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The Millennium Remasters Collection - audiophile archival recordings. Mono or stereo original sources done with 24-bit mastering.

The folks at Millennium Remasters have taken the Mobile Fidelty Sound Labs 12-LP boxset "The Rolling Stones" and expertly tranfered the high-quality MFSL half-speed mastered LPs to CD. The sound quality is in amazing true mono and stereo.

The discs were released in a 4-disc jewel case arrangement including an information booklet in each.


I have this 12 LP rips in my mp3 folder, but the tracks state Flac.
Some Girls is 206 MB while Broessels upload is 228 MB, so reason to believe mine are indeed lossy, but must check.

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MFSL never had rights for production of the CDs for The Rolling Stones.

Most probably this release is a kind of a needle drop made by somebody using known vinyl source and more or less advanced playback/ripping setup. I bet you can find quite a few needle drops of those releases on torrent sites. Try also to check Prof. Stoned or pbthal sites for those.

PS. That Millennium Remasters Collection blurb is utter gibberish.

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stonesmuziekfan
The Millennium Remasters Collection - audiophile archival recordings. Mono or stereo original sources done with 24-bit mastering.

The folks at Millennium Remasters have taken the Mobile Fidelty Sound Labs 12-LP boxset "The Rolling Stones" and expertly tranfered the high-quality MFSL half-speed mastered LPs to CD. The sound quality is in amazing true mono and stereo.

The discs were released in a 4-disc jewel case arrangement including an information booklet in each.


I have this 12 LP rips in my mp3 folder, but the tracks state Flac.
Some Girls is 206 MB while Broessels upload is 228 MB, so reason to believe mine are indeed lossy, but must check.

edit;
Both mine and Broessel's Some Girls CD reach up to 17000 Hz
The difference in MB-size is that I miss the artwork, so when Broessel will upload the full set, or the art of this full set, I can make my set complete and upload to Stonesvault.

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The Millennium Remasters Collection - audiophile archival recordings. Mono or stereo original sources done with 24-bit mastering.

The folks at Millennium Remasters have taken the Mobile Fidelty Sound Labs 12-LP boxset "The Rolling Stones" and expertly tranfered the high-quality MFSL half-speed mastered LPs to CD. The sound quality is in amazing true mono and stereo.

The discs were released in a 4-disc jewel case arrangement including an information booklet in each.


I have this 12 LP rips in my mp3 folder, but the tracks state Flac.
Some Girls is 206 MB while Broessels upload is 228 MB, so reason to believe mine are indeed lossy, but must check.

I am not allowed to provide a direct link to official material, but if you'll search that infamous russian site you'll find
The Rolling Stones - Original Master Recordings Box Set [11 LP] in 24/192 format as big as 17.42 GB and another one in 24/96 (two versions - transferred by by Dr.Robert and by vinylhound) 17.84 GB

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I figured most of the pirated material came from CDs. However, I don't think MFSL Sticky Fingers or Some Girls were released on CD.

Ironbelly, you have me wondering about pbthal and needle drop. Does anyone have any links to any pbthal and needle drops?

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I wonder if LP rips would be better than the CDs?

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I don't know the Russian site (I think I did stumble across it once).

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I figured most of the pirated material came from CDs. However, I don't think MFSL Sticky Fingers or Some Girls were released on CD.

Ironbelly, you have me wondering about pbthal and needle drop. Does anyone have any links to any pbthal and needle drops?

Not a single CD of The Rolling Stones was released by MFSL. MFSL provided some A->D transfers that ended up on old West German and Japanese London CDs.


I understand the MFSL made no CDs but they did produce the LPs? Am I correct?



That is it. Sticky Fingers and Some Girls were never released on CD with MFSL involvement. Any CD that states MFSL whatever Remaster is a pirate one.


I know that Sticky Fingers and Some Girls were never released by MFSL, just the LPs. I remember hearing the MFSL Some Girls a long time ago and don't remember it being much different from what I was used to.

Thanks to a great person on IORR I'll get to hear both MFSL Some Girls and Sticky Fingers. I was hoping we'd get a much different mix of Sticky Fingers and Some Girls as we did with the MFSL London/POCD CDs.



It is not allowed here to present links to official material. You should google for pbthal archives. The site is full of vinyl rips (aka neddledrops) made on high quality equipment (not only Stones). But again, as long as almost everything is official - no links here.

That Google search should be easy enough. I have email too ;0). I've seen "Needledrop" before and have a great Hot Rocks that says it's 'NeedleDrop." Is Needle Drop a person, label or a term used to describe a quality of a vinyl rip? I know that the NeedlDrop of Hot Rocks is fabulous! I have often considered making my own Hot Rocks and using YCAGWYW and Midnight Rambler from MFSL mixes. Sympathy from the second London Years/Singles, etc..

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I wonder if LP rips would be better than the CDs?

