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I can't compare, as my other harddrive is elsewhere, but it does sound quite better than the Hamburg recordings I remembered, so maybe DAC did some great work for once?
As Rank Stranger wrote on Electric Ladyland, JJF is incomplete on the 2nd show, just like the Pignose Release, while it was complete on the TSITSTNL 2CD set - or maybe it was patched there? Haven't listened to that one in many years.
I don't either, unless he shared "Give Me a Hamburger" that had both shows (I don't think so though). Or maybe the Tarantula release used the silkcut version? i did not check yet.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2020-07-20 00:54 by blakeeik.
Spectogram - Frequency Track 03 gimme shelter
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Spectogram - Frequency Track 06 @#$%&
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Spectogram - Frequency Track 09 you can't always get what you want
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Spectogram - Frequency Track 12 all down the line
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Spectogram - Frequency Track 15 street fighting man
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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2020-07-20 18:58 by hj3009.
As axl79 said:
"1st show.
Mono audience recording.
This is the same sound source as on No-label release " HAMBURG 1973 1ST SHOW"
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The Complete Hamburg Tapes 1973 [DAC-193]
Posted by:
axl79
()
Date: July 18, 2020 11:27
Here comes link to new DAC release:
[we.tl]
Valid for one week
THE COMPLETE HAMBURG TAPES 1973
LABEL: DAC-193 (2CD)
SOURCE: Mono Audience recordings@Ernst-Merck-Halle, Hamburg, West-Germany. Oct.2, 1973 (1st & 2nd shows)
Lineage: Silver CDs -> EAC (secure mode) -> Flac (6) ->HDD
Disc 1 - 1st show
1. Brown Sugar
2. Gimme Shelter
. Happy
4. Tumbling Dice
5. Star Star
6. Dancing With Mr. D.
7. Angie
8. You Can't Always Get What You Want
9. Midnight Rambler
10. Honky Tonk Women
11. All Down The Line
12. Rip This Joint
13. Jumpin' Jack Flash
14. Street Fighting Man
Disc 2 - 2nd show
1. Brown Sugar
2. Gimme Shelter
3. Happy
4. Tumbling Dice
5. Star Star
6. Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo
7. Angie
8. You Can't Always Get What You Want
9. Midnight Rambler
10. Honky Tonk Women
11. All Down The Line
12. Rip This Joint
13. Jumpin' Jack Flash
14. Street Fighting Man
[we.tl]
Valid for one week
THE COMPLETE HAMBURG TAPES 1973
LABEL: DAC-193 (2CD)
SOURCE: Mono Audience recordings@Ernst-Merck-Halle, Hamburg, West-Germany. Oct.2, 1973 (1st & 2nd shows)
Lineage: Silver CDs -> EAC (secure mode) -> Flac (6) ->HDD
Disc 1 - 1st show
1. Brown Sugar
2. Gimme Shelter
. Happy
4. Tumbling Dice
5. Star Star
6. Dancing With Mr. D.
7. Angie
8. You Can't Always Get What You Want
9. Midnight Rambler
10. Honky Tonk Women
11. All Down The Line
12. Rip This Joint
13. Jumpin' Jack Flash
14. Street Fighting Man
Disc 2 - 2nd show
1. Brown Sugar
2. Gimme Shelter
3. Happy
4. Tumbling Dice
5. Star Star
6. Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo
7. Angie
8. You Can't Always Get What You Want
9. Midnight Rambler
10. Honky Tonk Women
11. All Down The Line
12. Rip This Joint
13. Jumpin' Jack Flash
14. Street Fighting Man
Re: The Complete Hamburg Tapes 1973 [DAC-193]
Posted by:
Rolling on
()
Date: July 18, 2020 11:37
Thank you very much, Axel!
Re: The Complete Hamburg Tapes 1973 [DAC-193]
Posted by:
HEILOOBAAS
()
Date: July 18, 2020 11:51
Thank you!
