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ISO: 1963 Demo Info - It Should Be You - The Rolling Stones?
Posted by: exilestones ()
Date: October 12, 2021 14:11

631120C 20th - 21st November: London, Regent Sound Studios. Producer: Andrew
Oldham. Sound engineer: Bill Farley.
- It Should Be You (MJ/KR) -demo for George Bean
- Leave Me Alone (MJ/KR) -STU on piano; demo for Doug Gibbons
- Shang A Doo Lang (MJ/KR) -demo for Adrienne Poster
- So Much In Love (MJ/KR) -demo for The Mighty Avengers (21.11.)
- Sure I Do (BJ) -unverified
- Will You Be My Lover Tonight (MJ/KR) -demo for George Bean; unverified
- With A Song In My Heart ( ) -unconfirmed

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[www.youtube.com]

Is "It Should Be You" actually performed by the
Rolling Stones or were there session musicians involved?

What is the story of these early demos?

Here are some quotes from YouTube:

"This was one of the first things that Mick & Keith ever "wrote." I put the
word "wrote" in quotes, because the melody is pretty much just a reworking of
the old standard, "One Mint Julep." It was recorded and released as a single by
George Bean in December of 1963, with another early Jagger & Richards
composition, "Will You Be My Lover Tonight?" on the flipside. It did not chart."

"Might sound like Herman's Hermits, but Mick Jagger's natural voice is unmistakeably fantastic!!"






[www.youtube.com]
George Bean. Will You Be My Lover Tonight/It Should Be You

George Bean's single sounds like a different sound track.

Does it sound like Keith at 4:00?

There's a lot of guitar work (3:40) that sounds like Keith but I'm no expert.




Deltics IORR

1: Will You Be My Lover Tonight -- George Bean
2: It Should Be You -- George Bean


Decca F 11808, January 10 1964
Producer: Andrew Oldham.

Andrew Oldham obviously thought that George Bean had some potential having
produced his first single "Secret Love" b/w "Lonely Weekends" (Decca F 11762)
in late 1963, quite possibly with some Stones involvement in the recording.

This single was the first Jagger-Richard 'A' and 'B' side to be released, but,
unfortunately, nobody bought it!

Oldham also recorded another Jagger-Richard song with Bean, "My Only Girl",
which was never released but was picked up by Gene Pitney and retitled "That
Girl Belongs To Yesterday".

After another flop single, "A Sad Story" b/w "Er-Um-Er" (Decca F 11922) also
produced by Oldham, Bean, with his imaginatively named band "The Runners",
moved to British CBS for one single and later appeared in the movie "Privilege"
starring Paul Jones (of Manfred Mann), where he sang "Onward Christian
Soldiers" and "Jerusalem". He subsequently formed the group Trifle, which was
managed by Robert Stigwood with future Strawbs member Rod Coombes in the
lineup.

The Stones' versions of these songs have never been officially released but
bootleg recordings are available although, in the case of "Will You Be My Lover
Tonight", only as a fragment as part of a medley.




[www.youtube.com]

Does it sound like Brian on harmonic?
I'd lobe to collect all Brian Jones harmonic playing
George Bean - Er-Um-Er

IS there a collection of all of these demos in one boot?
Is there a collection of the same songs by the artist?

I'm surprised these tracks didn't show up on Metamorphosis.

I really miss Allan. He's still helping me!








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Re: ISO: 1963 Demo Info - It Should Be You - The Rolling Stones?
Posted by: ironbelly ()
Date: October 12, 2021 18:04

Compilation of the tracks by original artists was issued by French Jukebox magazine on CD in 2000 as Connection 1963-1966 [SAGA - RS1].
Tracklist and pictures are here
[www.discogs.com]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021-10-12 18:05 by ironbelly.

Re: ISO: 1963 Demo Info - It Should Be You - The Rolling Stones?
Posted by: exilestones ()
Date: October 13, 2021 02:53

Quote
ironbelly
Compilation of the tracks by original artists was issued by French Jukebox magazine on CD in 2000 as Connection 1963-1966 [SAGA - RS1].
Tracklist and pictures are here
[www.discogs.com]

