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POST: Black And Blue and other 1975 sessions - Vol 01 (FP 111)
Posted by: StonyRoad ()
Date: June 16, 2021 21:13

The BLACK AND BLUE sessions
Presentation, objectives and thanks:
After “Undercover”, “Tattoo You”, “Some Girls”, “Emotional Rescue”, “Dirty Work”, “Steel Wheels” here you’ll find the “Black And Blue”-sessions.
The original idea was to collect all circulating versions of the tracks used for “Black And Blue” and the sessions from this era (1974-75).
As for the previous project I did two versions: one with the untouched tracks and another one with my DIY... always with the idea in mind that you can keep only what you prefer. For this compilation I left out all the versions that were used for official releases.
As usual I decided to post this project in volumes of two CDs: the first CD of each volume containing the untouched versions and the second CD my DIY.
I used Nico Zentgraf's Rolling Stones Complete Works Database a lot: [www.nzentgraf.de] of which I tried to respect the chronology and the order of the proposed versions. It was not always easy to spot the different versions; the result is not perfect and surely may be criticized. It's possible that I made (I certainly did!) mistakes... I thank you in advance for helping me to find and correct them. Don’t forget that all this is done for pleasure and passion...
I also used the Rolling Stones Bootleg Database: [www.dbboots.com]
I thank them warmly and also my partners in crime Enrique, Jaap and nzb, for their advice and revisions and BlueTurns2Grey who sent me his tape transfer.

Notes:
- Concerning the speed: I checked and corrected the speed for the tracks which circulate as official releases. Of course it’s possible that the speed of the recordings was changed in the post production!

References kept for the sources
«BT2G» = coming from a set of 4 cassettes from 1984, "Rotterdam Rehearsals Jan./Feb. 1975 Part I - IV" transfered by BlueTurns2Grey
«DAC 057» = «For Your Precious Love» (DAC 057)
«DAC 088» = «Munichland Melodies»
«DAC 104» = «Sheep-Dip-Blues»
«DAC 114» = «The Paris rehearsals»
«DAC 168» = «Love You Live Mixes»
«F F» = «Fully Finished»
«GS 3» = «GemStones Vol 3»
«IMP» = «Static In The Attic» Idol Mind Productions (IMP N-004)
«IU» = «It's Only Rock 'n' Roll - Outtakes» Invasion Unlimited (IU 9536-1)
«MC 142» = «1975 rehearsals Rotterdam»
«MF» = «Black And Blue Sessions» Mayflower 127/128
«RTR» = «The Real Alternate Black ‘n’ Blue» (Red Tongue Records) (RTR 021)
«RYF» = «Black And Blue Outtakes» Rebel Yell Factory RYF 009
VGP 057 = «Lonely At The Top»
VGP 237 = «Fast Talking»

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The BLACK AND BLUE sessions
Volume 1:

A°] The Recordings for the upcoming album
Part I - The Munich Sessions of 1974

5th - 19th December: Munich, West-Germany, Musicland Studios (without MT).
Producers: The Glimmer Twins. Sound engineers: Keith Harwood, Reinhold Mack.
Additional musician: Nicky Hopkins (p, org, string synth).
01a - Act Together #1a (0’43) (IMP) - introduction trials and false starts
01b - Act Together #1a (0’38) (reworked) channel equalization, improved cuts
Note: lossy file
02a - Act Together #1b (4’48) (GS3) - Nicky Hopkins on piano; instrumental
02b - Act Together #1b (4’48) (reworked) channel equalization (+10% to the left), sound amplification.
03a - Act Together #2 (4’06) (VGP 362) - Nicky Hopkins on piano; instrumental, with additional guitar-overdub
03b - Act Together #2 (4’07) (reworked) mix with VGP on the left and IMP on the right channel (after decelerating by -0,22%), only the last 8 seconds are solely from IMP (note: this segment is lossy)

