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ironbelly
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Welcome to stamp collectors community .

I didn’t actually join the stamp collectors, yet. I’m tempted to find out which 2009 releases of Goats Head Soup have the censored “Star Star” rarity. After I buy the CDs, find out what I want to know, write the definitive essay on the censored “Star Star” on CD, then I have a pile of dust collectors which I spent a lot of money.

I think we gathered enough information to share so people can find this gem on CD. We won’t have to listen to poor-sounding bootlegs.



IFPI codes for modern discs are important. They allow to confirm the CD is legal but not Chinese counterfeit. Also, they might be used to track back the defective pressing.

But these codes do not tell you what digital material is on the CD. IFPI codes are IDs for factories.

The information about the actual content of the program can be found through the matrix number/runout. That long line of letters and digits around the hub of the CD. The coding is individual for each plant and company. And here the fun begins. That is real hardcore 'stamps collecting' stuff .

In the case of USA:
Matrix / Runout (Variant 1): DIDX-222140 1
DIDX - Digital IDentification eXternal, is a Sony Records identification code that was used to track the manufacturing of compact discs by Sony for other companies. This disc was pressed by Sony plant in the USA, not Polydor. That is why matrix begins with DIDX.

Oh, cool! DIDX is an acronym.

222140 - internal number for Sony plant (equivalent to work order or catalog number), the second part of DIDX identification code.

1 - number of glass master(ing attempt). Glass master is the thing from which all the CDs of the given title will be replicated. Actually, it is the initial stamp from which 'fathers' will be made'; from 'fathers' - 'mothers' will be made and from 'mothers' - 'stamplers' will be made; finally, 'stamplers' will be loaded to moulding machines and CDs will be replicated. That is the same replication circle as for old-good records (vinyl).

We know that DIDX-222140 1 contains censored version.

Matrix / Runout (Variant 2): DIDX-222140 1
This one does not matter. It is made from the same glass master(ing attempt) #1, glass master was prepared using the same LBR L332,

LBR Code (Laser Beam Recorder Code) – The Laser Beam Recorder is used to make the Master Disc. LBR L332 identifies a particular machine.

but the CD was replicated at different moulding machine. Digitally it is exact clone to Variant 1.

Matrix / Runout (Variant 3): DIDX-222140 3
DIDX-222140 is the same, internal Sony code.

3 - the third glass master(ing attempt). Glass master was prepared using different LBR L328 (which, actually, does not matter much, L332 at that moment might be busy with different process).
And here we have uncensored version of the song.
The only thing that bothers me in this case is IFPI CC303. That is not Sony US IFPI code but Chinese.



I Googled IFPI CC303 and there were several pirated CDs by many artists with the IFPI CC303 SID Code.

[www.google.com]

This information below which I posted came from Discogs.
Matrix / Runout (Variant 3): DIDX-222140 3
Mastering SID Code (Variant 3): IFPI L328
Mould SID Code (Variant 3): IFPI CC303



I'd like to look at the hub of that disc more closely. In China they used to replicate everything almost to perfection. But they always missed tiny details. Like font style. Also, that CC303 - it does not look right at all.

It is obvious if a CD has the IFPI CC303 code, then it is pirated in China.




Anybody here with Goat's Head Soup CD with
Matrix / Runout (Variant 3): DIDX-222140 3
Mastering SID Code (Variant 3): IFPI L328
Mould SID Code (Variant 3): IFPI CC303
???
Can you provide a scan/photo of the hub the CD to see the details clearly? Also, is it possible to make a rip of the CD using EAC to check the peak values of the tracks?

I've been searching for the US-censored "Star Star" Blake was the only person lucky enough to get a DIDX-222140 3. I've asked every seller on eBay for the codes of the 2009 GHS CD they are selling.

Likewise for Polydor EU.
06025 270 156-0 01 * 52294809

06025 270 156-0 - internal Polydor number and catalog number
01 - glass master(ing attempt)
* = ID for glass mastering location (LBR).

Those '*', '/' and '+' date back to early 80's. They were used at PolyGram pressing plant in Hanover. A kind of tradition.
52294809 - work order.

This one came with censored track as stated back on the 1st page of this thread.

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My US copy = Matrix / Runout (Variant 3): DIDX-222140 3 = uncensored
My EU copy = Matrix / Runout: 06025 270 156-0 01 * 52294809 = censored

Maybe Blake hit the jackpot with pirated CDs? I have a suspicion that only the censored version was issued in the USA. I have a suspicion that only the uncensored was released in Europe.

06025 270 156-0 01 * 52333628
Still the same 06025 270 156-0 01 *, because, the same catalog number for the CD and (apparently) it was the 1st glass master(ing attempt) for given CD. But different work order 52333628. This one might have uncensored track. One should check that disc in person. I mean, to listen to the actual physical CD. I do not own this one and I do not want to produce another 'urban legend'.

Just when I was thinking I won't bother tracking down every CD mastered with 2009 masters for GHS and thinking this thread was about to fade away, it's getting very interesting.

Let me explain the situation with matrix strings with Polydor EU. As an example that infamous She Was Hot/I Think I'm Going Mad disc from Singles 1971-2006 box set will be used.

The initial pressing had a glitch (defect of production) at the beginning of I Think I'm Going Mad
Matrix 06025 275 978-3 01 + 52696414

After complaints, they issued and offered a replacement. That disc was without the glitch but it came with wrong cue point. I.e., the beginning of I Think I'm Going Mad (approximately 1 sec.) was firmly 'glued' in digital to the end of She Was Hot. No problem if you listen the disc as the whole thing. But if you'll try to listen I Think I'm Going Mad alone, the first second of the track will be missing.
Matrix 06025 275 978-3 01 * 52739105

After another set of complaints, they issued another replacement. This time everything was corrected right
Matrix 06025 275 978-3 01 + 52760164

As you see, catalog number and glass master 01 were the same for all discs. In two cases they used the same glass mastering location (LBR ID) '+'. But the work orders are different.

I wonder which one I have.

With GHS issued by Polydor EU we have similar situation, i.e., different work orders - 52294809 and 52333628. Thus, the content of the CDs might be different.

I am tired of typing .

PS. Canadian disc carries old fashion ID that was used by WEA US and Cinram Canada in the 90's - M0S1. It stands for 'mother' #0, 'stampler' #1.