7/20/22 EDIT - FINISHED THE PROJECT - SEE BOTTOM OF THIS THREAD FOR NEW SAMPLES / FLACS / DETAILS

Greetings,

I'm working on a remaster of this gig and have made progress but hit a little roadblock.

The source I am using is Silkcut 1978's Declicked version - THE ROLLING STONES - "ALL MEAT MUSIC" (TMOQ vinyl rip) (Thanks Silcut 1978!)

I'm having an issue with side 3 of the vinyl - the part that starts with Sweet Virginia - the original TMOQ Vinyl "ALL MEAT MUSIC" is just a poor pressing as there is more surface noise on this side.

Does anyone know of a cleaner source - or a different vinyl rip that does not have the same artifacts? (It seems all digital copies out there are based on Silkcut 1978's rip these days).

Here is a before and after sample for ref.

We Transfer

There is too much denoising at certain areas which will be adjusted - but you get the idea of what can be done.

Thanks!

Soundboard



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2022-07-21 04:00 by soundboard.

The best version I heard so far, is your 2020 remaster. It will be hard, to find another source.

I hear no surface noise on VGP-283. Sample Sweet Virginia from the latest VGP edition on golden CDs: [we.tl]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021-09-18 19:57 by wiredallnight.

Did you check this one [www.dimeadozen.org] Remastered by Enigma?

[we.tl]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021-09-19 02:11 by gonzalo76.

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BlueTurns2Grey
The best version I heard so far, is your 2020 remaster. It will be hard, to find another source.

Thanks BlueTurns2Grey,
Hopefully this version I am working will be even better

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wiredallnight
I hear no surface noise on VGP-283. Sample Sweet Virginia from the latest VGP edition on golden CDs: [we.tl]

Thanks for the heads up wiredallnight - I will compare.
Appreciate your help.

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gonzalo76
Did you check this one [www.dimeadozen.org] Remastered by Enigma?

[we.tl]

Thanks Gonzalo76 - I'm comparing these sources.

Thank you for posting - I'll post the final when done.

THX

Keep going, soundboard!


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ROLLING STONES Nicaraguan Benefit Concert 1973 & 1975 TV report

And while you're at it, please add Midnight Rambler (encore) to your effort. Thanks!

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gimme_shelter
And while you're at it, please add Midnight Rambler (encore) to your effort. Thanks!

Has MR ever been circulating? It seems to be as rare as the 100 Club gig or a complete EL Mocambo concert. All we have from MR, is a photo of Keith with a capo on fret 7, or am I wrong?

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gimme_shelter
And while you're at it, please add Midnight Rambler (encore) to your effort. Thanks!

Has MR ever been circulating? It seems to be as rare as the 100 Club gig or a complete EL Mocambo concert. All we have from MR, is a photo of Keith with a capo on fret 7, or am I wrong?

No, you're not wrong. MR is missing. But since everybody nowadays is remastering, remixing, re-editing, reinventing songs i'd thought that to create a MR is possible!

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gimme_shelter

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BlueTurns2Grey

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gimme_shelter
And while you're at it, please add Midnight Rambler (encore) to your effort. Thanks!

Has MR ever been circulating? It seems to be as rare as the 100 Club gig or a complete EL Mocambo concert. All we have from MR, is a photo of Keith with a capo on fret 7, or am I wrong?

No, you're not wrong. MR is missing. But since everybody nowadays is remastering, remixing, re-editing, reinventing songs i'd thought that to create a MR is possible!

Your wish should come true. A lot of us would give a few Dollars/Euros for that.

It's an historic show,certainly but not the best sound on it unfortunately.
The dime upload sounds ok on Bitch but way too slow on Route 66 to my ears.
Would be great to see an official release but I very much doubt they bothered to record it.

Yes please.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2022-07-22 20:43 by exilestones.

Hey Exile Stones,
Thanks for the support.
After the suggestions above I found Silkcut's De-Clicked version was the best.
I started over.
This boot is a rabbithole of discovery.
Each song has it's own dynamic range and surface noise issue from the original vinyl.
That said it is getting there.
The below sample contains Silkcut's original then the work in progress I have been doing which is a bit bright in this sample. I have been working on the highs lately after getting the vinyl noise out.
Sadly it is not Dolby Atmos

[we.tl]

Finished and up on DIME:
[www.dimeadozen.org]

Posting WT link for non Dime IORR members below this post.

Notes from Dime:

The Rolling Stones
The Forum
Inglewood, CA
January 18th, 1973

Contrast Clause: This version has a known lineage from the original TMOQ vinyl and has been remastered.

The other version on the tracker is here:
[www.dimeadozen.org]
It has a longer lineage with possible unknowns and has been remastered.