Depends on many factors. There is no ultimate answer. Lets say, an average Joe using regular equipment can not produce good needledrop. You should trust the pro. Also, recent LPs sound better because limitations of vinyl technology do not allow extremely high compression and very high volumes. Thus, needledrops of those should sound better than CD. But there is to many water under that bridge, lots of other stuff too.


Oh, yeah, roger that! The results are only as good as the person and equipment producing the material.

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I don't know the Russian site (I think I did stumble across it once).

The name of that torrent site is rutracker. Again, no links and no discussion of the content over there because mostly official material is presented. Google yourself. Please keep in mind that for some territories i-net providers block that site like piratebay.

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I've seen "Needledrop" before and have a great Hot Rocks that says it's 'NeedleDrop." Is Needle Drop a person, label or a term used to describe a quality of a vinyl rip?

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The MFSL mixes of the Rolling Stones albums first came out on the London label. It's my belief that the CDs from the 1980s are not as sonically good as CDs from after 1991 or so. Take the first Steel Wheels for example and compare it to the second release.

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Since I believe 1980s CDs are not as sonically good as CDs from after the 1990s,

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I wonder if the best sounding MFSL CDs are from the POCD series?

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IornBelly, will you please repost the photos of the collection of your London, POCD

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Also, I understand the first two issues of the London CDs are best compared to the later rereleases due to the fade-ins. But there are only a few LONDON CDs with fade-ins, right? Only certain songs, right? Do we have a list of the fade-ins? Maybe some of the third, fourth, etc.. pressings of the London CDs are very good?

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Are the P33L series and the P25L series all MFSL mixes?

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When it comes to the MFSL (Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs) mixes of the Rolling Stones, is there one series that is better than another? Are there individual releases of certain albums (MFSL mix) that are better than the others?

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If you would confirm if I have this information correct, none of the Japanese MFSL releases have fade-ins?

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I've seen "Needledrop" before and have a great Hot Rocks that says it's 'NeedleDrop." Is Needle Drop a person, label or a term used to describe a quality of a vinyl rip?

Needle Drop = Vinyl Rip. Usually


Thanks for solving that mystery. I've found "Needle Drop" to be high quality. I'm not sure if what I collected is all from vinyl.

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The MFSL mixes of the Rolling Stones albums first came out on the London label. It's my belief that the CDs from the 1980s are not as sonically good as CDs from after 1991 or so. Take the first Steel Wheels for example and compare it to the second release.

What do you mean by 1st and 2nd release of Steel Wheels? If you are talking CBS (1989) and Virgin (1994) - that is different mastering. And you should compare mastering but not releases. It does not mean that CD made in the 80s sound worth than CD made in the 90. They are of different mastering.


Thanks for your patience. I'll have to check the Steel Wheels CDs I have. I may have compared CBS to Virgin. I'll have to get back to you on that one. There's a huge difference between CBS and Virgin releases. So, remastering means EQing?

I remember the first Steel Wheels with the CD having beautiful etched artwork etched into the CD. The next release didn't have etchings but ink or paint on the cd BUT THE SOUND WAS FAR SUPERIOR. These two releases led me to the presumption that the digital technology had gotten better like I believe it has with some of the latest SHM-CDs or SACDs. Obviously, I'm not well-versed in audio technology.


Also, I know you can tell the different masters/mixes, etc... by running the songs through a program and seeing the results.

I'd love to know each and every variation of each Rolling Stones song and album. Which program do you use? Then do you just look at the visual results and can see that there is a difference in the visual results between the images?

I'd love to know of every mix of every Stones song. There seem to be more and more releases with different masterings (I'm not sure what the definition of "mastering" vs "mix").

Following the CD mixes/masters seemed simple in the beginning with the Abkco owned albums (1960s). We had Abkco 1986 (aka Old Abkco) and the MFSL (1984-1985). If I have this information correct, Abkco releases were all the same 'Old Abkco' until the 2002 Remastered Series came about. The MFSL mixes were basically the same through several series into the 1990s. Then there are a few titles which you refer to as "Japanese production," which are stereo or mostly stereo from the 1990s Japan).

The 2002 Remastered Series (DSD) are the only Abkco mixes/masters up to and including anything release until now with maybe a few exceptions. The 2016 mono mixes were new or most of them were new.

In 2015 Abkco rereleased Satisfaction for its 50th anniversary. Abkco wrote, "Mastered by Carl Rowatti at Trutone Mastering Labs and cut from the original mono master tapes, the 45-rpm 12-inch format makes this a true audiophile pressing, allowing for wider grooves that yield louder levels, broader range, deeper bass, and better high-frequency response."

My question about this 50th Anniversary Satisfaction is it anything different than what we had on CD before. Is the mix on it rare for a CD release? I'm thinking it's probably the same as the 2016 "The Rolling Stones in Mono" releases.

In the last year or so, there is a set of five CD singles released in Japan commemorating 1973 45's released for the Stone's '73 tour of Japan that got canceled. The music on these CDs is not whatever they used on the original singles.

