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Thanks a lot ...

Give me your e-mail address and I will give you
my remaster of this recording.
You were always great to me. In what they accused me of.
It's up to you. Whether you want it or not.

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jstones
Thanks Ironchef and Stony Road.

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rskinno
Thanks to 'ironchef' it's a very nice recording,
but the vocals are in my right ear of my headphones.
I edited the sound in the center (vocals) and the screaming
audience in the left corner. And now I have to say it
is great. It's like a floating sound. It's also great,
that someone dares to publish his recording.

Thank you !!!

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rskinno
Thanks to 'ironchef' it's a very nice recording,
but the vocals are in my right ear of my headphones.
I edited the sound in the center (vocals) and the screaming
audience in the left corner. And now I have to say it
is great. It's like a floating sound. It's also great,
that someone dares to publish his recording.

Thank you !!!

Rskinno--just curious, can you elaborate on your mastering process? What sort of tools and software do you use? For example, you mentioned the off-center audio on the IronChef Chicago recording, which is a common issue for audience recordings. What tool would you use to fix it? Would have PM'ed you but your email is hidden.

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rskinno
Thanks to 'ironchef' it's a very nice recording,
but the vocals are in my right ear of my headphones.
I edited the sound in the center (vocals) and the screaming
audience in the left corner. And now I have to say it
is great. It's like a floating sound. It's also great,
that someone dares to publish his recording.

Thank you !!!

Rskinno--just curious, can you elaborate on your mastering process? What sort of tools and software do you use? For example, you mentioned the off-center audio on the IronChef Chicago recording, which is a common issue for audience recordings. What tool would you use to fix it? Would have PM'ed you but your email is hidden.

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rskinno

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EddieByword
Thanks a lot ...

Give me your e-mail address and I will give you
my remaster of this recording.
You were always great to me. In what they accused me of.
It's up to you. Whether you want it or not.

Hi rsk, I would but don't want to make my email public....thanks anyway ... ... Personally, unless a post/upload says "Please do not change" - I would say you have every right to do what you want. (These others are not masters of the universe.

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rskinno

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EddieByword
Thanks a lot ...

Give me your e-mail address and I will give you
my remaster of this recording.
You were always great to me. In what they accused me of.
It's up to you. Whether you want it or not.

Hi rsk, I would but don't want to make my email public....thanks anyway ... ... Personally, unless a post/upload says "Please do not change" - I would say you have every right to do what you want. (These others are not masters of the universe.

Do you think I should share them
without becoming insulting

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rskinno
Thanks to 'ironchef' it's a very nice recording,
but the vocals are in my right ear of my headphones.
I edited the sound in the center (vocals) and the screaming
audience in the left corner. And now I have to say it
is great. It's like a floating sound. It's also great,
that someone dares to publish his recording.

Thank you !!!

Rskinno--just curious, can you elaborate on your mastering process? What sort of tools and software do you use? For example, you mentioned the off-center audio on the IronChef Chicago recording, which is a common issue for audience recordings. What tool would you use to fix it? Would have PM'ed you but your email is hidden.

a little off topic and sorry to butt in but how would you fix it?

i'd like to know what would be the best way to do it

i know i know just look it up but i have no idea where to do that or even how to phrase it if i did so might as well ask

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rskinno

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EddieByword
Thanks a lot ...

Give me your e-mail address and I will give you
my remaster of this recording.
You were always great to me. In what they accused me of.
It's up to you. Whether you want it or not.

Hi rsk, I would but don't want to make my email public....thanks anyway ... ... Personally, unless a post/upload says "Please do not change" - I would say you have every right to do what you want. (These others are not masters of the universe.

Do you think I should share them
without becoming insulting

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rskinno
Thanks to 'ironchef' it's a very nice recording,
but the vocals are in my right ear of my headphones.
I edited the sound in the center (vocals) and the screaming
audience in the left corner. And now I have to say it
is great. It's like a floating sound. It's also great,
that someone dares to publish his recording.