04a - Cherry Oh Baby #1 (4’35) (MF) - an Eric Donaldson song, Nicky Hopkins on organ; early take without RW (probably recorded on the 15th December)
04b - Cherry Oh Baby #1(4’37) (reworked) a default on the left channel corrected from 0'21 to 0’28 seconds (by increasing the right canal by + 60%), the last second is from RTR, decelerated by -0,16%
Notes:
Cherry Oh Baby #2 with Nicky Hopkins on organ and RW on guitar is the Black And Blue-version
Cherry Oh Baby #3 with Nicky Hopkins on organ and RW on guitar is the edited Black And Blue-8-track-version
See also Part V (Montauk rehearsals) and Part VI (Rotterdam rehearsals)

05a - Crazy Mama #1 (4’09) (EXR) - early take with partly different lyrics
05b - Crazy Mama #1 (4’19) (reworked) decelerated by -1,7%, little defaults deleted in the beginning, sound amplification, count in from IMP (after noise reduction).
Notes:
Crazy Mama #2 with RW on guitar and backing vocals, Billy Preston on piano and backing vocals, Ollie Brown on cowbell is the Black And Blue-version
Crazy Mama #3 with RW on guitar and backing vocals, Billy Preston on piano and backing vocals, Ollie Brown on cowbell; is the edited Sucking In The 70’s-version

06a - Fool To Cry #1a (0’08) (IMP) - introduction trials or false starts
06b - Fool To Cry #1a (0’43) (reworked)
Note: lossy file
07a - Fool To Cry #1b (5’53) (GS3) - Nicky Hopkins on piano and string synthesizer; early version with different lyrics and no backing vocals, probably recorded on December the 12th
07b - Fool To Cry #1b (5’53) (reworked) discreet count in and final comments upgraded (with noise reduction)

08a - Fool To Cry #2 (5’10) (DAC 088) - Nicky Hopkins on piano and string synthesizer; early version with finished lyrics, lacking some overdubs
08b - Fool To Cry #2 (5’04) (reworked) sound amplification, noise reduction in the first 30 seconds and at the end to decrease the hiss.
08c - Fool To Cry (2’13) mix of #1 (right channel) and #2 (left channel). Because the 2 versions were very different only a part could be mixed (make me a favor and listen it with headphone!)
Notes:
Fool To Cry #3 - Nicky Hopkins on piano and string synthesizer, Wayne Perkins on guitar, Billy Preston on backing vocals is the Black And Blue-version
Fool To Cry #4 - Nicky Hopkins on piano and string synthesizer, Wayne Perkins on guitar, Billy Preston on backing vocals is the edited Sucking In The 70’s-version

09a - I Got A Letter #1 (4’25) (GS3) - Nicky Hopkins on piano; instrumental
09b - I Got A Letter #1 (4’24) (reworked) sound amplification, noise reduction in the first seconds to increase the slight count-in
10a - I Got A Letter #2 (4’30) (VGP 362) - Nicky Hopkins on piano; vocals by KR; under the working title Cable From My Baby
10b - I Got A Letter #2 (4’31) (reworked)


Part II - The Rotterdam Sessions of 1975
22nd January - 9th February: Rotterdam, Holland, De Doelen, Mobile Record Unit.
Producers: The Glimmer Twins. Sound engineers: Keith Harwood, Glyn Johns.
Additional musicians: Billy Preston (p, org, string synthesizer, bvoc)/Wayne Perkins (gtr)/Robert A. Johnson (gtr; 6.-9.02.)/Jeff Beck (gtr; 6.-9.02.)/Rory Gallagher (gtr; 23.-24.01.)/Mick Ronson (gtr; unconfirmed)/ Steve Marriott (gtr).
I Love Ladies - song title probably incorrect a/k/a Sexy Nite
This title exists in 3 different forms, all published by DAC
This is the same take but:
DAC 104 is a mono version but it is the longest (6'11)
DAC 088 of intermediate duration (4'41)
DAC 114 has a different mix, stereo effects in the first 30 seconds but it's the shortest (3'32)
I therefore chose to keep the 3 versions.
11a1 - I Love Ladies (6’11) (DAC104) - mono mix, longest version
11a2 - I Love Ladies (4’41) (DAC088) - stereo mix, shortened version
11a3 - I Love Ladies (3’32) (DAC114) - different stereo mix, shortest version
11b - I Love Ladies (6’13) (reworked) mix with DAC 114 from start to 0’24 then DAC 104 (after sound amplification).

