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request : Detroit 1969 - informations about 2LP very 1st release
Posted by: LiveAtHidepark ()
Date: February 10, 2020 19:36

Is there here a member who physically (in his own hands) own the very first original 2LP-set "WE DIDN'T REALLY GET IT ON UNTIL DETROIT" with the purple labels "THE STONES DETROIT" ?

I don't own this 2LP-set. I'd like to know what are exactly the matrix numbers.

DBboots says : S1 / S2 / S4.1 /S4.2

I have :

- "LIVE FROM DETROIT" (Bash Records - red labels with black letters) : S-1 X / S-2 X / X S-3 / S-4 X - audience noises are stereo

- "R.S" (black) + "R.S." (blue) : S-1./ S2. / S4.A / S4-B - european releases - reduced stereo audience noises to almost mono

- "In Concert" : S-1./ S2. / S4.A / S4-B - a repackage of above

- "LIVE AT THE ROUNDHOUSE 1971" : S-1./ S2. / S4.A / S4-B - another repackage


If someone can help, thanks.

Re: request : Detroit 1969 - informations about 2LP very 1st release
Posted by: deardoctortake1 ()
Date: February 10, 2020 20:04

My “We Never Really Got It On Until Detroit” is a single LP , 10 tracks, on the white contraband label.

I have not seen a 2 LP version

Live In Detroit 2lp on Bash red label is a much better sound .

Re: request : Detroit 1969 - informations about 2LP very 1st release
Posted by: LiveAtHidepark ()
Date: February 10, 2020 20:24

Quote
deardoctortake1
My “We Never Really Got It On Until Detroit” is a single LP , 10 tracks, on the white contraband label.

I have not seen a 2 LP version

Live In Detroit 2lp on Bash red label is a much better sound .


Thanks for the answer.

As you say : My “We Never Really Got It On Until Detroit” is a single LP , 10 tracks, on the white contraband label.

It is an incomplete copy of "Didn't".

Anyway, many thanks, man.

Re: request : Detroit 1969 - informations about 2LP very 1st release
Posted by: deardoctortake1 ()
Date: February 10, 2020 23:28

Turns out I do have this double LP “didn’t” version on CD, but no info on matrix numbers from the LP transfer

Re: request : Detroit 1969 - informations about 2LP very 1st release
Posted by: dph ()
Date: February 11, 2020 04:01

Wish I could help but I sold mine years ago. It is the definitive version, and very hard to get, especially in good condition.
we didn't really get it on until detroit

Re: request : Detroit 1969 - informations about 2LP very 1st release
Posted by: riffcliche69 ()
Date: February 12, 2020 14:40

There are no matrix numbers. Only Side-1 Side-4 on the first disc and Side-2 Side-3 on the second disc. Note that the S is capitalized and the dash is very faint.

Re: request : Detroit 1969 - informations about 2LP very 1st release
Posted by: LiveAtHidepark ()
Date: February 12, 2020 19:28

Quote
riffcliche69
There are no matrix numbers. Only Side-1 Side-4 on the first disc and Side-2 Side-3 on the second disc. Note that the S is capitalized and the dash is very faint.

Thanks for taking time to answer.

So the are no matrix numbers engraved, DBboots have incorrect information.

Would you consider to sell your own 2LP-set ?eye rolling smiley

Re: request : Detroit 1969 - informations about 2LP very 1st release
Posted by: HEILOOBAAS ()
Date: February 13, 2020 01:14

Quote
riffcliche69
There are no matrix numbers. Only Side-1 Side-4 on the first disc and Side-2 Side-3 on the second disc. Note that the S is capitalized and the dash is very faint.

Would you consider uploading your double lp set and posting a link here? It means uploading the vinyl to a sound file blah blah.

If you have any questions about how to do it (if you want to at all) email me at the address I have here. I had a cassette of the double lp set years ago that, even though it wasn't HD quality, was a lot warmer sounding than any CD release I've heard.

Re: request : Detroit 1969 - informations about 2LP very 1st release
Posted by: dcba ()
Date: February 13, 2020 09:45

Quote
HEILOOBAAS
Quote
riffcliche69
There are no matrix numbers. Only Side-1 Side-4 on the first disc and Side-2 Side-3 on the second disc. Note that the S is capitalized and the dash is very faint.

Would you consider uploading your double lp set and posting a link here?

