UNDERCOVER SESSIONS
Presentation, objectives and thanks:
An attempt to compile the UNDERCOVER sessions that are in circulation and to rework them

This project was initiated in April/May 2019. In this era parts of the Art Collins Tapes (aka ACT) appeared in circulation on The Outsider Birds Vault volumes and also on the DAC.
Playing with them at first I noticed they had often speed problems. First I began with the tracks that also appear in official albums, making synchronization mixes to find out the exact speed. Lots of the files from the Undercover sessions on the Art Collins Tapes needed to be decelerated usually from -3,863%, sometimes they were already decelerated in the publishing volumes….. but not always at the correct speed.
So I began with the OBR, then the DAC. Then I decided to make a compilation of all the circulated material from the Undercover sessions. Last I decided to put all the « circulated » versions in front of my reworked versions so you can make your own idea and delete what you don’t like…
Recently (March 2020) Mr D. decided to put the ACT in circulation. So I had to check all to see what is allowed now to be added on this compilation (in fact not so much except the « Too Much Blood » variations)
As you can imagine I spent a lot of time on this project!
I decided to post it in 7 parts, with for each volume the first CD containing only the untouched versions and the second my DIY. I left the many versions of "Too Much Blood" on the last two CDs without reworking them: they form the 8th volume : a total of 16cds!
For this compilation I did not keep the versions that were used for official releases (side b, dub version ...)
I used Nico Zentgraf's Rolling Stones Complete Works Database a lot:
[www.nzentgraf.de] of which I tried to respect the chronology and the order of the proposed versions. It was not always easy to spot the different versions, the result is not perfect and surely criticizable. I was able to make (I certainly do!) errors ... I thank you in advance for helping me to rectify them. Don’t forget all this is done for pleasure and passion....
I also used the Rolling Stones Bootleg Database: [www.dbboots.com]
I thank them warmly and also my partners in crime, Jaap and nzb, for their advice and revisions!
Posted by StonyRoad in 2020 on IORR: [iorr.org]


VOLUME 1 :
CD 1a (untouched versions) & CD 1b (reworked versions)

Part I°] mid-October - 7th November: Paris, France, unidentified 4- or 8-track basement
demo studio. MJ (voc, gtr, el p, dr, perc), KR (gtr, voc) and CW (dr; not from the very beginning of these song writing-sessions) prepare demos for the upcoming album Undercover.
01a - Can’t Find Love #1 (7’02) OBR (slow version) - guitar & el piano
01b - Can’t Find Love #1 (7’18) (slow version) – reworked
02a - Cooking Up - #1 (4’26) (aka « What I Am Sayin' Is True » ) (DAC181) longer rehearsal take
02b - Cooking Up - #1 (4’36) reworked
03a - Cooking Up - #2 (1’59) (aka « What I Am Sayin' Is True » ) (DAC181) shorter rehearsal take
03b - Cooking Up - #2 (2’02) reworked
04a - Gotta Know You #1 – part1 (7’46) Kr & MJ on drums
04b1 - Gotta Know You #1 – part1 (2’57) reworked not the FP 039 version !
04b2 - Gotta Know You #1 – part2 (5’01) reworked not the FP 039 version !
05a - High School Girl (6’04) (DAC 159)
05b - High School Girl reworked (duplicated)
06a - She Was Hot #1 I (5’48) (DAC 181) early slower version with different lyrics
06b - She Was Hot #1 (5’48) reworked (duplicated)
07a - Wanna Hold You #1 (3’19) (OBR)
07b - Wanna Hold You #1 (3’20) was decelerated by -2, 460% so here I decelerated more -1,4% to . get the same speed as the other tracks.
08a - Wanna Hold You #2 (3’56) (DAC181) shorter and MJ on backing vocals & probably on drums
08b - Wanna Hold You #2 (4’07) (reworked)

PartII°] 11th November - 19th December: Boulogne Billancourt (near Paris), France, Pathé-Marconi Studios. Producer: The Glimmer Twins & Chris Kimsey. Sound engineer: Chris Kimsey. Additional musicians: Jim Barber (gtr, bass), Chuck Leavell (keyb).
09a - All The Way Down #1 (3’48) (DAC 110) -early version
09b - All The Way Down #1 (3’48) (reworked)
10a - All The Way Down « runtrough » (6’08) (DAC 182)
10b - All The Way Down « runtrough » (5’59) (reworked)
11a - All The Way Down #2 (4’31) (ACT) -early version, more lyrics in the verses
11b - All The Way Down #2 (4’45) synchronised with official version after a deceleration of -5,1% !
12a - Brown Leaves #4 (2’50) (aka Dancing Girls) (ACT 06-07) instrumental, more instruments
12b - Brown Leaves #4 (2’50) - reworked
13a - Can’t Find Love #2 (1’05) (DAC 159) - dr, bass, gtr & voc
13b - Can’t Find Love #2 (1’05) reworked (duplicated)
14a - Can’t Find Love #3a (9’32) (DAC 182) - KR on bvoc, two guitars, piano, dr (in two parts)
14b1 - Can’t Find Love #3a (3’17) I separated the two parts reworked (duplicated)
14b2 - Can’t Find Love #3b (6’14) reworked (duplicated)
15b - Can’t Find Love #4 (0’43) (DAC 159) with bridge idea full band-version (incl. bass)
15b - Can’t Find Love #4 (0’43) reworked (duplicated)





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Norbert
email: stonyroad58@gmail.com



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2020-04-15 22:01 by StonyRoad.

