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Thank you Andrea! I hope this is official and exclusively free for us the Iorr fans with the consent of the label. Thank you so much for sharing my friend!! Let's enjoy ;-)
Like the label had the consent of The Rolling Stones to release a recording like this?
Absolutely not. This is a bootleg from start to finish, not recorded with band permission and certainly not sold with their permission.
Also false advertising. It sounds like a single Mick IEM feed (not multiple feeds) with some wonky remastering. Not to my tastes.
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Thank you Andrea! I hope this is official and exclusively free for us the Iorr fans with the consent of the label. Thank you so much for sharing my friend!! Let's enjoy ;-)
Like the label had the consent of The Rolling Stones to release a recording like this?
Absolutely not. This is a bootleg from start to finish, not recorded with band permission and certainly not sold with their permission.
Also false advertising. It sounds like a single Mick IEM feed (not multiple feeds) with some wonky remastering. Not to my tastes.
Each to their own taste and comments no problem with that but Andrea82 has bought these CD's and taken the time to upload them here. I think appreciation should be acknowledged.As I said if you don't like the recordings that's fine also. Me I appreciate people taking the time, spending money and making them available here for free. I applaud that.
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DiegoGlimmerStonesI think so, if the content is not an official release or a copy and it's not for sale, sharing fan material for a fan is niceQuote
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DiegoGlimmerStones
Thank you Andrea! I hope this is official and exclusively free for us the Iorr fans with the consent of the label. Thank you so much for sharing my friend!! Let's enjoy ;-)
Like the label had the consent of The Rolling Stones to release a recording like this?
Absolutely not. This is a bootleg from start to finish, not recorded with band permission and certainly not sold with their permission.
Also false advertising. It sounds like a single Mick IEM feed (not multiple feeds) with some wonky remastering. Not to my tastes.
Each to their own taste and comments no problem with that but Andrea82 has bought these CD's and taken the time to upload them here. I think appreciation should be acknowledged.As I said if you don't like the recordings that's fine also. Me I appreciate people taking the time, spending money and making them available here for free. I applaud that.
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DiegoGlimmerStonesI think so, if the content is not an official release or a copy and it's not for sale, sharing fan material for a fan is niceQuote
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DiegoGlimmerStones
Thank you Andrea! I hope this is official and exclusively free for us the Iorr fans with the consent of the label. Thank you so much for sharing my friend!! Let's enjoy ;-)
Like the label had the consent of The Rolling Stones to release a recording like this?
Absolutely not. This is a bootleg from start to finish, not recorded with band permission and certainly not sold with their permission.
Also false advertising. It sounds like a single Mick IEM feed (not multiple feeds) with some wonky remastering. Not to my tastes.
Each to their own taste and comments no problem with that but Andrea82 has bought these CD's and taken the time to upload them here. I think appreciation should be acknowledged.As I said if you don't like the recordings that's fine also. Me I appreciate people taking the time, spending money and making them available here for free. I applaud that.
Oh I have no issue with Andrea82 and the upload.
My beef is with the taper who goes to shows with the intention of selling the recording to bootleg labels, which gives the rest of us tapers a bad name. Same goes for the bootleg labels themselves.
So kudos to Andrea82 for liberating the recording, and hopefully nobody else will buy it. And hopefully the taper and bootleg company gets a rock in their shoe on a morning run, resulting in a nice blister.
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DiegoGlimmerStones
Thank you Andrea! I hope this is official and exclusively free for us the Iorr fans with the consent of the label. Thank you so much for sharing my friend!! Let's enjoy ;-)
Like the label had the consent of The Rolling Stones to release a recording like this?
Absolutely not. This is a bootleg from start to finish, not recorded with band permission and certainly not sold with their permission.
Also false advertising. It sounds like a single Mick IEM feed (not multiple feeds) with some wonky remastering. Not to my tastes.
Each to their own taste and comments no problem with that but Andrea82 has bought these CD's and taken the time to upload them here. I think appreciation should be acknowledged.As I said if you don't like the recordings that's fine also. Me I appreciate people taking the time, spending money and making them available here for free. I applaud that.
Oh I have no issue with Andrea82 and the upload.