Well somebody at Dime did last september :

OLYMPIA STADIUM
DETROIT, MICHIGAN
NOVEMBER 24TH, 1969

01-JUMPING JACK FLASH
02-CAROL
03-SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL
04-STRAY CAT BLUES
05-LOVE IN VAIN
06-PRODIGAL SON
07-YOU GOT TO MOVE
08-UNDER MY THUMB
09-MIDNIGHT RAMBLER
10-LIVE WITH ME
11-LITTLE QUEENIE
12-(I CAN'T GET NO) SATISFACTION
13-HONKY TONK WOMEN
14-STREET FIGHTING MAN

Excellent audience recording (stereo?) from the BEST of the original vinyl sources, which is the "We Didn't Really Get It On Until Detroit-M. Jagger" double LP with the purple label reading "The Stones Detroit".

I was fortunate enough to find a very clean original copy of this LP which is quite rare and seems to be the first release of this recording. My suspicion is that it was done locally (in Detroit) which is where I found this copy.

[www.dimeadozen.org]

Re: request : Detroit 1969 - informations about 2LP very 1st release
Posted by: HEILOOBAAS ()
Date: February 13, 2020 15:51

dcba please email me toot shweet as they say in France. TY


"The Rolling Stones wanted to destroy hotel rooms.
Roxy Music wanted to redecorate them."

Re: request : Detroit 1969 - informations about 2LP very 1st release
Posted by: LiveAtHidepark ()
Date: February 13, 2020 17:14

Quote
dcba
Quote
HEILOOBAAS
Quote
riffcliche69
There are no matrix numbers. Only Side-1 Side-4 on the first disc and Side-2 Side-3 on the second disc. Note that the S is capitalized and the dash is very faint.

Would you consider uploading your double lp set and posting a link here?

Well somebody at Dime did last september :

OLYMPIA STADIUM
DETROIT, MICHIGAN
NOVEMBER 24TH, 1969

01-JUMPING JACK FLASH
02-CAROL
03-SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL
04-STRAY CAT BLUES
05-LOVE IN VAIN
06-PRODIGAL SON
07-YOU GOT TO MOVE
08-UNDER MY THUMB
09-MIDNIGHT RAMBLER
10-LIVE WITH ME
11-LITTLE QUEENIE
12-(I CAN'T GET NO) SATISFACTION
13-HONKY TONK WOMEN
14-STREET FIGHTING MAN

Excellent audience recording (stereo?) from the BEST of the original vinyl sources, which is the "We Didn't Really Get It On Until Detroit-M. Jagger" double LP with the purple label reading "The Stones Detroit".

I was fortunate enough to find a very clean original copy of this LP which is quite rare and seems to be the first release of this recording. My suspicion is that it was done locally (in Detroit) which is where I found this copy.

[www.dimeadozen.org]


And this vinyl rip have been released last nov/dec by two different lables in Japan.


Re: request : Detroit 1969 - informations about 2LP very 1st release
Posted by: GivenToFly15 ()
Date: February 13, 2020 21:57

For those interested, here's a WeTransfer from the Dime upload.

[we.tl]

Re: request : Detroit 1969 - informations about 2LP very 1st release
Posted by: HEILOOBAAS ()
Date: February 14, 2020 03:58

Thank you so much. I had to go down f u kk er ee lane to try and donate to dime and it was fruitless. I really appreciate you uploading this!


"The Rolling Stones wanted to destroy hotel rooms.
Roxy Music wanted to redecorate them."

Re: request : Detroit 1969 - informations about 2LP very 1st release
Posted by: mtripoli ()
Date: February 14, 2020 06:44

Could someone upload the coverart? Thank you for sharing.

Re: request : Detroit 1969 - informations about 2LP very 1st release
Posted by: Broesel2404 ()
Date: February 14, 2020 11:57

GivenToFly15 : Thank you for the WeTrans
dcba : Thank you for share this
smileys with beer

Re: request : Detroit 1969 - informations about 2LP very 1st release
Posted by: stonesmuziekfan ()
Date: February 14, 2020 12:05

Quote
GivenToFly15
For those interested, here's a WeTransfer from the Dime upload.