12a - Slave #1a (7’23) (VGP 362) - nearly instrumental under title Vagina, Billy Preston on piano, count in
12b - Slave #1a (7’18) (reworked) - accelerated by 1,08%
13a - Slave #1b (9’47) (FP 073) - longer as 1a, some shouting a/k/a Vagina #1
13b - Slave #1b (9’47) (FP 073) accelerated by 0,25%
14a - Slave #1c (8’48) (DAC 088) - more elaborated, some shouting a/k/a Vagina #2
14b -Slave #1c (8’45) (FP 073) mix DAC 088 and DAC 114
Notes:
14a, 14b, 15a & 15b are the same as in the FP n°073
Slave #2 is from a 1980 sessions (cf. FP 073)
Slave #3 is from a 1981 sessions (cf. FP 073)
Slave #4 is the version kept for ‘Tattoo You’
Slave #5 is the longer version used for the 2009 remastered ‘Tattoo You’-version
For the rehearsals versions see Part VI





Posted by StonyRoad in 2021 on IORR: [iorr.org]
link valid until 23/06/21
[we.tl]
volume 2 tomorrow

Norbert
email: stonyroad58@gmail.com



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021-06-16 21:16 by StonyRoad.

Re: POST: Black And Blue and other 1975 sessions - Vol 01 (FP 111)
Posted by: Norbert ()
Date: June 16, 2021 21:40

Thanks a lot!
CrazyMama

Re: POST: Black And Blue and other 1975 sessions - Vol 01 (FP 111)
Posted by: BlueTurns2Grey ()
Date: June 16, 2021 21:43

Thanks a lot for your work! smileys with beer



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021-06-16 21:48 by BlueTurns2Grey.

Re: POST: Black And Blue and other 1975 sessions - Vol 01 (FP 111)
Posted by: stonesmuziekfan ()
Date: June 16, 2021 21:53

THX

Re: POST: Black And Blue and other 1975 sessions - Vol 01 (FP 111)
Posted by: 5strings ()
Date: June 16, 2021 22:21

Thanks !!

Re: POST: Black And Blue and other 1975 sessions - Vol 01 (FP 111)
Posted by: 5strings ()
Date: June 16, 2021 22:41

Sorry but where can i find «GS 3» = «GemStones Vol 3» ?



Keith's Guitar on FTC is so gooooooooooooooooooooooooood


I just find it now



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Re: POST: Black And Blue and other 1975 sessions - Vol 01 (FP 111)
Posted by: vancouver ()
Date: June 16, 2021 23:07

thank you for your hard works

Re: POST: Black And Blue and other 1975 sessions - Vol 01 (FP 111)
Posted by: StoneZP ()
Date: June 16, 2021 23:34

Thanks a lot SR!

The shortest version ever?spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
06a - Fool To Cry Ia - Munich 74 (IMP 004) 0'08.wav

Re: POST: Black And Blue and other 1975 sessions - Vol 01 (FP 111)
Posted by: Antonio218 ()
Date: June 16, 2021 23:58

Thanks a lot Norbert

Re: POST: Black And Blue and other 1975 sessions - Vol 01 (FP 111)
Posted by: gotdablouse ()
Date: June 17, 2021 01:04

Thanks, another stellar production with impressive attention to detail !

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Re: POST: Black And Blue and other 1975 sessions - Vol 01 (FP 111)
Posted by: Andrea82 ()
Date: June 17, 2021 01:11

Thanks!

