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Disagree, guitars up front, Charlie is up in the mix. On SFM, Ronnie's acoustic guitar is great to hear.
Steel Wheels Rare Reels
01. Play With Fire (CNE Stadium/Toronto/Sept. 3, 1989)
02. Dead Flowers (CNE Stadium/Toronto/Sept. 3, 1989)
03. Almost Hear You Sigh (Wembley Stadium/London/July 6, 1990)
04. I Just Want To Make Love To You (Wembley Stadium/London/July 6, 1990)
05. Street Fighting Man (Wembley Stadium/London/July 6, 1990)
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Because bass is boosted at 100-120 Hz. It hits you directly in stomach. One can listen to those only on cheap headphones or laptop speakers w/o bass response. Otherwise it sounds like crap. And I do not want to talk about overall Dynamic Range = 6.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021-02-16 22:02 by ironbelly.
can you recommend something from the 89/90 tour that you like better?
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Yes, I gave the tracks another listen and the bass is muffled.
The growl of the guitars is evident on SFM and I quite enjoy it.
I think it's a great live version of Dead Flowers but the guitars or rhythm guitar is too low in the mix. With that said, I still love it.
Play With Firs doesn't seem like much on the first few listens as but I realized it's great soft version.
Thank you kindly
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Steel wheels Atlantic City1989, bonus CD-rare reels. Anybody?
Posted by:
Kuntaman
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Date: February 15, 2021 14:55
Bonus CD rare reels. Five bonus songs. Anybody can help me download it?
Re: Steel wheels Atlantic City1989, bonus CD-rare reels. Anybody?
Posted by:
ironbelly
()
Date: February 15, 2021 15:12
Official material. Not allowed here.
BTW, you do not want to listen to it. It is mastered really bad. Barely listenable.
BTW, you do not want to listen to it. It is mastered really bad. Barely listenable.
Re: Steel wheels Atlantic City1989, bonus CD-rare reels. Anybody have it?
Posted by:
Kuntaman
()
Date: February 15, 2021 18:13
I meant if somebody could send me it on a link or mail.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021-02-16 03:15 by Kuntaman.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021-02-16 03:15 by Kuntaman.
Re: Steel wheels Atlantic City1989, bonus CD-rare reels. Anybody have it?
Posted by:
dennycranium
()
Date: February 16, 2021 15:41
Re: Steel wheels Atlantic City1989, bonus CD-rare reels. Anybody?
Posted by:
dennycranium
()
Date: February 16, 2021 16:21
Quote
ironbelly
Official material. Not allowed here.
BTW, you do not want to listen to it. It is mastered really bad. Barely listenable.
Disagree, guitars up front, Charlie is up in the mix. On SFM, Ronnie's acoustic guitar is great to hear.
Re: Steel wheels Atlantic City1989, bonus CD-rare reels. Anybody have it?
Posted by:
Kuntaman
()
Date: February 16, 2021 17:30
Have you spelled your mail adress right Dennycranium?
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2021-02-16 17:43 by Kuntaman.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2021-02-16 17:43 by Kuntaman.
Re: Steel wheels Atlantic City1989, bonus CD-rare reels. Anybody?
Posted by:
sbetz
()
Date: February 16, 2021 19:55
What are the 5 tracks?
Re: Steel wheels Atlantic City1989, bonus CD-rare reels. Anybody?
Posted by:
Irix
()
Date: February 16, 2021 21:50
Quote
sbetz
What are the 5 tracks?
Steel Wheels Rare Reels
01. Play With Fire (CNE Stadium/Toronto/Sept. 3, 1989)
02. Dead Flowers (CNE Stadium/Toronto/Sept. 3, 1989)
03. Almost Hear You Sigh (Wembley Stadium/London/July 6, 1990)
04. I Just Want To Make Love To You (Wembley Stadium/London/July 6, 1990)
05. Street Fighting Man (Wembley Stadium/London/July 6, 1990)
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Re: Steel wheels Atlantic City1989, bonus CD-rare reels. Anybody?
Posted by:
ironbelly
()
Date: February 16, 2021 22:01
Lets agree to disagree.Quote
dennycraniumQuote
ironbelly
Official material. Not allowed here.
BTW, you do not want to listen to it. It is mastered really bad. Barely listenable.
Disagree, guitars up front, Charlie is up in the mix. On SFM, Ronnie's acoustic guitar is great to hear.