Thank you











1 The Rail Roaders*– Memphis Tennessee
Written-By – C. Berry*
2:28

2 George Bean– Lonely Weekends
Written-By – C. Rich*
3:11

3 Cleo Sylvester– To Know Him Is To Love Him
Written-By – P. Spector*
3:06

4 The Mighty Avengers– Walking Thru The Sleepy Cities
Written-By – M. Jagger/K. Richards*
3:04

5 Ian Stewart & The Rail Roaders*– Stu Ball
Written-By – B. Wyman*, I. Stewart*
2:05

6 The Rail Roaders* With Keith R.*– I Wanna Be Your Man
Written-By – J. Lennon/P. McCartney*
1:47

7 The Herd*– So Much In Love
Written-By – M. Jagger/K. Richards*
2:12

8 Vashti*– Some Things Just Stick In Your Mind
Written-By – M. Jagger/K. Richards*
2:13

9 George Bean– Secret Love
Written-By – Webster*, Fain*
2:24

10 The Rail Roaders*– I Do Like To See Me On The "B" Side
Written-By – A. Oldham*, B. Wyman*, C. Watts*
2:28

11 The Rail Roaders* With Mick J.*– Da Doo Ron Ron
Written-By – P. Spector/E. Greenwich/J. Barry*
2:20

12 The Thee*– Each And Everyday
Written-By – M. Jagger/K. Richards*
2:08

13 The Toggery Five– I'd Much Rather Be With The Boys
Written-By – A. Oldham*, K. Richards*
2:28

14 The Rail Roaders*– There Are But Five Rolling Stones
Written-By – A. Oldham*, M. Leander*
2:20

15 George Bean– It Should Be You
Written-By – M. Jagger/K. Richards*
2:14

16 The Mighty Avengers– Blue Turns To Grey
Written-By – M. Jagger/K. Richards*
2:36

17 Adrienne Poster*– Shang A Doo Lang
Written-By – M. Jagger/K. Richards*
1:44

18 Bobby Jameson– All I Want Is My Baby
Written-By – M. Jagger/K. Richards*
2:45

19 The Rail Roaders*– 365 Rolling Stones
Written-By – A. Oldham*, M. Leander*
2:00

20 George Bean– Will You Be My Lover Tonight
Written-By – M. Jagger/K. Richards*
2:38

Re: ISO: 1963 Demo Info - It Should Be You - The Rolling Stones?
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: October 13, 2021 02:54

Hey yeah got that CD somewhere ..... ^^^^^^



ROCKMAN

Re: ISO: 1963 Demo Info - It Should Be You - The Rolling Stones?
Posted by: Elmo Lewis ()
Date: October 13, 2021 02:56

Wasn't The Herd Peter Frampton's band?

Re: ISO: 1963 Demo Info - It Should Be You - The Rolling Stones?
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: October 13, 2021 03:02





ROCKMAN

Re: ISO: 1963 Demo Info - It Should Be You - The Rolling Stones?
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: October 13, 2021 13:01

Quote
Elmo Lewis
Wasn't The Herd Peter Frampton's band?

Yes, it was. I think Bill Wyman produced his pre-Herd group, actually.

Re: ISO: 1963 Demo Info - It Should Be You - The Rolling Stones?
Posted by: exilestones ()
Date: October 13, 2021 13:30

Quote
exilestones





[www.youtube.com]
George Bean "Will You Be My Lover Tonight/It Should Be You"

George Bean's single is a different soundtrack than the "It Should Be You" Stones demo.

Does it sound like Keith's guitar work at 0:57 and 1:17-1:30 and a little buried at the end of the song?


There's a lot of guitar work that sounds like Keith but I'm no expert.




Deltics IORR

1: Will You Be My Lover Tonight -- George Bean
2: It Should Be You -- George Bean


Decca F 11808, January 10 1964
Producer: Andrew Oldham.

Andrew Oldham obviously thought that George Bean had some potential having
produced his first single "Secret Love" b/w "Lonely Weekends" (Decca F 11762)
in late 1963, quite possibly with some Stones involvement in the recording.



The Stones' versions of these songs have never been officially released but
bootleg recordings are available although, in the case of "Will You Be My Lover
Tonight", only as a fragment as part of a medley.




[www.youtube.com]

Does it sound like Brian on harmonic?
I'd love to collect all Brian Jones harmonica playing
George Bean - Er-Um-Er


There are people who contribute to this forum (IORR) who are experts. When it comes to knowing a lot about guitar stuff, I'm certainly no expert. I come to you all for help and we share the same interests.

Even if you are no expert, would you please listen to these two tracks above and tell us, DO YOU THINK "It Should Be You" has the Rolling Stones as the band playing the music? To me, it sounds like the Stones rerecorded "It Should Be You" and George Bean is singing. If you listen to the guitar licks and other lead guitar, does the music sound like this song is the Rolling Stones for sure. Does it sound like George Bean's "It Should Be You" could have come off of an early Rolling Stones album? Is that Keith's guitar work. I'm no expert and know nothing about guitars/guitar work but I think it's the Rolling Stones doing the soundtrack. Comments are most welcome. I wish someone could confirm that it is in fact the "It Should Be You" is the Rolling Stones playing the music.

Even songs that don't have an attitude like "Walking the Dog," Jagger's delivery of the song has an attitude. Mick is convincing that Mrs Mack was broke her needle sewing while walking the dog. LOL!

The guitar work in George Bean's "It Should Be You" reminds me of "England's Newest Hit Makers." "I Just Want to Make Love to You" and "Walking the Dog" comes to mind. Don't ask me why because I don't know exactly.

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My other question, I'll also ask again, is it Brian Jones playing harmonica on George Bean's "Er-Um-Er?" I think it is Brian's harmonica solo at 0:48! I feel as though I know it's Brian on harmonica. Brian played harmonica on different recordings for various groups.

George Bean wasn't cool enough to pull off (to make a success, was not cool, delivery of the vocals did not have the attitude needed) what it needed to make "Er-Um-Er" a hit. He's no Mick Jagger!