Thank you !!!

Rskinno--just curious, can you elaborate on your mastering process? What sort of tools and software do you use? For example, you mentioned the off-center audio on the IronChef Chicago recording, which is a common issue for audience recordings. What tool would you use to fix it? Would have PM'ed you but your email is hidden.

a little off topic and sorry to butt in but how would you fix it?

i'd like to know what would be the best way to do it

i know i know just look it up but i have no idea where to do that or even how to phrase it if i did so might as well ask

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rskinno

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EddieByword
Thanks a lot ...

Give me your e-mail address and I will give you
my remaster of this recording.
You were always great to me. In what they accused me of.
It's up to you. Whether you want it or not.

Hi rsk, I would but don't want to make my email public....thanks anyway ... ... Personally, unless a post/upload says "Please do not change" - I would say you have every right to do what you want. (These others are not masters of the universe.

Do you think I should share them
without becoming insulting

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Some people might be insulted but I think, if the taper can't be bothered to put a note on his/her upload asking people not to change it then why should anyone bother to chase them to ask?

If a taper does say "please don't change this" then fair enough, leave it alone except for your personal use or you could then contact the taper and ask what they think of your effort and whether it is ok to make public.

That's just my opinion.....

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Some people might be insulted but I think, if the taper can't be bothered to put a note on his/her upload asking people not to change it then why should anyone bother to chase them to ask?

If a taper does say "please don't change this" then fair enough, leave it alone except for your personal use or you could then contact the taper and ask what they think of your effort and whether it is ok to make public.

That's just my opinion.....

In a way I agree. The recording notes are silent on redistribution or remastering of the recording, so I certainly think you could do so without any guilt.

I do strongly think it is a best practice to make an effort to reach out to the taper for any projects. I've done the same, and made friends with tapers as a result. Most tapers are generally pretty pleased to get asked and its a positive experience.

Oddly enough, that's how Daspyknows and I first met. I recorded several IEM recordings of a Mark Knopfler show many moons ago, where Daspyknows also attended. He got a very nice audience recording, but had issues with security so missing a gap. I was able to use his audience recording for his good sections, and then just went iem-only on the sections without the aud. We were both happy with our contributions to a final product, and have tag-teamed on shows since then. I doubt daspyknows had any "no remaster + no reposting" clause on that recording back then, but good communication resulted in a much better mix and a long time taper friendship.

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Yes, daspyknows was easily accessible since he posted his recording. Same situation with IronChef, who could be asked if he wants a remaster made public.

Not disagreeing with you about posting a show or two. Ultimately it's up to the individual taper on that front. I try to encourage more folks to try taping as opposed to depending on others' postings.

And no on the Toronto 2019 show, I only have the one show that I recorded from that tour.

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PS, you wouldn't happen to have a decent recording of Toronto (Burl's creek) 2019 would you?....grinning smiley ...(if 'you' don't ask......

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PS, you wouldn't happen to have a decent recording of Toronto (Burl's creek) 2019 would you?....grinning smiley ...(if 'you' don't ask......

i've been waiting for a recording of that show to pop up too also seattle 2019

i asked dapsy once if he knew if a recording of seattle existed in private circles or in public and he said no

but i still hold out a slim hope that someday it'll appear

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rskinno
Thanks to 'ironchef' it's a very nice recording,
but the vocals are in my right ear of my headphones.
I edited the sound in the center (vocals) and the screaming
audience in the left corner. And now I have to say it
is great. It's like a floating sound. It's also great,
that someone dares to publish his recording.

Thank you !!!