Re: The Complete Hamburg Tapes 1973 [DAC-193]
Posted by:
BlueTurns2Grey
()
Date: July 18, 2020 13:43
Thank you for sharing !
Re: The Complete Hamburg Tapes 1973 [DAC-193]
Posted by:
andrews27
()
Date: July 18, 2020 14:50
Thank You
Re: The Complete Hamburg Tapes 1973 [DAC-193]
Posted by:
CaptainAcid
()
Date: July 18, 2020 15:17
Thank you
Re: The Complete Hamburg Tapes 1973 [DAC-193]
Posted by:
blakeeik
()
Date: July 18, 2020 17:17
thank you axl
Re: The Complete Hamburg Tapes 1973 [DAC-193]
Posted by:
Antonio218
()
Date: July 18, 2020 18:21
Many Thanks indeed Axl
Re: The Complete Hamburg Tapes 1973 [DAC-193]
Posted by:
StoneZP
()
Date: July 18, 2020 20:21
That`s great!
Re: The Complete Hamburg Tapes 1973 [DAC-193]
Posted by:
letitloose6
()
Date: July 18, 2020 21:13
Thank you for sharing
Re: The Complete Hamburg Tapes 1973 [DAC-193]
Posted by:
dcba
()
Date: July 19, 2020 10:31
Can experts confirm that :
- cd1 is a (rather spectacular) rework of Silkcut's tape (that ran quite slow)
- cd2 is a straight copy of the 2013 "The Stars In The Sky They Never Lie - Caution!" 2-cd set?
- cd1 is a (rather spectacular) rework of Silkcut's tape (that ran quite slow)
- cd2 is a straight copy of the 2013 "The Stars In The Sky They Never Lie - Caution!" 2-cd set?
Re: The Complete Hamburg Tapes 1973 [DAC-193]
Posted by:
Tonstone
()
Date: July 19, 2020 11:33
Many Thanks 
.
.Re: The Complete Hamburg Tapes 1973 [DAC-193]
Posted by:
Paul Kersey
()
Date: July 19, 2020 12:37
Thank you!
Re: The Complete Hamburg Tapes 1973 [DAC-193]
Posted by:
Erik_Snow
()
Date: July 19, 2020 19:46
Quote
dcba
Can experts confirm that :
- cd1 is a (rather spectacular) rework of Silkcut's tape (that ran quite slow)
- cd2 is a straight copy of the 2013 "The Stars In The Sky They Never Lie - Caution!" 2-cd set?
I can't compare, as my other harddrive is elsewhere, but it does sound quite better than the Hamburg recordings I remembered, so maybe DAC did some great work for once?
As Rank Stranger wrote on Electric Ladyland, JJF is incomplete on the 2nd show, just like the Pignose Release, while it was complete on the TSITSTNL 2CD set - or maybe it was patched there? Haven't listened to that one in many years.
Re: The Complete Hamburg Tapes 1973 [DAC-193]
Posted by:
Rank Stranger
()
Date: July 19, 2020 21:10
Another marker:
The "The Stars In The Sky They Never Lie" Caution/unnumbered VGP has a dropout
at the end of "Angie", that is neither here nor on the Pignose release.
Info from axl79 on Electric Ladyland:
"1st show.
Mono audience recording.
This is the same sound source as on No-label release " HAMBURG 1973 1ST SHOW".
2nd show.
Mono audience recording. Same source as Pignose CDR release."
Maybe someone ( Erik!?? ) can persuade silkcut1978_ to share his recordings again,
or somebody, who still has the torrents should reupload.
As far as I know silkcut1978_ had posted both Hamburg shows and most Bootlegs use his source.
The "The Stars In The Sky They Never Lie" Caution/unnumbered VGP has a dropout
at the end of "Angie", that is neither here nor on the Pignose release.
Info from axl79 on Electric Ladyland:
"1st show.
Mono audience recording.
This is the same sound source as on No-label release " HAMBURG 1973 1ST SHOW".
2nd show.