Because bass is boosted at 100-120 Hz. It hits you directly in stomach. One can listen to those only on cheap headphones or laptop speakers w/o bass response. Otherwise it sounds like crap. And I do not want to talk about overall Dynamic Range = 6.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021-02-16 22:02 by ironbelly.
Re: Steel wheels Atlantic City1989, bonus CD-rare reels. Anybody have it?
Posted by:
dennycranium
()
Date: February 17, 2021 00:57
Re: Steel wheels Atlantic City1989, bonus CD-rare reels. Anybody?
Posted by:
dennycranium
()
Date: February 17, 2021 01:01
Quote
ironbellyLets agree to disagree.Quote
dennycraniumQuote
ironbelly
Official material. Not allowed here.
BTW, you do not want to listen to it. It is mastered really bad. Barely listenable.
Disagree, guitars up front, Charlie is up in the mix. On SFM, Ronnie's acoustic guitar is great to hear.
Because bass is boosted at 100-120 Hz. It hits you directly in stomach. One can listen to those only on cheap headphones or laptop speakers w/o bass response. Otherwise it sounds like crap. And I do not want to talk about overall Dynamic Range = 6.
can you recommend something from the 89/90 tour that you like better?
Re: Steel wheels Atlantic City1989, bonus CD-rare reels. Anybody have it?
Posted by:
Kuntaman
()
Date: February 17, 2021 06:23
I am trying to write to you dennycranium. But the mail is not delivered.
Can you write to me instead?
musikfantast@mail.com
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2021-02-17 13:00 by Kuntaman.
Can you write to me instead?
musikfantast@mail.com
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2021-02-17 13:00 by Kuntaman.
Re: Steel wheels Atlantic City1989, bonus CD-rare reels. Anybody?
Posted by:
henrik87
()
Date: February 18, 2021 14:34
The sound is raw but really guitar-driven and great.
SFM is a beast on the CD!
SFM is a beast on the CD!
Re: Steel wheels Atlantic City1989, bonus CD-rare reels. Anybody?
Posted by:
ironbelly
()
Date: February 18, 2021 15:06
Guys, you must be deaf or something claiming that bonus Rare Reels CD sounds great. It sounds awful!
I did a little homework some time ago.
We have a Guinea pig with Rare Reels – I Just Want To Make Love To You. This track (the very same recording on the very same date) is present on earlier releases:
1- HIGHWIRE (CD single), Rolling Stones Records 656756 2, March 25, 19 (marked here CBS 1991)
2 - RARITIES 1971-2003 (CD), Virgin 9463 47092 2 4 CDVX 3015 November 21, 2005 (marked Virgin 2005)
3 - THE ROLLING STONES SINGLES 1971-2006 (CD box set), Universal 06025 2760346 9 [Disc 31], April 11, 2011 (marked UM 2011)
and now on
RARE REELS, September 25, 2020 (marked UM 2020)
I know, it is a bit unfair to make this comparison because 1991-2005 releases (and even 20011) were mixed and mastered differently. They were not for bootleg-like live series. But anyway.
CBS 1991 – DR 13. Gently mastered without major tricks.
Sound clip
[www.dropbox.com]
Virgin 2005 – DR 8. Compressed in terms of 2005 but, probably, from the same tape
Sound clip
[www.dropbox.com]
UM 2011 – DR 9, probably, remaster of the initial 1991 tape again.
Sound clip
[www.dropbox.com]
UM 2020 – DR6, new guy in town, under discussion.
Sound clip
[www.dropbox.com]
It is clearly seen how brickwall develops. Even compressed 2005 and 2011 versions sound not THAT BAD. Extreme compression (DR6) makes the record loud, flat and lifeless. The main issue, however, is not only the loudness. It is hidden in EQ choice. Here are frequency spectra for
CBS 1991 (Virgin 2005 and UM 2011 are similar to this one)
and
UM 2020
The difference is – they boost everything below 120 Hz in 2020. That is for not only hearing but also feeling bass. A kind of club type of experience, everything is shaking in your stomach (but do we really need it here?). We got bass overload on this record. Will it be played in clubs? Highly unlikely. The only thing that is in mind – they were trying to make a record that will sound good on cheap headphones with negligible bass response.
The other feature is a couple of deep and sharp dips. One can accept the one at ~4.2 kHz. Here we have the most tiring frequencies for the ear. The range around 3 kHz – probably something to do with vocals and shshshshshhhh sound (but this also remove part of high-hats). The one at ~7 kHz – were they trying to do de-essing? Anyway, these dips were made (peak filters were used) to take away annoying frequencies but look ugly and kind of amateurish.