My beef is with the taper who goes to shows with the intention of selling the recording to bootleg labels, which gives the rest of us tapers a bad name. Same goes for the bootleg labels themselves.
So kudos to Andrea82 for liberating the recording, and hopefully nobody else will buy it. And hopefully the taper and bootleg company gets a rock in their shoe on a morning run, resulting in a nice blister.
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senecastj
There is no reason that live recordings of the Stones in 2019 need to be sold, other than greed.
There's such a huge presence and acceptance of selling bootlegs among the Stones crowd from what I understand. Bit of a catch-22, because it discourages many tapers (including myself) from sharing, as it'll be sold. But then people buy because folks don't share enough.
I know some fanbases actively seek out tapers, buy them tickets, and then share amongst themselves. Perhaps that something folks here could do. Just a though.
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Without bootleg labels and people who sell live recordings and outtakes to bootleg labels approximately more than 90% of all widely circulating unofficial Stones stuff would still be in the hands of a very small exclusive circle. Would it be a better world for 99% of the Stones fans with no "exclusive connections"? Would the Stones benefit from such a situation in any way?
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senecastj
I remember being offered $1000 by a bootleg company for an ALD + IEM recording I did in 2002. It was tempting but glad I declined (especially for a young new taper). It's a deep rabbit hole to go down once you start selling. From most of the tapers I know, once you're known as a seller, the exchange of recordings dries up. After all, if you're selling your recordings, I have no faith that you wouldn't sell mine.
In any case, I strongly feel that selling of the recordings crosses a line. Most bands I know don't mind (but don't endorse) fans running recording gear at concerts, but almost all universarily despise the selling of bootlegs. Unfortunately most bands can't quite tell the difference, and fan tapers get hit harder as a result.
Like I said before, it's a catch-22. I taped eight IEM feeds from the Santa Clara 2019 show. However, because of a high likelihood of it being sold and/or remastered at poor quality, I probably won't release it. But that also means less recordings out there, increasing demand for bootlegs.
The bootleg selling element is commonplace in many fanbases, but seems very strong among the Stones community. I agree with most of what ThinAir stated above, particularly about the mediocre quality of the Xavel IEM releases.
Anyways, I know I'm blowing hot air into the wind, people gonna buy what they buy. I'll keep taping and sharing with other tapers. Maybe one day I'll release a Stones mix like I've done with a bunch of other bands.
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I remember being offered $1000 by a bootleg company for an ALD + IEM recording I did in 2002. It was tempting but glad I declined (especially for a young new taper). It's a deep rabbit hole to go down once you start selling. From most of the tapers I know, once you're known as a seller, the exchange of recordings dries up. After all, if you're selling your recordings, I have no faith that you wouldn't sell mine.
In any case, I strongly feel that selling of the recordings crosses a line. Most bands I know don't mind (but don't endorse) fans running recording gear at concerts, but almost all universarily despise the selling of bootlegs. Unfortunately most bands can't quite tell the difference, and fan tapers get hit harder as a result.
Like I said before, it's a catch-22. I taped eight IEM feeds from the Santa Clara 2019 show. However, because of a high likelihood of it being sold and/or remastered at poor quality, I probably won't release it. But that also means less recordings out there, increasing demand for bootlegs.
The bootleg selling element is commonplace in many fanbases, but seems very strong among the Stones community. I agree with most of what ThinAir stated above, particularly about the mediocre quality of the Xavel IEM releases.
Anyways, I know I'm blowing hot air into the wind, people gonna buy what they buy. I'll keep taping and sharing with other tapers. Maybe one day I'll release a Stones mix like I've done with a bunch of other bands.
There are probably 1000's of people who would love to hear the fruits of your labor.
I'd encourage you to share your tape outside the trader circles. While I understand and will respect your wishes,I'd love to be able to see fans who attended this show be able to relive a memory.
It is your recording, however and I understand if you decide to keep it inside of trader circles.
Thanks for taping the show. It requires a lot of effort and it does prevent you from enjoying the show as much as just an attendee does.
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senecastj
I remember being offered $1000 by a bootleg company for an ALD + IEM recording I did in 2002. It was tempting but glad I declined (especially for a young new taper). It's a deep rabbit hole to go down once you start selling. From most of the tapers I know, once you're known as a seller, the exchange of recordings dries up. After all, if you're selling your recordings, I have no faith that you wouldn't sell mine.