I could imagine Jagger singing "Er-Um-Er," the song would work!


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The Rolling Stones worked extremely hard over the years. If anyone thinks they're just 'in it for the money is clueless. They could have retired a long time ago with plenty of money. If you look at the Rolling Stones schedule in the early years, it probably amazed you at the amount of high-quality music they produced, on top of the constant touring!

We have great resources the Rolling Stones did these demo songs. We have the recordings. We have no information on who is playing the instruments on the released George Bean recordings mentioned in this post.

If we somehow took George Bean's "It Should Be You" would we have a Rolling Stones recording? I think the music is great on George Bean's "It Should be You." What if we had the soundtrack of George Bean's "It Should Be You" and took the vocals from the Stones Demo of "It Should Be You?" Would it be the Rolling Stones performing "It Should Be You?" I think so but I'm no expert. If you prove me wrong, It's okay. I want the truth or good opinions.

Thanks, as always, for your contributions to us Rolling Stones fans! Thank you for all the help everyone has given me. IORR has the best, most generous, kind, cool, and most interesting people online, anywhere! You know who you are! You are awesome!

Re: ISO: 1963 Demo Info - It Should Be You - The Rolling Stones?
Posted by: exilestones ()
Date: October 13, 2021 14:13

The Herd is an interesting topic being involved in the music scene with the Rolling Stones (Bill, Andrew, Demos, etc...). There's a bigger story to be told about the Rolling Stones' Early Demos.


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The Herd (British band)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Origin London, England, United Kingdom

Years active 1965–1969

Past members:

Peter Frampton
Andy Bown
Tony Chapman
Mick Underwood
Andrew Steele
Terry Clark
Gary Taylor
Louis Cennamo
Henry Spinetti

The Herd was an English rock band, founded in 1965. In 1966, 16-year-old Peter Frampton joined as lead singer and guitarist. The band had three UK top twenty hits in the late 1960s, including "From the Underworld" and "I Don't Want Our Loving to Die", before Frampton left in 1968 to form Humble Pie with Steve Marriott. The band broke up shortly after, reforming briefly and unsuccessfully in 1971.

The Herd were founded in 1965 in south London and recorded three unsuccessful singles with Parlophone. In 1966 three members in succession (Terry Clark, Louis Cennamo, and Mick Underwood) quit the group[1] and the group got the line-up that made it famous. The singer, Peter Frampton, was 16 when he joined the group in 1966 and had just left school.



 
With his boyish photogenic looks, Frampton was dubbed
   "The Face of ’68" by teen magazine Rave.






The Herd - So Much In Love - Jagger/Richards
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"The line up of the band at this time was Gary Taylor (guitar, vocals), Andy Bown (keyboards, vocals), Andrew Steel (drums) and Louis Cennamo (bass)." - Deltics IORR

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The Mighty Avengers - So Much In Love - YouTube
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Re: ISO: 1963 Demo Info - It Should Be You - The Rolling Stones?
Posted by: exilestones ()
Date: October 16, 2021 05:14

ROLLING STONES/VARIOUS Connection 1963-66 (French-only 20-track compilation CD album featuring tracks written or backed by members of the Rolling Stones, includes To Know Him Is To Love Him by Cleo Sylvester and Some Things Just Stick In Your Mind, custom card picture sleeve featuring a great black and white photo of The Stones with Cleo Sylvester SAGARS1).


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Quote
stonesmuziekfan
CONNECTION 1963-66
20 rarest songs, written, composed or played by Rolling Stones.

CD was included in the French magazine "jukeboxmag": [www.jukeboxmag.com]

Copied by VGP on disc 2 of the 2 CD set "Metamorphosis Plus" (unnumbered VGP title under the label "White Knight Records")
(Disc 1 is the official Metamorphosis album.)

Lineage:
Original golden CD (Metamorphosis Plus) -> EAC -> FLAC Frontend -> You

01 Memphis Tennessee - The Railroaders*
02 Lonely Weekends - George Bean
03 To Know Him Is To Love Him - Cleo Sylvester
04 Walkin' Thru The Sleepy City - The Mighty Avengers
05 Stu Ball - Ian Stewart & The Railroaders
06 I Wanna Be Your Man - The Railroaders* With Keith Richards
07 So Much In Love - The Herd
08 Some Things Just Stick In Your Mind - Vashti
09 Secret Love - George Bean
10 I Do Like To Seem Me On The B Side - The Railroaders*
11 Da Doo Ron Ron - The Railroaders* With Mick Jagger
12 Each And Everyday Of The Year - The Thee
13 I'd Much Rather Be With The Boys - The Toggery Five
14 There Are But Five Rolling Stones - The Railroaders*
15 It Should Be You - George Bean
16 Blue Turns To Grey - The Mighty Avengers
17 Shang A Doo Lang - Adrienne Poster
18 All I Want Is My Baby - Bobby Jameson
19 365 Rolling Stones - The Railroaders*
20 Will You Be My Lover Tonight - George Bean

* artwork says "The Railroaders" but I think it's rather The Andrew Oldham Orchestra. Only track 5 is Ian Stewart & The Railroaders

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