Listening experience for Rare Reels is less than pleasant. BOOM BOOB BOOM BOOM.
I did a little homework some time ago.
We have a Guinea pig with Rare Reels – I Just Want To Make Love To You. This track (the very same recording on the very same date) is present on earlier releases:
1- HIGHWIRE (CD single), Rolling Stones Records 656756 2, March 25, 19 (marked here CBS 1991)
2 - RARITIES 1971-2003 (CD), Virgin 9463 47092 2 4 CDVX 3015 November 21, 2005 (marked Virgin 2005)
3 - THE ROLLING STONES SINGLES 1971-2006 (CD box set), Universal 06025 2760346 9 [Disc 31], April 11, 2011 (marked UM 2011)
and now on
RARE REELS, September 25, 2020 (marked UM 2020)
I know, it is a bit unfair to make this comparison because 1991-2005 releases (and even 20011) were mixed and mastered differently. They were not for bootleg-like live series. But anyway.
CBS 1991 – DR 13. Gently mastered without major tricks.
Sound clip
[www.dropbox.com]
Virgin 2005 – DR 8. Compressed in terms of 2005 but, probably, from the same tape
Sound clip
[www.dropbox.com]
UM 2011 – DR 9, probably, remaster of the initial 1991 tape again.
Sound clip
[www.dropbox.com]
UM 2020 – DR6, new guy in town, under discussion.
Sound clip
[www.dropbox.com]
It is clearly seen how brickwall develops. Even compressed 2005 and 2011 versions sound not THAT BAD. Extreme compression (DR6) makes the record loud, flat and lifeless. The main issue, however, is not only the loudness. It is hidden in EQ choice. Here are frequency spectra for
CBS 1991 (Virgin 2005 and UM 2011 are similar to this one)
and
UM 2020
The difference is – they boost everything below 120 Hz in 2020. That is for not only hearing but also feeling bass. A kind of club type of experience, everything is shaking in your stomach (but do we really need it here?). We got bass overload on this record. Will it be played in clubs? Highly unlikely. The only thing that is in mind – they were trying to make a record that will sound good on cheap headphones with negligible bass response.
The other feature is a couple of deep and sharp dips. One can accept the one at ~4.2 kHz. Here we have the most tiring frequencies for the ear. The range around 3 kHz – probably something to do with vocals and shshshshshhhh sound (but this also remove part of high-hats). The one at ~7 kHz – were they trying to do de-essing? Anyway, these dips were made (peak filters were used) to take away annoying frequencies but look ugly and kind of amateurish.
Listening experience for Rare Reels is less than pleasant. BOOM BOOB BOOM BOOM.
Re: Steel wheels Atlantic City1989, bonus CD-rare reels. Anybody have it?
Posted by:
dennycranium
()
Date: February 18, 2021 16:16
Quote
Kuntaman
I am trying to write to you dennycranium. But the mail is not delivered.
Can you write to me instead?
[email protected]
Sent
Re: Steel wheels Atlantic City1989, bonus CD-rare reels. Anybody?
Posted by:
dennycranium
()
Date: February 18, 2021 16:19
Quote
ironbelly
Guys, you must be deaf or something claiming that bonus Rare Reels CD sounds great. It sounds awful!
I did a little homework some time ago.
We have a Guinea pig with Rare Reels – I Just Want To Make Love To You. This track (the very same recording on the very same date) is present on earlier releases:
1- HIGHWIRE (CD single), Rolling Stones Records 656756 2, March 25, 19 (marked here CBS 1991)
2 - RARITIES 1971-2003 (CD), Virgin 9463 47092 2 4 CDVX 3015 November 21, 2005 (marked Virgin 2005)
3 - THE ROLLING STONES SINGLES 1971-2006 (CD box set), Universal 06025 2760346 9 [Disc 31], April 11, 2011 (marked UM 2011)
and now on
RARE REELS, September 25, 2020 (marked UM 2020)
I know, it is a bit unfair to make this comparison because 1991-2005 releases (and even 20011) were mixed and mastered differently. They were not for bootleg-like live series. But anyway.
CBS 1991 – DR 13. Gently mastered without major tricks.
Sound clip
[www.dropbox.com]
Virgin 2005 – DR 8. Compressed in terms of 2005 but, probably, from the same tape
Sound clip
[www.dropbox.com]
UM 2011 – DR 9, probably, remaster of the initial 1991 tape again.
Sound clip
[www.dropbox.com]
UM 2020 – DR6, new guy in town, under discussion.
