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Re: Post: Art Collins Tapes
Posted by: 20YearsAgo ()
Date: June 14, 2020 01:45

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Many thanks!

Re: Post: Art Collins Tapes
Posted by: blakeeik ()
Date: July 11, 2020 15:36

Someone may have post something like this before, but if so I missed it, and sorry. Felix Aeppli's site The Ultimate Guide has a track by track break down of these songs. I used it to to identify the "re-releases" with an example of where they came from. If marked as "Art Collins" then it was not previously released.

I did a quick check and it seems like they are correct, but if you find corrections, please post them. Also, there are a few re-released tracks that are more complete and sound better on the Art Collins tapes. I did not mark those and will take a lot more listening. Some of the "new releases" may also be only slightly different edits/EQ, so please point those out if you find them.

Thanks Felix!


401. Wanna Hold You (7:04) >>> Chain Saw Massacre [DAC 110]
402. Pretty Beat Up (6:15) >>> Chain Saw Massacre [DAC 110]
403. Feel on Baby (2:01) >>> Bird's Vault RI 61/16 (Vol. 1) [OBR 93037]
404. The Dog (4:48) >>> Bird's Vault Vol 3 Plus Extra Tracks [GP 1901]
405. Keep It Cool (9:52) >>> Art Collins Tapes
501. Hang Fire (2:24) >>> All Inside Our Crazy Dreams [DAC 021]
502. Black Limousine (4:08) >>> All Inside Our Crazy Dreams [DAC 021]
503. No Use in Crying (4:30) >>> All Inside Our Crazy Dreams [DAC 021]
504. Neighbours (3:45) >>> Place Pigalle [VGP 362]
505. Slave (8:41) >>> The Pain of Love [DAC 107]
506. Waiting on a Friend (5:08) >>> Bird's Vault Vol 3 Plus Extra Tracks [GP 1901] CORRECTION
507. Unknown Song (4:36) >>> Art Collins Tapes
508. Unknown Song (8:13) >>> Art Collins Tapes
509. Unknown Song (8:26) >>> Art Collins Tapes
601. Too Tough (4:27) >>> Bird's Vault RI 61/16 (Vol. 3) [OBR 93039]
602. It Must Be Hell (5:16) >>> Bird's Vault RI 61/16 (Vol. 3) [OBR 93039]
603. Undercover of the Night (4:15) >>> Too Much Blood [DAC 182]
604. Tie You up (The Pain of Love) (4:28) >>> Too Much Blood [DAC 182] CORRECTION
605. She Was Hot (4:47) >>> Art Collins Tapes
606. Feel on Baby (10:06) >>> Too Much Blood [DAC 182]
607. All the Way Down (4:31) >>> Art Collins Tapes
608. Too Much Blood (8:47) >>> Art Collins Tapes
609. Tried to Talk Her Into It (3:42) >>> Can't Find Love [DAC 159]
610. Too Much Blood (10:19) >>> Art Collins Tapes
611. Pretty Beat Up (5:17) >>> Art Collins Tapes
612. Dog Shit (7:41) >>> Bird's Vault Vol 3 Plus Extra Tracks [GP 1901]
1202. Keep It Cool (21:03) >>> Can't Find Love [DAC 159]
1203. Gotta Know You (7:47) >>> Bird's Vault Vol 3 Plus Extra Tracks [GP 1901]
1204. Wanna Hold You (3:37) >>> Bird's Vault RI 61/16 (Vol. 2) [OBR 93038]
1207. All the Way Down (6:08) >>> Too Much Blood [DAC 182]
1208. Gotta Know You (6:08) >>> Art Collins Tapes
1501. Can't Find Love (7:08) >>> Too Much Blood [DAC 182]
1502. Heartbeat (3:15) >>> Too Much Blood [DAC 182]
1503. Heartbeat (1:53) >>> Bird's Vault Vol 3 Plus Extra Tracks [GP 1901]
1504. Heartbeat (1:16) >>> Bird's Vault Vol 3 Plus Extra Tracks [GP 1901]
1505. Cooking Up (6:47) >>> Bird's Vault RI 61/16 (Vol. 3) [OBR 93039]
1506. Something I Want (8:27) >>> Bird's Vault RI 61/16 (Vol. 1) [OBR 93037]
1507. Eliza Upchink (4:08) >>> Too Much Blood [DAC 182]
1508. Chris' Song (2:57) >>> Bird's Vault RI 61/16 (Vol. 3) [OBR 93039]
1509. Part of the Night (4:09) >>> Bird's Vault Vol 3 Plus Extra Tracks [GP 1901]
1601. Pink Pick (2:55) >>> Bird's Vault RI 61/16 (Vol. 3) [OBR 93039]
1602. Pull Over (5:07) >>> Bird's Vault Vol 3 Plus Extra Tracks [GP 1901]
1603. The Golden Mile (8:50) >>> Too Much Blood [DAC 182]
1605. Tie You up (The Pain of Love) (10:06) >>> Bird's Vault RI 61/16 (Vol. 1) [OBR 93037]
1606. Tie You up (The Pain of Love) (4:51) >>> Bird's Vault RI 61/16 (Vol. 2) [OBR 93038]
1607. Melobar (6:34) >>> Bird's Vault RI 61/16 (Vol. 3) [OBR 93039]
1701. Just My Imagination (Running Away With Me) (6:21) >>> Art Collins Tapes
1702. Miss You (1:54) >>> Bird's Vault RI 61/16 (Vol. 2) [OBR 93038]
1703. Lies (4:43) >>> Art Collins Tapes
1704. Munich Hilton (3:59) >>> Art Collins Tapes