[we.tl]

I downloaded the same file from Dime and uploaded it into Stonesvault

1969.11.24 Olympia Stadium, Detroit, MI 11-24-69.zip [www.filefactory.com]

[info]
THE ROLLING STONES

OLYMPIA STADIUM
DETROIT, MICHIGAN
NOVEMBER 24TH, 1969

01-JUMPING JACK FLASH
02-CAROL
03-SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL
04-STRAY CAT BLUES
05-LOVE IN VAIN
06-PRODIGAL SON
07-YOU GOT TO MOVE
08-UNDER MY THUMB
09-MIDNIGHT RAMBLER
10-LIVE WITH ME
11-LITTLE QUEENIE
12-(I CAN'T GET NO) SATISFACTION
13-HONKY TONK WOMEN
14-STREET FIGHTING MAN

EXCELLENT AUDIENCE RECORDING FROM BEST SOUNDING VINYL SOURCE "WE DIDN'T REALLY GET IT ON UNTIL DETROIT", PURPLE LABEL
TWO LP.

NO EQ, JUST OCCASIONAL REMOVAL OF VINYL SURFACE NOISE, NORMALIZED TO 0db, SOME TRANSITIONS FOR LP SIDE CHANGES OVERLAPPED
AND SMOOTHED OUT SO THEY ARE LESS JUMPY.

SHARED TO DAD BY KIPCO 9/6/2019
[/info]

Re: request : Detroit 1969 - informations about 2LP very 1st release
Posted by: stonesmuziekfan ()
Date: February 14, 2020 12:23

Also this vinyl rip in Stonesvault

1969.11.24 Live From Detroit (declicked) vinyl rip [Bash Records vinyl bootleg - US pressing] [www.filefactory.com]

[info]
THE ROLLING STONES - LIVE FROM DETROIT
("Bash Records" vinyl bootleg - US pressing)

LINEAGE:
Rega P3 with Ortofon - Tascam CD-Recorder RW 402 - CDrw - CDr -> raw version sent to Silkcut1978 -> Cool Edit for normalizing, fades and track-splitting, soundforge for de-clicking , TLH for the SBE's, foobar with flac add-on

DATE/VENUE:
Olympia Stadium, Detroit, Michigan
November 24th 1969

QUALITY:
Good - Very Good Audience recording

PERFORMANCE:
Excellent plus
As Mick Jagger once said (when talking about the 1969 US Tour...."we never really got it on, 'till Detroit")

COMMENTS:
This excellent vinyl-rip was kindly shared by Rank Stranger, on IORR, on Oct. 22nd 2011
Silkcut1978 uploaded his vinyl rip to IORR.
Many thanks to them. I am putting their work up via torrent, for you others to enjoy.
It's the best source for this Detroit 1969 concert.

COMMENTS #2:
Interviewer: What has been your most memorable or inspirational gig and why?
Iggy Pop: Rolling Stones, 1969, Olympia Arena, Detroit, Michigan. Because of the brazen audacity with which the beat was unhurried and the guitar sound was entirely unsweetened. It was like a heroin pie in your face.
(from the magazine "Exclaim")

COMMENTS #3:
This torrent features the "declicked" version of the vinyl rip.

ARTWORK:
I have made selfmade artworks - using photos from the actual concert in Detroit 1969.
They came out allright.


TRACKLIST

01. Jumpin' Jack Flash
02. Carol
03. Sympathy For The Devil
04. Stray Cat Blues
05. Love in Vain
06. Prodigal Son
07. You Gotta Move
08. Under My Thumb
09. Midnight Rambler
10. Live With Me
11. Little Queenie
12. Satisfaction
13. Honky Tonk Women
14. Street Fighting Man


Uploaded by Erik_snow in Oct. 2011


[/info]

Re: request : Detroit 1969 - informations about 2LP very 1st release
Posted by: stonesmuziekfan ()
Date: February 14, 2020 12:36

Also available in Stonesvault

1969.11.24 Detroit Matrix stereo [www.filefactory.com]

[info]
This is a recording of the Rolling Stones in Detroit, Nov. 24, 1969, toward the end of their US Tour that month. This particular version is a two source merge. Most of the songs are from a relatively common bootleg on the Minotauro label which has also been torrented here [www.bootcity.org] and other places as well. This CD is copied from an extremely rare 2LP vinyl set called "We Didn't Really Get It on Until Detroit." The title, supposedly a quote from M. Jagger, was printed in black on the otherwise plain white sleeve. This LP was released early in the days of rock music bootlegs, 1970, and was even reviewed in Rolling Stone magazine. It was quickly copied and put out by other labels, but the recording is only VG and was never reissued much after the early 1970s until this CD came out. Note that only the original LP and this CD are (barely) stereo audience recordings. All other vinyl LPs are copies of this one, in mono.

