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JordyLicks96
That's what I'm saying. Unless somebody is 100% sure they know who that is playing the piano, I'm not convinced this is 1969.
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JordyLicks96
Stray Cat Blues is clearly an early instrumental from March 1968. Keith is playing the same guitar that's on the finished track.
No he isn't. He is playing in standard tuning similar to how he played it at Hyde Park.
On Beggars he played the main guitar tuned to open D.
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JordyLicks96
It's not from 1969 though. It's from the BEGGARS BANQUET SESSIONS in '68.
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That's what I'm saying. Unless somebody is 100% sure they know who that is playing the piano, I'm not convinced this is 1969.
The piano is played by Nicky. The drum sound and playing is not Charlie playing in 1966. It's the Jimmy Miller sound and playing influenced Charlie of 1968/1969.
Goddard supposedly saying they played RT for his film seems to make sense of the sound and playing.
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JordyLicks96
Majesty, you're not reading any of the previous comments. Someone confirmed they have an inside source where they know where all the tracks come from. He says it's Brian Jones on the piano and it's from '66.
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JordyLicks96
Majesty, you're not reading any of the previous comments. Someone confirmed they have an inside source where they know where all the tracks come from. He says it's Brian Jones on the piano and it's from '66.
Not so.
That post is more like opinion mixed with possible inside source info. That these recordings were unearthed in relation to Crossfire Hurricane makes sense.
The 'inside source' is blatantly wrong IF they actually said it's Brian playing piano. It is Nicky Hopkins playing piano and the drums are not Charlie circa 1966.
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SirMuddy
Here's what Nico Zentgraf put in his Complete Work Database, scroll down to the bottom of the page, last entrie... [www.nzentgraf.de] I'll take it that way 'till we have more infos.
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SirMuddy
Here's what Nico Zentgraf put in his Complete Work Database, scroll down to the bottom of the page, last entrie... [www.nzentgraf.de] I'll take it that way 'till we have more infos.
So will I.
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SirMuddy
Here's what Nico Zentgraf put in his Complete Work Database, scroll down to the bottom of the page, last entrie... [www.nzentgraf.de] I'll take it that way 'till we have more infos.
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JordyLicks96
I'd never argue with his site.
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JordyLicks96
If Nico has RT being 1968, than 1966 it is. I'd never argue with his site.
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I'd never argue with his site.
me neither and he confirmed my "hunch" that the blusier LIV is in fact LIV I dated 1968-05-23.
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Huh?
" - Love In Vain I (Robert Johnson) -Olympic Sound Studios, London, May 23,
1968, blusier, with washboard"
Therefore Nico confirms my hunch that this "blusier" arrangement (in fact a straight copy of Robert Johnson's tune) and the totally reworked "LIB album" one are so dissimilar that a respectable amount of time (= several months) has to separate one from the other.
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JordyLicks96
Updated Recording Dates:
Ruby Tuesday (Rock And Roll Circus Rehearsals) - Intertel Studios, London [December 10, 1968]
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JordyLicks96
Updated Recording Dates:
Stray Cat Blues (Instrumental) - Olympic Sound Studios, London [March 1968]
Love In Vain (Early Blusier Version) - Olympic Sound Studios, London [May 23, 1968]
Ruby Tuesday & Sympathy For The Devil (Rock And Roll Circus Rehearsals) - Intertel Studios, London [December 10, 1968]
Midnight Rambler (Instrumental) - Olympic Sound Studios, London [February 9 or 10, 1969]
Let It Bleed (Instrumental) - Olympic Sound Studios, London [March 9, 1969]
You Can't Always Get What You Want (Choir Session) - Olympic Sound Studios, London [March 15, 1969]
Sister Morphine (Early Version) - Olympic Sound Studios, London [March 1969]
Country Honk (Instrumental) - Olympic Sound Studios, London [May 1969]
Wild Horses (With Strings and Glass Harmonica) - Florence, Alabama, Muscle Shoals Sound Studios [December 4, 1969]; unknown studio for overdubbed strings [Mid-Late 1970]
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JordyLicks96
Updated Recording Dates:
Love In Vain (Early Blusier Version) - Olympic Sound Studios, London [May 23, 1968]
Ruby Tuesday & Sympathy For The Devil (Rock And Roll Circus Rehearsals) - Intertel Studios, London [December 10, 1968]
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Sir Muddy
Date: January 2, 2020 19:15
Hi!I've got some more ideas about the recording dates.... (Near HTW sessions make no senses) The Band are in Sunset Sound Studios (Los Angeles), from 17th to 26th in October) working with tapes from Olympic Sound Studios (London) probably from April Sessions. After that (from October 28th to Novert 1st), There is a rehearsal sessions in stephen stills' basement. And just after that (November 2nd - 5th) they are in Warner Bros Studios for tour rehearsals. NICO ZENTGRAF wrote about a Let It Bleed take from those sessions... And I Think that it is the instrumental version we now have in the ABKCO extended copyrights package. I also think that Sympathy For The Devil, Stray Cat Blues, Ruby Tuesday, & Midnight Rambler are also from the Warner Bros Tour Rehearsals Sessions. Since all those tapes were probably kept in the same box that was used for the Sunset Sound Studios sessions somewhere in Los Angeles! Somebody finaly opened-up the treasure chest for us! (God Bless Him) So, that's enough thinking for me... I'm back to the music!
This is a possibility. Ruby Tuesday could have been dropped from the setlist as "odd" because you can consider the setlist rather bluesy, the acoustic songs (Prodigal son, Love in vain, You gotta move) were indeed bluestracks.
If these tracks were of a rehearsal in Autumn 1969 Mick Taylor took part, we should hear two guitarists. Is that the case?
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His Majesty
They have the spring 1969 sound and feel. The playing, singing and guitars, piano and drum sounds all fit.
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That they are 'rehearsals' for Circus sounds plausible, but not that they were recorded at the circus.
The sound is too full etc and different to actual circus recordings. That full and beautiful Olympic sound.
So, I say recordings done at Olympic for/in preparation for The R&R Circus in early December 1968.
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JordyLicks96
Updated Recording Dates:
Stray Cat Blues (Instrumental) - Olympic Sound Studios, London [March 1968]
Love In Vain (Early Blusier Version) - Olympic Sound Studios, London [May 23, 1968]
Ruby Tuesday & Sympathy For The Devil (Rock And Roll Circus Rehearsals) - Intertel Studios, London [December 10, 1968]
Midnight Rambler (Instrumental) - Olympic Sound Studios, London [February 9 or 10, 1969]
Let It Bleed (Instrumental) - Olympic Sound Studios, London [March 9, 1969]
You Can't Always Get What You Want (Choir Session) - Olympic Sound Studios, London [March 15, 1969]
Sister Morphine (Early Version) - Olympic Sound Studios, London [March 1969]
Country Honk (Instrumental) - Olympic Sound Studios, London [May 1969]
Wild Horses (With Strings and Glass Harmonica) - Florence, Alabama, Muscle Shoals Sound Studios [December 4, 1969]; unknown studio for overdubbed strings [Mid-Late 1970]
Same conclusions as in the Complete Works Database. Did Nico copy from you or did you copy from Nico?
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His Majesty
That they are 'rehearsals' for Circus sounds plausible, but not that they were recorded at the circus.
The sound is too full etc and different to actual circus recordings. That full and beautiful Olympic sound.
So, I say recordings done at Olympic for/in preparation for The R&R Circus in early December 1968.
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JordyLicks96
Yes, definitely agree. I was constantly thinking about RT being from '66, but comparing it with the other recordings now, I was definitely wrong.