1705. Munich Hilton (4:02) >>> Art Collins Tapes
1706. When You're Gone (2:20) >>> Bird's Vault RI 61/16 (Vol. 2) [OBR 93038]
1707. Hang Fire (3:21) >>> Art Collins Tapes
1708. Shattered (2:22) >>> Art Collins Tapes
1709. Stay Where You Are (1:38) >>> Sheep-Dip-Blues (Paris Results Vol. 3) [DAC 104]
1710. Lies (3:40) >>> Art Collins Tapes
1711. Brown Leaves (2:48) >>> Sheep-Dip-Blues (Paris Results Vol. 3) [DAC 104]
1712. You Don't Have to Go (4:38) >>> Paris Results [DAC 103]
1713. Unknown Song (4:22) >>> Art Collins Tapes
1714. Shame Shame Shame (4:01) >>> Paris Results [DAC 103]
1715. Black Limousine (3:22) >>> Sheep-Dip-Blues (Paris Results Vol. 3) [DAC 104]
1716. Little T & A (2:04) >>> Bird's Vault RI 61/16 (Vol. 2) [OBR 93038]
1801. In Your Hand (4:41) >>> Too Much Blood [DAC 182]
1802. Improvised jam (5:22) >>> Chain Saw Massacre [DAC 110]
1803. I Love You Too Much (3:32) >>> All Mixed Up [DAC 111]
1804. Still in Love (2:15) >>> Chain Saw Massacre [DAC 110]
1805. Munich Hilton (5:59) >>> Art Collins Tapes
1806. Christine (2:23) >>> The Virchov Tape [DAC 181]
1807. Identification (6:41) >>> The Virchov Tape [DAC 181]
1808. Forty (4:28) >>> The Virchov Tape [DAC 181]
1809. I'm a Little Mixed Up (8:10) >>> Bird's Vault RI 61/16 (Vol. 3) [OBR 93039]
1901. A Different Kind (6:07) >>> The Paris Rehearsals [DAC 114]
1902. Claudine (3:35) >>> Lonely at the Top [DAC 096]
1903. Get Yourself Together (2:46) >>> Time Trip 1966-1974 [DAC 063]
1904. We Had It All (2:55) >>> Can't Find Love [DAC 159]
1905. Let's Go Steady (2:47) >>> New Barbarians - Barb Wire Tour Vol. 2 [EVSD 203-206]
1906. So Devine (Aladdin Story) (5:30) >>> Trident Demos [DAC 123]
1907. Dance (6:03) >>> Art Collins Tapes
1908. I Think I'm Going Mad (5:37) >>> Art Collins Tapes
1909. She Was Hot (6:57) >>> Too Much Blood [DAC 182]
1910. Too Much Blood (4:01) >>> Art Collins Tapes
1911. Undercover of the Night (4:29) >>> Art Collins Tapes possibly not new
1912. Undercover of the Night (6:16) >>> Art Collins Tapes possibly not new
2001. Slave (9:47) >>> Art Collins Tapes
2002. Black Limousine (3:41) >>> All Inside Our Crazy Dreams [DAC 021]
2003. Waiting on a Friend (4:52) >>> Art Collins Tapes
2004. Waiting on a Friend (4:47) >>> All Inside Our Crazy Dreams [DAC 021]
2005. Start Me Up (3:48) >>> Art Collins Tapes possibly not new
2006. Start Me Up (3:48) >>> All Inside Our Crazy Dreams [DAC 021]
2007. Neighbours (3:34) >>> All Inside Our Crazy Dreams [DAC 021]
2008. Heaven (5:28) >>> All Inside Our Crazy Dreams [DAC 021]
2009. Hang Fire (2:23) >>> All Inside Our Crazy Dreams [DAC 021]
2010. Tops (4:12) >>> All Inside Our Crazy Dreams [DAC 021]
2011. Slave (4:44) >>> Art Collins Tapes
2012. Slave (4:34) >>> Art Collins Tapes
2101. Slave (9:43) >>> All Inside Our Crazy Dreams [DAC 021]
2102. Waiting on a Friend (4:21) >>> Art Collins Tapes possibly not new
2103. Black Limousine (3:20) >>> Art Collins Tapes possibly not new
2104. Neighbours (3:16) >>> Art Collins Tapes possibly not new
2105. Claudine (3:04) >>> Static in the Attic [IMP-N 004]
2106. I Think I'm Going Mad (5:48) >>> Accidents Will Happen [VGP 370]
2107. Worried About You (7:26) >>> All Inside Our Crazy Dreams [DAC 021]
2108. Heaven (4:58) >>> Art Collins Tapes possibly not new
2110. Tops (3:49) >>> Art Collins Tapes possibly not new
2111. No Use in Crying (3:39) >>> All Inside Our Crazy Dreams [DAC 021]
2112. Start Me Up (3:27) >>> Art Collins Tapes possibly not new
2201. Too Much Blood (1:19) >>> Art Collins Tapes
2202. Too Much Blood (10:21) >>> Art Collins Tapes
2203. Too Much Blood (4:26) >>> Art Collins Tapes
2204. Too Much Blood (9:45) >>> Art Collins Tapes
2205. Too Much Blood (1:14) >>> Art Collins Tapes
2206. Too Much Blood (5:40) >>> Art Collins Tapes
2207. Too Much Blood (6:21) >>> Art Collins Tapes
2301. Too Much Blood (8:45) >>> Art Collins Tapes
2302. Too Much Blood (6:00) >>> Art Collins Tapes
2303. Too Much Blood (7:19) >>> Art Collins Tapes
2304. Too Much Blood (7:40) >>> Art Collins Tapes
2305. Too Much Blood (10:34) >>> Art Collins Tapes
2306. Too Much Blood (7:51) >>> Art Collins Tapes
2307. Too Much Blood (10:28) >>> Art Collins Tapes
2308. Too Much Blood (10:42) >>> Art Collins Tapes