In any case, I strongly feel that selling of the recordings crosses a line. Most bands I know don't mind (but don't endorse) fans running recording gear at concerts, but almost all universarily despise the selling of bootlegs. Unfortunately most bands can't quite tell the difference, and fan tapers get hit harder as a result.
Like I said before, it's a catch-22. I taped eight IEM feeds from the Santa Clara 2019 show. However, because of a high likelihood of it being sold and/or remastered at poor quality, I probably won't release it. But that also means less recordings out there, increasing demand for bootlegs.
The bootleg selling element is commonplace in many fanbases, but seems very strong among the Stones community. I agree with most of what ThinAir stated above, particularly about the mediocre quality of the Xavel IEM releases.
Anyways, I know I'm blowing hot air into the wind, people gonna buy what they buy. I'll keep taping and sharing with other tapers. Maybe one day I'll release a Stones mix like I've done with a bunch of other bands.
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senecastj
I remember being offered $1000 by a bootleg company for an ALD + IEM recording I did in 2002. It was tempting but glad I declined (especially for a young new taper). It's a deep rabbit hole to go down once you start selling. From most of the tapers I know, once you're known as a seller, the exchange of recordings dries up. After all, if you're selling your recordings, I have no faith that you wouldn't sell mine.
In any case, I strongly feel that selling of the recordings crosses a line. Most bands I know don't mind (but don't endorse) fans running recording gear at concerts, but almost all universarily despise the selling of bootlegs. Unfortunately most bands can't quite tell the difference, and fan tapers get hit harder as a result.
Like I said before, it's a catch-22. I taped eight IEM feeds from the Santa Clara 2019 show. However, because of a high likelihood of it being sold and/or remastered at poor quality, I probably won't release it. But that also means less recordings out there, increasing demand for bootlegs.
The bootleg selling element is commonplace in many fanbases, but seems very strong among the Stones community. I agree with most of what ThinAir stated above, particularly about the mediocre quality of the Xavel IEM releases.
Anyways, I know I'm blowing hot air into the wind, people gonna buy what they buy. I'll keep taping and sharing with other tapers. Maybe one day I'll release a Stones mix like I've done with a bunch of other bands.
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Thank you Andrea! I hope this is official and exclusively free for us the Iorr fans with the consent of the label. Thank you so much for sharing my friend!! Let's enjoy ;-)
Like the label had the consent of The Rolling Stones to release a recording like this?
Absolutely not. This is a bootleg from start to finish, not recorded with band permission and certainly not sold with their permission.
Also false advertising. It sounds like a single Mick IEM feed (not multiple feeds) with some wonky remastering. Not to my tastes.
Each to their own taste and comments no problem with that but Andrea82 has bought these CD's and taken the time to upload them here. I think appreciation should be acknowledged.As I said if you don't like the recordings that's fine also. Me I appreciate people taking the time, spending money and making them available here for free. I applaud that.
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DiegoGlimmerStonesI think so, if the content is not an official release or a copy and it's not for sale, sharing fan material for a fan is niceQuote
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DiegoGlimmerStones
Thank you Andrea! I hope this is official and exclusively free for us the Iorr fans with the consent of the label. Thank you so much for sharing my friend!! Let's enjoy ;-)
Like the label had the consent of The Rolling Stones to release a recording like this?
Absolutely not. This is a bootleg from start to finish, not recorded with band permission and certainly not sold with their permission.
Also false advertising. It sounds like a single Mick IEM feed (not multiple feeds) with some wonky remastering. Not to my tastes.
Each to their own taste and comments no problem with that but Andrea82 has bought these CD's and taken the time to upload them here. I think appreciation should be acknowledged.As I said if you don't like the recordings that's fine also. Me I appreciate people taking the time, spending money and making them available here for free. I applaud that.
I just want to say thank you so much Andrea82 for sharing this wonderful gift. I really appreciate this material, I think it's fantastic. I really think that Andrea is someone so kind and considerate and I love that she can make it available to all of us in a very kind way. I just ask if we have Xavel's authorization to download their material for free because they are selling it to other people