Thanks very much!!!

Thank you

Great ideas and detailed information here!
Thanks a lot for this giant and excellent project Norbert!
Very much appreciated!

Thank you

Thanks a lot Norbert!

Many Thanks

Amazing! Thank you!

Thanks!

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020-04-14 22:13 by rskinno.

What are you doing?
most of the songs are double
or fragments
I have most Song of the original onesavailable

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rskinno
What are you doing?
most of the songs are double
or fragments
I have most Song of the original ones available

I guess you did not read the very first word after "Volume 1"

untouched

Just wait untill you see the end of this story before starting a fire.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020-04-14 22:49 by stonesmuziekfan.

Hi Norbert,
what a tremendous effort. Working on both, identification of the real take number of each of the numerous songs available from these sessions from several sources and with different sound qualities in th past 12 months (even with the help of Nico´s database), as well as finding out/correcting the correct speed of each individual songs - hats off !
i am very interested in this particular period for some reasons and after the kind upload of the Collins Tapes by Mr.D i am workin myself on those a bit. But not as professional as you, im am not a musisican.
One question though: is it possible that you have mixed up what you call "brown leaves / dancing girls instr" with a song i have listed as "Golden caddy 3" ?
Anyway, really appreciate your work and lookiong forward to part 2 of your project.

Just for interest´s sake here is my humble editing work of "all the way down 2"

[wetransfer.com]

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Dorn
Hi Norbert,
what a tremendous effort. Working on both, identification of the real take number of each of the numerous songs available from these sessions from several sources and with different sound qualities in th past 12 months (even with the help of Nico´s database), as well as finding out/correcting the correct speed of each individual songs - hats off !
i am very interested in this particular period for some reasons and after the kind upload of the Collins Tapes by Mr.D i am workin myself on those a bit. But not as professional as you, im am not a musisican.
One question though: is it possible that you have mixed up what you call "brown leaves / dancing girls instr" with a song i have listed as "Golden caddy 3" ?
Anyway, really appreciate your work and lookiong forward to part 2 of your project.

Just for interest´s sake here is my humble editing work of "all the way down 2"

[wetransfer.com]

Very nice from you, but for sure I'm not a professional, as you I'm only a passionate guy that take big pleasure to listen to this music.
Your cleaning of "All the Way Down" is very good! congratulations!
About "Brown Leaves" you're right. It's the same as "Golden Caddy 3" I kept this name because it's the one used on VGP 052
cheers
Norbert

THANKS!

Thanks.

Fantastic work as usual. Looking forward to this series. Thanks.

Thanks a lot!
CrazyMama

Thanks Norbert
Great Project ¡¡¡¡¡

Dorn was right for "Brown Leaves" # 4. The version of VGP 052 was “Golden Caddy” # 3. On the other hand, it appears on ACT ... So I redid volume 1 by integrating the ACT version.
For the reworked version I did not change the speed because it is in agreement with the previous version present on "Paris Result"
Sorry: to be forgiven I will post volume 2 today
all corrected in the first post



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020-04-15 11:07 by StonyRoad.

Thank you for the FP's

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StonyRoad

Very nice from you, but for sure I'm not a professional, as you I'm only a passionate guy that take big pleasure to listen to this music.
Your cleaning of "All the Way Down" is very good! congratulations!
About "Brown Leaves" you're right. It's the same as "Golden Caddy 3" I kept this name because it's the one used on VGP 052
cheers
Norbert

Glad that i could be a bit of help in this great project. that´s what we are here for: to help each other

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Dorn

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StonyRoad

Very nice from you, but for sure I'm not a professional, as you I'm only a passionate guy that take big pleasure to listen to this music.
Your cleaning of "All the Way Down" is very good! congratulations!
About "Brown Leaves" you're right. It's the same as "Golden Caddy 3" I kept this name because it's the one used on VGP 052
cheers
Norbert

Glad that i could be a bit of help in this great project. that´s what we are here for: to help each other

Thank You so much

Hi

Thanks for your project, very helpful since the flood of bootlegs and other various upload we all had, it will be easier to search, that's my 2cts.

Une seule petite remarque à propos de tes artwork, c'est du bon boulot, il y a juste une petite faute à corriger sur le recto, c'est PM Studios.

HMN

Also available in Stonesvault
[filefactory.com]

Tremendo Trabajo!! Espectacular!
Muchas Gracias por lo que haces!!
se aprecia mucho!!

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Honestman
Hi

Thanks for your project, very helpful since the flood of bootlegs and other various upload we all had, it will be easier to search, that's my 2cts.

Une seule petite remarque à propos de tes artwork, c'est du bon boulot, il y a juste une petite faute à corriger sur le recto, c'est PM Studios.

argh c'est vrai bien vu! et comme j'ai fais les pochettes à la chaîne j'ai fais l'erreur jusqu'au volume 5...pour celles là trop tard mais les autres sont rectifiées: merci



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Thanks again for all your efforts in this great series Norbert!!
Also thanks to Dorn and HMN!