would add to a song. But who knows? Keith may actually remember it righ
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What I would like to know more about is the "top secret"-stamp on parts of the investigation. It's said that the info could hurt people personally if it had been released with the rest and won't be made public until 2030 or something. Anybody here who knows more?
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Used to be the owner of two Epi Casinos some years ago. Both were made in 1997 in the Peerless factory in Korea and of excellent quality. Even the pickups were good and that is usually the thing that people complain about on cheaper guitars. One of my friends had an Epiphone Casino that was made in 1967 and even though it had better hardware and electronics I'd say that the difference betwee
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