Re: POST: Black And Blue and other 1975 sessions - Vol 01 (FP 111)
Posted by: gonzalo76 ()
Date: June 17, 2021 01:42

Thank you very kindly Norbert!!! smileys with beer

Re: POST: Black And Blue and other 1975 sessions - Vol 01 (FP 111)
Posted by: gagiwh ()
Date: June 17, 2021 01:44


Re: POST: Black And Blue and other 1975 sessions - Vol 01 (FP 111)
Posted by: afilosa09 ()
Date: June 17, 2021 01:55

I'm looking forward to this!

I just wanna add, am I the only one who finds it a bit odd that the band was recording Act Together AFTER giving it away to Ronnie? And that, despite this being later, the song somehow sounds less developed?

Re: POST: Black And Blue and other 1975 sessions - Vol 01 (FP 111)
Posted by: exilestones ()
Date: June 17, 2021 02:50

Thank you

Re: POST: Black And Blue and other 1975 sessions - Vol 01 (FP 111)
Posted by: okenny ()
Date: June 17, 2021 05:45

Thanks for New project

Re: POST: Black And Blue and other 1975 sessions - Vol 01 (FP 111)
Posted by: Amarant ()
Date: June 17, 2021 08:12

Thanks very much!!!

Re: POST: Black And Blue and other 1975 sessions - Vol 01 (FP 111)
Posted by: gaizoku ()
Date: June 17, 2021 08:19

Thank you.

Re: POST: Black And Blue and other 1975 sessions - Vol 01 (FP 111)
Posted by: emr9410 ()
Date: June 17, 2021 08:30

Thanks !!

Re: POST: Black And Blue and other 1975 sessions - Vol 01 (FP 111)
Posted by: stalemate97 ()
Date: June 17, 2021 08:42

Incredible, another great work. Many thanks, Norbert

Re: POST: Black And Blue and other 1975 sessions - Vol 01 (FP 111)
Posted by: exil ()
Date: June 17, 2021 12:33

Thanks Stony.Look forward to this.Cheers

Re: POST: Black And Blue and other 1975 sessions - Vol 01 (FP 111)
Posted by: blackadder ()
Date: June 17, 2021 18:02

thanks a lot!

Re: POST: Black And Blue and other 1975 sessions - Vol 01 (FP 111)
Posted by: hulloder ()
Date: June 17, 2021 19:28

Top work!!! Thanks!!!

Re: POST: Black And Blue and other 1975 sessions - Vol 01 (FP 111)
Posted by: Quique-stone ()
Date: June 17, 2021 20:16

Once again amazing project and incredible work!
Thanks a lot Norbert!
smileys with beer

Re: POST: Black And Blue and other 1975 sessions - Vol 01 (FP 111)
Posted by: Mimi73 ()
Date: June 17, 2021 21:46

Great, thank you for that!

Re: POST: Black And Blue and other 1975 sessions - Vol 01 (FP 111)
Posted by: DoctorStone ()
Date: June 17, 2021 22:38

thank you smiling smiley merci smiling smiley danke smiling smiley gracias

Re: POST: Black And Blue and other 1975 sessions - Vol 01 (FP 111)
Posted by: nbutton ()
Date: June 18, 2021 16:38

Thank You

Re: POST: Black And Blue and other 1975 sessions - Vol 01 (FP 111)
Posted by: hobshobs1 ()
Date: June 18, 2021 18:52

Great stuff as always. Many thanks.

Re: POST: Black And Blue and other 1975 sessions - Vol 01 (FP 111)
Posted by: ikikmanuel4 ()
Date: June 18, 2021 19:00

Thanks manthumbs up

Re: POST: Black And Blue and other 1975 sessions - Vol 01 (FP 111)
Posted by: gomper076 ()
Date: June 20, 2021 08:53

I'm looking forward to giving this a listen. Thank you.

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