Rskinno--just curious, can you elaborate on your mastering process? What sort of tools and software do you use? For example, you mentioned the off-center audio on the IronChef Chicago recording, which is a common issue for audience recordings. What tool would you use to fix it? Would have PM'ed you but your email is hidden.

a little off topic and sorry to butt in but how would you fix it?

i'd like to know what would be the best way to do it

i know i know just look it up but i have no idea where to do that or even how to phrase it if i did so might as well ask

I will note that I have not listened to the Ironchef source, so I can't say for sure how much the off-center element. Mentioned that the vocals are off-center, but my guess would be the whole recording is off center. Likely due to sitting off-center so mics in a hat are aimed at the PA on an angle. Very common with mic sources, and big part why many tapers spend a lot of money to get dead center seats (audience recording is all about location, location, LOCATION!).

That said, can be addressed largely in post. No one specific way, but here's what I would do:

Scenario #1: Audio is centered, but there's a volume imbalance on the mics themselves (it happens)
Solution: Boost the gain on the quieter channel

Scenario #2: Audio is off center due to orientation of PA. For example, left channel is slightly lower and less clear.
Solution (multi step):
1. Look at the alignment in Izotope RX. Often times there will be a 3-15 sample offset between the left and the right, which is the difference in time that it takes for the sound to reach the left and right mics. Use the azimuth adjustm tool in Izotope RX and line them up.
2. Load into your favorite DAW. Waves plugin S1 Imager is lovely for adjusting off center audio, and even have a visual representation of the rotation of sound. Adjust the assymetry and rotation to represent the orientation of mics to the PA, and it should be mostly centered.
3. (Optional) I usually mono out, or at least 50-75% of the way, the low end on the recordings. Very rarely does the low end have any panning at shows, and you certainly wouldn't be able to capture accurate panning of low end if your recording is off-center to start with. So unless you're recording Radiohead at the dead center position, mono'ing out the low end can help. Since you're combining the left/right in this case, it's really important to do step #1 or else you may have some phase cancellation of music elements.

Common workflow for a lot of auds I've worked. Hope this helps. I find adjusting the gain up a bit if it's off-center doesn't fix the issue. Like I said, it's not the only way to get it to a good spot, just my favorite.

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PS, you wouldn't happen to have a decent recording of Toronto (Burl's creek) 2019 would you?....grinning smiley ...(if 'you' don't ask......

i've been waiting for a recording of that show to pop up too also seattle 2019

i asked dapsy once if he knew if a recording of seattle existed in private circles or in public and he said no

but i still hold out a slim hope that someday it'll appear

Doesn't have for Seattle 2019, but I would encourage you (and others) to coordinate taper coverage more. There are plenty of Seattle area (or others) tapers that would be more than willing to go tape the show if you bought them a ticket.

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And that's fair. Have to do things within your means.

I will say I've seen other fangroups crowd source tickets for tapers. Think having a handful of folks all throwing in $20 to buy a known taper a ticket, who would then share their work with the group. Would be better than cell phone audio sources in my opinion, but not sure if there's the interest or drive among the Stones fan group here.

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Thanks a lot ...

Give me your e-mail address and I will give you
my remaster of this recording.
You were always great to me. In what they accused me of.
It's up to you. Whether you want it or not.

Hi rsk, I would but don't want to make my email public....thanks anyway ... ... Personally, unless a post/upload says "Please do not change" - I would say you have every right to do what you want. (These others are not masters of the universe.

Do you think I should share them
without becoming insulting

I would recommend reaching out to the taper on DIME and ask. It's good form to provide the taper with a copy for review before releasing publicly. I recognize this won't always be possible for older recordings, but this recording is less than a week old and the taper is easily contactable at the site they uploaded.

Best case scenario is they love your remaster, give the blessing, and everybody benefits. Worst case is they decline, but you can still keep and listen to your remaster. No ambiguity if it should or shouldn't be released.

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And that's fair. Have to do things within your means.

I will say I've seen other fangroups crowd source tickets for tapers. Think having a handful of folks all throwing in $20 to buy a known taper a ticket, who would then share their work with the group. Would be better than cell phone audio sources in my opinion, but not sure if there's the interest or drive among the Stones fan group here.