Sources:
1/ Original Vinyl Rip Lineage (written by Silkcut 1978):
"Technics SL-1210MK2 with Shure M97 x E (MM) - DENON PMA-710 - direct source, no equalizing - capture with CoolEdit Pro 2.0 - de-crackle with Soundforge 9.0 - normalizing, fade-in and fade-out, track-splitting again with CE Pro 2.0 - flac with flac-frontend on a VM-machine with Windows XP as flac isn't running under Windows 7 (at least not on my PC) - correction of SBE's with Trader's Little Helper (thanks again, tjkrol)"

2/ Lineage for this Remaster
Above Flac Source > Wav > Amadeus Pro > Wav > Flac

Setlist:
00. Introduction
01. Brown Sugar
02. Bitch
03. Rocks Off
04. Gimme Shelter
05. Route 66
06. It's All Over Now
07. Happy
08. Tumbling Dice
09. No Expectations
10. Sweet Virginia
11. You Can't Always Get What You Want
12. Dead Flowers
13. Stray Cat Blues
14. Live With Me
15. All Down the Line
16. Rip This Joint
17. Jumping Jack Flash
18. Street Fighting Man

LINE UP
Mick Jagger – lead vocals, harmonica
Keith Richards – guitar, backing vocals
Mick Taylor – guitar
Bill Wyman – bass guitar
Charlie Watts – drums
Nicky Hopkins – piano
Ian Stewart – piano
Bobby Keys – saxophones
Jim Price – trumpet, trombone

Known faults:
- Speed issue in “Sweet Virgina” that I could not improve, so I left it as is
- The last track of the show “Midnight Rambler” is missing from this release and has never appeared to my knowledge

This concert was performed to benefit victims of earthquake that happened in Nicaragua on December 23, 1972.

This is one of the magical bootlegs that sparked my interest at the very beginning. I saw it in the used record bins at independent record stores (Scorpio Records on West 4th in Vancouver) and eventually picked up a copy. This was one of many releases by Trademark of Quality (TMOQ) that had intriguing insert artwork by William Stout, the art adding even more to the mystery of where this thing had come from.

Years later I read about the history of TMOQ and the path of how this and other boots came about. Some good background on the story here:
[theamazingkornyfonelabel.wordpress.com]

The story of how William Stout began doing artwork for TMOQ here:
[wimwords.com]
There is also a nice scan of this releases inner sleeve artwork included in the above article.

This is one of my favorite Rolling Stones boots because of the set list and especially the version of Route 66. Ever since I heard this recording, I always hoped the original tape would appear in the same way that the “Liv’r Than You’ll Ever Be” (another TMOQ release) tapes did. I have read that the pressing plates and maybe the master tape for this gig were thrown into the Pacific Ocean in a moment of paranoia by the makers and that the only low gen sources of the show are the original vinyl pressings. I decided I should try to make a version that was more listenable for my own pleasure.

My vinyl copy has long disappeared. All CD boots come from the original TMOQ vinyl so that lineage is hazy, I looked for something with a known lineage and found Silkcut 78’s source through recommendations on the IORR message board.

This boot is a rabbit hole of discovery. Each of the four sides has its own dynamic range and surface noise issues from the original vinyl. Silkcut78 used a de-crackle process to clean up the audio to create a great archived TMOQ copy. For this project I wanted to try to remove as many of the surface noise issues, thumps, and clicks as possible. I joined the files into one giant track and set about denoising with heavy handed voodoo and witchcraft to see how far this thing could be pushed. The next step was trying to make it sound closer and find as much of Mick’s voice as I could (He is just lost in the live mix on Brown Sugar and later at the end of the concert). Charlie and Bill were challenges also and still lost at some points due to the original source limitations. Keith’s guitar is present but also lost at times because as those familiar with the recording Mick Taylor’s guitar is very upfront most of the show and buries the band at moments. There may have been some real PA audio issue also as Mick calls out the sound crew at a point so maybe it’s not just where the taper was positioned, perhaps the audience could not hear him either.

Last was trying to master this moving target. I played this back through many different environments, car, living room, headphones at home, and earphones walking around. Each time I tried to tweak something more it sounded to heavy on the low end or too bright in the highs, so I have settled on this mix as the best all around version. You may need to adjust it either way for your system and feel free to do so – this is for listening pleasure.

SPECIAL THANKS go out to Silkcut1978, Jaap, and Erik Snow for providing the vinyl transfer, and to the IORR community in general.

Here we are 49 years, 6 months, 2 days later, a celebration of this amazing release.

Soundboard
July 2022



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 2022-07-21 04:04 by soundboard.

Here are before and after samples of Route 66 and No Expectations in mp3:

[we.tl]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2022-07-21 03:51 by soundboard.

Here is link to complete flac files:

[we.tl]

Thanks Tor your work and for sharing.

Thank you good work !

thanks for all that went into making this

thanks! look forward to listening