However, this torrent is sourced from a CDR made by a friend of mine. He started with the Minotauro CD (not from a torrent) and combined it with the songs available from the soundboard for this show. They actually come from some type of local TV shows; I saw a glitchy video 15 years ago but don't have it myself. For years these 3 songs were available on a German LP called "Mick Taylor We Thank You" but I believe these versions are from tape or some other CD. They are VG+ mono.

I created some generic art in MS Word in the spirit of the original no-name 2LP set. The Minotauro art does not index the introduction separately the way my friend did.

Rolling Stones
24th November: Detroit, Michigan, Olympia Stadium
1. intro
2. Jumping Jack Flash
3. Carol
4. Sympathy For The Devil (soundboard)
5. Stray Cat Blues (soundboard)
6. Love In Vain
7. Prodigal Son intro
8. Prodigal Son
9. You Gotta Move
10. Under My Thumb
11. Midnight Rambler
12. Live With Me
13. Little Queenie (soundboard)
14. Satisfaction
15. Honky Tonk Women
16. Street Fighting Man
[/info]

The original Minotauro label is also in Stonesvault

1969.11.24 Live From Detroit [CA 1111 Minotauro].rar [www.filefactory.com]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020-02-14 16:27 by stonesmuziekfan.

Re: request : Detroit 1969 - informations about 2LP very 1st release
Posted by: stonesmuziekfan ()
Date: February 14, 2020 12:42

Finally I uploaded this version

1969.11.24 Live Detroit. Olympia Stadium, Detroit, Michigan.rar [www.filefactory.com]


[info]
The Rolling Stones
LIVE DETROIT
Olympia Stadium, Detroit, Michigan
November 24th 1969
Lossless>FLAC
Quality: VG Stereo AUD/SBD

Tracks sourced from three bootlegs and presented in their best available quality.

contrast clause:
The same show can be found at:
[www.dimeadozen.org] (Bash Records)
[www.dimeadozen.org] (Label Minotauro)
This one is from three different bootleg sources, as mentionned below.


Tracklist:

01. Jumping Jack Flash [04:12]*
02. Carol [03:52]*
03. Sympathy For The Devil [07:48] SBD***
04. Stray Cat Blues [04:03] SBD***
05. Love In Vain [05:22]*
06. Prodigal Son [03:39]*
07. You Gotta Move [02:26]*
08. Under My Thumb [03:24]*
09. Midnight Rambler [10:23]**
10. Live With Me [03:17]**
11. Little Queenie [04:10] SBD***
12. (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction [06:28]**
13. Honky Tonk Women [04:08]**
14. Street Fighting Man [03:49]**

Tracks sources: (bootlegs)
* RS Live in Detroit black letters (vinyl) Label: Blank, Matrix/Stamper: S1 / S2, Format 12" LP ** Live in Detroit (vinyl) (no Label)
*** 1969 Soundboard Collection CD

Sound quality may vary but for most of tracks sound is Very Good Stereo Audience & SBD recording. Complete show.

Artworks is included (I used the art of Marko which I find good).

Compiled & uploaded by boutsko in 2012.

[/info]

Re: request : Detroit 1969 - informations about 2LP very 1st release
Posted by: dcba ()
Date: February 14, 2020 14:39

Quote
GivenToFly15
For those interested, here's a WeTransfer from the Dime upload.

[we.tl]

To give full info : this vinyl rip sounds notably better than any VGP/DAC release but on some tracks (near the end of the show) speed/pitch is not as accurate as on the VGP/DAC CDs.

Re: request : Detroit 1969 - informations about 2LP very 1st release
Posted by: Quique-stone ()
Date: February 15, 2020 15:52

Thanks GivenToFly15 and Jaap!

Re: request : Detroit 1969 - informations about 2LP very 1st release
Posted by: ahgriorr ()
Date: February 16, 2020 01:49

Thanks

Re: request : Detroit 1969 - informations about 2LP very 1st release
Posted by: makim ()
Date: March 17, 2020 02:06

My copy has

Side 1 / Side-4
Side-2 / Side-3

It was released in April 1970 or shortly before. Rolling Stone reviewed it in the issue of April 30, 1970.

I think the S-1./ S2. / S4.A / S4-B is a UK pressing, it usually comes in the black R.S. and blue R.S. sleeve.

Dbboots lists a copy of Stoned Again with that matrix but I am sure that is a mix up, the actual matrix is ST 1 A / B. This one is a Swedish pressing of Stoned Again from appr. mid 1971 or earlier.

However, there is a widely unknown Swedish release of the Detroit 69 show, housed in a plain laminated fold-out cover. Matrix is ST 2 A / B / C / D.



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