Mono audience recording. Same source as Pignose CDR release."
Maybe someone ( Erik!?? ) can persuade silkcut1978_ to share his recordings again,
or somebody, who still has the torrents should reupload.
As far as I know silkcut1978_ had posted both Hamburg shows and most Bootlegs use his source.
Re: The Complete Hamburg Tapes 1973 [DAC-193]
Posted by:
blakeeik
()
Date: July 20, 2020 00:49
Quote
dcba
I don't have the evening show from silkcut.
I don't either, unless he shared "Give Me a Hamburger" that had both shows (I don't think so though). Or maybe the Tarantula release used the silkcut version? i did not check yet.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2020-07-20 00:54 by blakeeik.
Re: The Complete Hamburg Tapes 1973 [DAC-193]
Posted by:
Quique-stone
()
Date: July 20, 2020 08:35
Thanks a lot axl79!
Re: The Complete Hamburg Tapes 1973 [DAC-193]
Posted by:
Rank Stranger
()
Date: July 20, 2020 12:18
Thanks dcba!
Okay maybe I'm wrong thinking silkcut1978_ also delivered the second show.
So we have 3 sources for the first show:
silkcut1978_
mlejay - if that is a different version at all and not a higher gen tape
the horrible version on my cdr.
What disturbs me a little bit: there is absolutely nothing above 7kHz on silkcut1978_'s tape; this has been mentioned before:
[iorr.org]
[www.directupload.net]
Back then I wasn't sure as to whether I really had his version or a bad copy.
TLH test of dcba's upload:
01 intro.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 90%.
02 brown sugar.wav: track looks like CDDA with probability 43%.
03 gimme shelter.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 100%.
04 happy.wav: track looks like CDDA with probability 54%.
05 tumbling dice.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 100%.
06 @#$%&.wav: track looks like CDDA with probability 100%.
07 dancing with mr d.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 99%.
08 angie.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 100%.
09 you can't always get what you want.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 100%.
10 midnight rambler.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 100%.
11 honky tonk women.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 100%.
12 all down the line.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 93%.
13 rip this joint.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 100%.
14 jumpin' jack flash.wav: track looks like CDDA with probability 49%.
15 street fighting man.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 100%.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020-07-20 15:55 by Rank Stranger.
Okay maybe I'm wrong thinking silkcut1978_ also delivered the second show.
So we have 3 sources for the first show:
silkcut1978_
mlejay - if that is a different version at all and not a higher gen tape
the horrible version on my cdr.
What disturbs me a little bit: there is absolutely nothing above 7kHz on silkcut1978_'s tape; this has been mentioned before:
[iorr.org]
[www.directupload.net]
Back then I wasn't sure as to whether I really had his version or a bad copy.
TLH test of dcba's upload:
01 intro.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 90%.
02 brown sugar.wav: track looks like CDDA with probability 43%.
03 gimme shelter.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 100%.
04 happy.wav: track looks like CDDA with probability 54%.
05 tumbling dice.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 100%.
06 @#$%&.wav: track looks like CDDA with probability 100%.
07 dancing with mr d.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 99%.
08 angie.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 100%.
09 you can't always get what you want.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 100%.
10 midnight rambler.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 100%.
11 honky tonk women.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 100%.
12 all down the line.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 93%.
13 rip this joint.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 100%.
14 jumpin' jack flash.wav: track looks like CDDA with probability 49%.
15 street fighting man.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 100%.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020-07-20 15:55 by Rank Stranger.
Re: The Complete Hamburg Tapes 1973 [DAC-193]
Posted by:
hj3009
()
Date: July 20, 2020 18:56
Quote
Rank Stranger
Thanks dcba!
Okay maybe I'm wrong thinking silkcut1978_ also delivered the second show.
So we have 3 sources for the first show:
silkcut1978_
mlejay - if that is a different version at all and not a higher gen tape
the horrible version on my cdr.