There of the singles use the 2016 mono mixes but the information about the other two state....


..."featuring remastering in 2018/2019 (STEREO)."

What are they telling us in the above statement? It looks like something new here but it doesn't say there's a new mix, just a new remaster. Am I safe to presume that this recent release uses the Abkco 2002 Remastered Series mixes with new mastering? Does new remastering make much of a difference?


Cardboard sleeve reissue from The Rolling Stones. The mini-LP is 7inch size, and faithfully replicates the design of the single LP released in 1973. Use the audio tracks featuring remastering in 2018 (STEREO). Features the high-fidelity SHM-CD format. Japanese original release.

[www.cdjapan.co.jp]

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Since I believe 1980s CDs are not as sonically good as CDs from after the 1990s,

Most of the audiophiles from S. Hoffman music forum will disagree with you.


idk, The people over at Steve Hoffman TV know more than I know!

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I wonder if the best-sounding MFSL CDs are from the POCD series?

No. They are digital clones to previous releases. Take any line of your table
P33L25014=P25L25031=POCD1911
P33L25008=P25L25032=POCD1912
P33L25015=P25L25033=POCD1913
....
And so on and so forth
Digital clone means that if you will rip the CD using EAC in secure mode you will get the very same 1001001 for P33L25014 and P25L25031 and POCD1911...
It means that the rips of those discs will be digitally indistinguishable.

Thank you for your insight. Then they all have the same sound. The only issues are the CDs with the fade-ins. I guess there's no list of CDs with fade-ins? I did find from the link you sent (Stereo Stones Luke Pac) that mentions fade-ins on Hot Rocks only.


"London CDs with 820 catalog numbers are from Europe/Germany, while London CDs with P33L, P25L, and POCD catalog numbers are from Japan. Also, note that the European/German Hot Rocks 1 CD was remastered a few years after it was released, and that version has added fade-ups and fade-outs on several songs. The Japanese releases of Hot Rocks 1 were based on the original European/German issue, and do not have added fade-ups or fade-outs."

I guess we'll never know why somebody messed up songs by fading them in and out. WTF was that all about?

And there are a few POCDs that are not Old Abkco or MFSL which you said are modified MFSL mixes Do you have any more detail to add the description of "modified MFSL mixes?"

THANKS FOR THE INFO! I just ordered POCD-1919! I may not be able to tell the differences between POCD-1919 and the MFSL releases. Maybe I need to run the tracks through a program to look at them. I'm excited to know what sounds or on POCD-1919. I'll be glad to rip it and share POCD-1919 when it arrives.





"ROLLING STONES Big Hits (High Tide And Green Grass) (1995 or 1996 Japanese 14-track CD album with 26-page lyric booklet picture sleeve with lyrics in Japanese and English with bonus colour sticker and obi-strip POCD-1919).













Thus, the first part is controversial statement. POCD series digitally are not any different from P25L and P33L (if you are talking about rips, if you collect physical media - that is different story but I do not want to start about CD jitter that is not described in the Red Book, CD rot for old JVC CDs etc.).

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IornBelly, will you please repost the photos of the collection of your London, POCD

I have only Big Hits from that series. Need to find scans

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Also, I understand the first two issues of the London CDs are best compared to the later rereleases due to the fade-ins. But there are only a few LONDON CDs with fade-ins, right? Only certain songs, right? Do we have a list of the fade-ins? Maybe some of the third, fourth, etc.. pressings of the London CDs are very good?

I already answer these questions on the other thread.
[iorr.org]





List of the tracks with fade ins can be found here
[lukpac.org]

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Are the P33L series and the P25L series all MFSL mixes?

Yes, modified MFSL mixes but both Big Hits and No.2 which are local Japanese production.

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When it comes to the MFSL (Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs) mixes of the Rolling Stones, is there one series that is better than another? Are there individual releases of certain albums (MFSL mix) that are better than the others?

West German CDs. You can choose any edition/re-issue with exception of
The Rolling Stones [820 047-2], this one is mono only, but you should look for pressing from glass master 01 for cold ended Tell Me

Let It Bleed [820 052-2] from glass master 01 or 02. The most common one from glass master 03 is marginally different with silence trimmed in the beginning and at the end of the CD and with very minor volume/EQ adjustments for a couple of tracks.

Hot Rocks 1 [820 141-2] from glass masters 01 or 02. These came w/o fades.

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If you would confirm if I have this information correct, none of the Japanese MFSL releases have fade-ins?

Japanese releases came w.o fade ins. But December's Children is all mono, while W. German disc contains 2 wide stereo tracks.

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Stereo Stones mentions a different mix of "Heart of Stone" on bootlegs. Does anyone know which bootlegs? I guess I'll be downloading every bootleg with "Heart of Stone" on it.

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[www.discogs.com]

Is Talk Is Cheap a legit or pirate release? Anyone know?

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[www.discogs.com]

Is Talk Is Cheap a legit or pirate release? Anyone know?