Sound clip
[www.dropbox.com]
It is clearly seen how brickwall develops. Even compressed 2005 and 2011 versions sound not THAT BAD. Extreme compression (DR6) makes the record loud, flat and lifeless. The main issue, however, is not only the loudness. It is hidden in EQ choice. Here are frequency spectra for
CBS 1991 (Virgin 2005 and UM 2011 are similar to this one)
and
UM 2020
The difference is – they boost everything below 120 Hz in 2020. That is for not only hearing but also feeling bass. A kind of club type of experience, everything is shaking in your stomach (but do we really need it here?). We got bass overload on this record. Will it be played in clubs? Highly unlikely. The only thing that is in mind – they were trying to make a record that will sound good on cheap headphones with negligible bass response.
The other feature is a couple of deep and sharp dips. One can accept the one at ~4.2 kHz. Here we have the most tiring frequencies for the ear. The range around 3 kHz – probably something to do with vocals and shshshshshhhh sound (but this also remove part of high-hats). The one at ~7 kHz – were they trying to do de-essing? Anyway, these dips were made (peak filters were used) to take away annoying frequencies but look ugly and kind of amateurish.
Listening experience for Rare Reels is less than pleasant. BOOM BOOB BOOM BOOM.
Yes, I gave the tracks another listen and the bass is muffled.
The growl of the guitars is evident on SFM and I quite enjoy it.
Re: Steel wheels Atlantic City1989, bonus CD-rare reels. Anybody have it?
Posted by:
Kuntaman
()
Date: February 18, 2021 17:53
Many thanks Denny Crain and Ironbelly!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021-02-18 17:58 by Kuntaman.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021-02-18 17:58 by Kuntaman.
Re: Steel wheels Atlantic City1989, bonus CD-rare reels. Anybody?
Posted by:
andrews27
()
Date: February 18, 2021 18:20
Here's a slightly OT question: Why does the mix on From the Vault: Sticky Fingers Live at Fonda Theater (CD) suck so bad as to be of bad-bootleg quality?
Disgraceful! cried the sergeant-major.
Disgraceful! cried the sergeant-major.
Re: Steel wheels Atlantic City1989, bonus CD-rare reels. Anybody?
Posted by:
exilestones
()
Date: February 18, 2021 20:11
Quote
IrixQuote
sbetz
What are the 5 tracks?
Steel Wheels Rare Reels
01. Play With Fire (CNE Stadium/Toronto/Sept. 3, 1989)
02. Dead Flowers (CNE Stadium/Toronto/Sept. 3, 1989)
03. Almost Hear You Sigh (Wembley Stadium/London/July 6, 1990)
04. I Just Want To Make Love To You (Wembley Stadium/London/July 6, 1990)
05. Street Fighting Man (Wembley Stadium/London/July 6, 1990)
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I think it's a great live version of Dead Flowers but the guitars or rhythm guitar is too low in the mix. With that said, I still love it.
Play With Firs doesn't seem like much on the first few listens as but I realized it's great soft version.
Re: Steel wheels Atlantic City1989, bonus CD-rare reels. Anybody?
Posted by:
detroitken
()
Date: February 19, 2021 01:47
Can these be posted on wetrans ?? please....
Re: Steel wheels Atlantic City1989, bonus CD-rare reels. Anybody?
Posted by:
rskinno
()
Date: February 19, 2021 20:50
Re: Steel wheels Atlantic City1989, bonus CD-rare reels. Anybody?
Posted by:
britstones
()
Date: February 19, 2021 20:56
Thank you, thank you, thank you rskinno!
Re: Steel wheels Atlantic City1989, bonus CD-rare reels. Anybody?
Posted by:
detroitken
()
Date: February 20, 2021 01:54
Thank you Denny......much appreciated...
Re: Steel wheels Atlantic City1989, bonus CD-rare reels. Anybody?
Posted by:
keithpinkmoon
()
Date: February 25, 2021 13:46
Quote
rskinnoQuote
Kuntaman
Bonus CD rare reels. Five bonus songs. Anybody can help me download it?
[we.tl]
Thank you kindly
Re: Steel wheels Atlantic City1989, bonus CD-rare reels. Anybody?
Posted by:
DoctorStone
()
Date: February 28, 2021 01:02
(tsp-cd-075-fb*) atlantic city '89 ... and more disc 4 [we.tl] good thru march 6th
*[www.discogs.com]
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*[www.discogs.com]
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 2021-02-28 02:27 by DoctorStone.
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