What disturbs me a little bit: there is absolutely nothing above 7kHz on silkcut1978_'s tape; this has been mentioned before:
[iorr.org]
[www.directupload.net]
Back then I wasn't sure as to whether I really had his version or a bad copy.
TLH test of dcba's upload:
01 intro.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 90%.
02 brown sugar.wav: track looks like CDDA with probability 43%.
03 gimme shelter.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 100%.
04 happy.wav: track looks like CDDA with probability 54%.
05 tumbling dice.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 100%.
06 @#$%&.wav: track looks like CDDA with probability 100%.
07 dancing with mr d.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 99%.
08 angie.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 100%.
09 you can't always get what you want.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 100%.
10 midnight rambler.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 100%.
11 honky tonk women.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 100%.
12 all down the line.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 93%.
13 rip this joint.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 100%.
14 jumpin' jack flash.wav: track looks like CDDA with probability 49%.
15 street fighting man.wav: track looks like MPEG with probability 100%.
Spectogram - Frequency Track 03 gimme shelter
[www.cjoint.com]
Spectogram - Frequency Track 06 @#$%&
[www.cjoint.com]
Spectogram - Frequency Track 09 you can't always get what you want
[www.cjoint.com]
Spectogram - Frequency Track 12 all down the line
[www.cjoint.com]
Spectogram - Frequency Track 15 street fighting man
[www.cjoint.com]
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2020-07-20 18:58 by hj3009.
Re: The Complete Hamburg Tapes 1973 [DAC-193]
Posted by:
hj3009
()
Date: July 20, 2020 19:58
Hi!
I've got this one too
1973 10 02 Hamburg 1st show Hamburg 1973 (1st Show) [No label] ptrousse @ Dime
But spectogram & frequency analysis are the same ...
Info text @ Dime:
The Rolling Stones - Hamburg 1973 - 1st Show
--------------------------------------------
First Show Live At Ernst-Merck-Halle, Hamburg, West-Germany on October 2nd, 1973
From Silver CD - No Label
Released: 2013. Origin: Japan
MATRIX: Hamburg 1973
Good to very Good Stereo Audience recording. Complete show.
Taken from lower generation tape. Edited & Remastered.
First and second edition sticker available
Silver CD > EAC > Flac
Infos & Artwork Available Here : [dbboots.com]
1. Introduction [00:36]
2. Brown Sugar [03:26]
3. Gimme Shelter [05:16]
4. Happy [03:09]
5. Tumbling Dice [04:29]
6. Star Star [04:17]
7. Dancing With Mr.D [04:37]
8. Angie [04:51]
9. You Can't Always Get What You Want [10:08]
10. Midnight Rambler [10:46]
11. Honky Tonk Women [03:19]
12. All Down The Line [03:58]
13. Rip This Joint [02:05]
14. Jumping Jack Flash [03:17]
15. Street Fighting Man [04:45]
I've got this one too
1973 10 02 Hamburg 1st show Hamburg 1973 (1st Show) [No label] ptrousse @ Dime
But spectogram & frequency analysis are the same ...
Info text @ Dime:
The Rolling Stones - Hamburg 1973 - 1st Show
--------------------------------------------
First Show Live At Ernst-Merck-Halle, Hamburg, West-Germany on October 2nd, 1973
From Silver CD - No Label
Released: 2013. Origin: Japan
MATRIX: Hamburg 1973
Good to very Good Stereo Audience recording. Complete show.
Taken from lower generation tape. Edited & Remastered.
First and second edition sticker available
Silver CD > EAC > Flac
Infos & Artwork Available Here : [dbboots.com]
1. Introduction [00:36]
2. Brown Sugar [03:26]
3. Gimme Shelter [05:16]
4. Happy [03:09]
5. Tumbling Dice [04:29]
6. Star Star [04:17]
7. Dancing With Mr.D [04:37]
8. Angie [04:51]
9. You Can't Always Get What You Want [10:08]
10. Midnight Rambler [10:46]
11. Honky Tonk Women [03:19]
12. All Down The Line [03:58]
13. Rip This Joint [02:05]
14. Jumping Jack Flash [03:17]
15. Street Fighting Man [04:45]
Re: The Complete Hamburg Tapes 1973 [DAC-193]
Posted by:
Rank Stranger
()
Date: July 20, 2020 20:47
Quote
hj3009
Hi!