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Re: Post: Art Collins Tapes
Posted by: okenny ()
Date: July 11, 2020 16:21

Thank you

Re: Post: Art Collins Tapes
Posted by: wiredallnight ()
Date: July 11, 2020 16:32

Excellent work. The tracks from the Mr. D Christmas gift can also be found on CD meanwhile: Bird's Vault Vol.3 Plus Extra Tracks (Goldplate GP-1901CD1/2).

Re: Post: Art Collins Tapes
Posted by: Dorn ()
Date: July 11, 2020 17:02

.
terrific, great effort by Felix and you. Thanks a lot. When those tapes were made available i, like assumingly many other members, wondered what is new material and what isnĀ“t. I tried to figure out on some selected songs but comparing the individual takes, coming from different sources and probably differently mixed, was close to impossible. especially if one does not really own all the relevant boots for comparison. and because of lack of time.

so this here is very helpful. one thing though: it would have been perfect if the actual take/version number of the "new" materila had been mentioned (like f.e.
405. Keep It Cool (9:52) >>> Art Collins Tapes
is that take 1, 2 or 3 ?

Re: Post: Art Collins Tapes
Posted by: blakeeik ()
Date: July 11, 2020 17:13

Quote
wiredallnight
The tracks from the Mr. D Christmas gift can also be found on CD meanwhile: Bird's Vault Vol.3 Plus Extra Tracks (Goldplate GP-1901CD1/2).

good point!

Re: Post: Art Collins Tapes
Posted by: blakeeik ()
Date: July 11, 2020 17:20

Quote
Dorn
it would have been perfect if the actual take/version number of the "new" material had been mentioned (like f.e. 405. Keep It Cool (9:52) >>> Art Collins Tapes
is that take 1, 2 or 3 ?

Yeah, that would be nice. The problem is there is not always a consensus what version #1 is compared to #2, #3, etc. Also, when new outtakes are found, sometimes they get renumbered. That is why I always try to cite a universally known bootleg release to confirm a version.

Many people cite Nico's the Complete Works, which is excellent, but sometimes there is now way to tell which version he is referring to. Felix has excellent notes on the versions, but even then, it can be challenging.

In this case, you should not have much trouble using the cd/track number I used - it was taken from the Art Collins version and you can trace it to a "version" there. Example CD 4 TRACK 05: Keep It Cool. The Art Collins download calls it "#1".



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2020-07-11 17:22 by blakeeik.

Re: Post: Art Collins Tapes
Posted by: gastonl74 ()
Date: July 11, 2020 18:05

Excellent work!
I was doing something similar, because I was struck by the number of topics and the little information about which session each one belonged to, and if it is repeated in some other bootleg.
Thank you very much for your work!!

confused smileyRe: Post: Art Collins Tapes
Posted by: Mander2311 ()
Date: July 31, 2020 19:13

Hi

is there a chance for another re-upload?confused smiley

ThX in advance and stay safe.

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