I've got this one too
1973 10 02 Hamburg 1st show Hamburg 1973 (1st Show) [No label] ptrousse @ Dime
But spectogram & frequency analysis are the same ...
As axl79 said:
"1st show.
Mono audience recording.
This is the same sound source as on No-label release " HAMBURG 1973 1ST SHOW"
Re: The Complete Hamburg Tapes 1973 [DAC-193]
Posted by:
stonesmuziekfan
()
Date: July 22, 2020 12:29
THX
Re: The Complete Hamburg Tapes 1973 [DAC-193]
Posted by:
stonesmuziekfan
()
Date: July 22, 2020 15:34
Maybe this will be of help comparing?
1973.10.02 and 10.10 The Stars In The Sky They Never Lie (Caution!) [www.filefactory.com]
1973.10.02+10_VGP - 246_Jean Clarke Memorial_Hamburg+Essen.rar [www.filefactory.com]
1973.10.02 1973.10.10 DAC 100 The Stars In The Sky They Never Lie, Hamburg Essen.rar [www.filefactory.com]
1973.10.02 2nd VGP Unnumbered Hamburg + 1973.10.10 Essen, The Stars In The Sky They Never Lie.rar [www.filefactory.com]
1973.10.02 1st and 2nd show Hamburg tapes 1973.part1.rar [www.filefactory.com]
1973.10.02 1st and 2nd show Hamburg tapes 1973.part2.rar [www.filefactory.com]
1973.10.02 2nd PGN 046 The German Affair 1973, Hamburg.rar [www.filefactory.com]
1973.10.02 HAMBURG [1st show] (tape transfer).rar [www.filefactory.com]
1973.10.02 TCDRS 49 Hamburger Concerto (Tarantura) [www.filefactory.com]
1973.10.02 1st Give me a Hamburger - Ernst Merck Halle, Hamburg.rar [www.filefactory.com]
1973.10 02 Hamburg 1st show (tape transfer) SILKCUT.rar [525MB] [www.filefactory.com]
1973.10.02 1st Hamburg 1973 Silkcut Speed Corrected.rar [264MB] Looking compressed [www.filefactory.com]
1973.10.02 and 10.10 The Stars In The Sky They Never Lie (Caution!) [www.filefactory.com]
1973.10.02+10_VGP - 246_Jean Clarke Memorial_Hamburg+Essen.rar [www.filefactory.com]
1973.10.02 1973.10.10 DAC 100 The Stars In The Sky They Never Lie, Hamburg Essen.rar [www.filefactory.com]
1973.10.02 2nd VGP Unnumbered Hamburg + 1973.10.10 Essen, The Stars In The Sky They Never Lie.rar [www.filefactory.com]
1973.10.02 1st and 2nd show Hamburg tapes 1973.part1.rar [www.filefactory.com]
1973.10.02 1st and 2nd show Hamburg tapes 1973.part2.rar [www.filefactory.com]
1973.10.02 2nd PGN 046 The German Affair 1973, Hamburg.rar [www.filefactory.com]
1973.10.02 HAMBURG [1st show] (tape transfer).rar [www.filefactory.com]
1973.10.02 TCDRS 49 Hamburger Concerto (Tarantura) [www.filefactory.com]
1973.10.02 1st Give me a Hamburger - Ernst Merck Halle, Hamburg.rar [www.filefactory.com]
1973.10 02 Hamburg 1st show (tape transfer) SILKCUT.rar [525MB] [www.filefactory.com]
1973.10.02 1st Hamburg 1973 Silkcut Speed Corrected.rar [264MB] Looking compressed [www.filefactory.com]
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