To compensate for the skips on ESVD here's avery good adience fro Mike Millard

1975.07.09 The Forum, Inglewood, CA Mike Millard 1th gen
[www.filefactory.com]

The Rolling Stones
July 9, 1975
Great Western Forum
Inglewood, California

Source: AKG microphones > Nak 550 > Cass Master > 1st Gen (Maxell XLII C90)
Transfer: Nakamichi playback > Standalone CDR > CDR(4) > EAC > Flac

taper: Mike Millard
transfer: unknown
EAC'd jbraveman@hotmail.com September 2005

Disc 1
1. [Intro]
2. Honky Tonk Women >> I have 2 info files >> Dime info states HTW
3. All Down the Line
4. If You Can't Rock Me
5. Get Off My Cloud
6. @#$%&
7. Gimme Shelter
8. Ain't Too Proud to Beg
9. You Gotta Move
10. Can't Always Get What You Want
11. Happy
12. Tumbling Dice
13. It's Only Rock and Roll
14. Heartbreaker

Disc 2
1. Fingerprint File
2. Angie
3. Wild Horses
4. That's Life
5. Outta Space
6. Brown Sugar
7. Midnight Rambler
8. Rip This Joint
9. Street Fighting Man
10. Jumping Jack Flash
11. Sympathy For The Devil (not included here, see below)

Notes: Very good sounding audience recording (B+). Sound improves after 1st few songs. I got the discs in CDR trade. Extraction logs included with files. I have not listened all the way through to document any glitches, cuts or flips. I have not done any editing. I have not heard any other source for this show for comparison.

Sympathy for the Devil = source for Love You Live official release



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Many thanks!

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stonesmuziekfan
To compensate for the skips on ESVD here's avery good adience fro Mike Millard

1975.07.09 The Forum, Inglewood, CA Mike Millard 5th gen
[www.filefactory.com]

Many thanks, stonesmuziekfan

But....Disc 5 which has the skips is 1975-07-12 show, not 1975.07.09...

File is missing sympathy for the devil

Thx,it'll be interesting to compare it to the DAC title (which is most probably taken from the same Millard tape).

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marko
File is missing sympathy for the devil

See final text line in first post.

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marko
File is missing sympathy for the devil

"Sympathy for the Devil = source for Love You Live official release"
probably omitted in order to respect the rules @ Dime, imho.
Cheers
Hervé

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keithpinkmoon

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stonesmuziekfan
To compensate for the skips on ESVD here's avery good adience fro Mike Millard

1975.07.09 The Forum, Inglewood, CA Mike Millard 5th gen
[www.filefactory.com]

Many thanks, stonesmuziekfan

But....Disc 5 which has the skips is 1975-07-12 show, not 1975.07.09...

Mistake on this date, but the good news I did fine it on LA Fog

Here is the info for disc 3

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-Mike Millard master -
taken from "Whores, Cocaine And A Bottle Of Jack" Empress Valley SD-

lineage: silver CD / EAC / flac

quality: nearly excellent audience


CD 03:

01 Intro
02 Honky Tonk Women
03 All Down The Line
04 If You Can't Rock Me-Get Off Of My Cloud
05 Star Star
06 Gimme Shelter
07 Ain't Too Proud To Beg
08 You Gotta Move
09 You Can't Always Get What You Want
10 Happy (fades out after 1.24)

Upload is in process

Thanks a lot, stonesmuziekfan!
Hervé

May I disagree about the "5th gen" claim?

The txt file that comes with the DL says :
"Source: AKG microphones > Nak 550 > Cass Master > 1st Gen (Maxell XLII C90) Transfer: Nakamichi playback > Standalone CDR > CDR(4) > EAC > Flac"

So to meit's a 1stgen recording and it sounds pretty good. And what a show, the band was obviously trying to impress the L.A. press ans socialites that filled the Forum.

Hi!
Just noticed this mistake in the info file:
Disc 1
1. [Intro]
2. If You Can't Rock Me

Track two is 02 Honky Tonk Women

Cheers
Hervé

is it possible to get sympathy as well? by private email perhaps?

SFTD's on DAC-049. In fact the boot is a straight copy/clone of stonesmuziekfan's post. Only a minor amount of EQ was applied to make the music sound "brighter".



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2018-10-29 19:58 by dcba.

Just for fun ... I used VGP and DAC artworks @ dbboots.




Cheers
Hervé



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2018-10-28 19:36 by hj3009.

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marko
is it possible to get sympathy as well? by private email perhaps?

I don't have this track in this file

answering posted remarks

5th gen is how the file was labelled but must be a typo

Disc one Track two indeed is 02 Honky Tonk Women

SFTD is on a Falo matrix and will be send via the stonesvault mailings

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stonesmuziekfan
answering posted remarks

5th gen is how the file was labelled but must be a typo

Disc one Track two indeed is 02 Honky Tonk Women

SFTD is on a Falo matrix and will be send via the stonesvault mailings

I guess this whole LA75 discussion is a mess. Havent listened to this upload here yet, but MY matrix of LA75 is the video show from july 11th.

if you wanna make sure to have a true july 9th release you are listening to, compare it to the vinyl rip of "American Tour 75 I&II".

And also keep in mind that the infos on "Whores, Cocaine, & A Bottle of Jack" are wrong and completely mixed up.

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falo01

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stonesmuziekfan
answering posted remarks

5th gen is how the file was labelled but must be a typo

Disc one Track two indeed is 02 Honky Tonk Women

SFTD is on a Falo matrix and will be send via the stonesvault mailings

I guess this whole LA75 discussion is a mess. Havent listened to this upload here yet, but MY matrix of LA75 is the video show from july 11th.

I thought the video is - finaly - from July 12th...?!?

[en.wikipedia.org]



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mlejay

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falo01

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stonesmuziekfan
answering posted remarks

5th gen is how the file was labelled but must be a typo

Disc one Track two indeed is 02 Honky Tonk Women

SFTD is on a Falo matrix and will be send via the stonesvault mailings

I guess this whole LA75 discussion is a mess. Havent listened to this upload here yet, but MY matrix of LA75 is the video show from july 11th.

I thought the video is - finaly - from July 12th...?!?

[en.wikipedia.org]

This confusion started with the official LA75 release, stating that the video show is from July12th.

My point of view is:
Mike Millard taped the shows from July 11,12,13. Not sure if he taped the first two shows too (9&10), but I think there is no recording available of him.
There has never been any mislabelling from Millard so I´m pretty confident, that the show order of his recordings is also correct for LA75. And he says
the video show is July 11th. I don`t trust the Vault release infos. Keep in mind that they were unable to say which recording the alternate SBD on the audio release and the japanese vault box was from (July 13th).
I always trust the hardcore freaks more than any official source. Their goal is only making money, not delivering accurate infos.



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Concerning "Whores, Cocaine, & A Bottle of Jack" here is an info of Mr.Delicious from years back explaining some things.


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Subject: Re: SFJ 917


Hi John,
Can you please forward this to the Journal? I do not know how to reach them
directly, and with that Whores thing in the recent one I'd like to throw in
my 2 cents. Thanks. Mike (Oh-please obviously do not print my name or email
address with it)

Whore Cocaine LA 75 Box

Well after reading the long item on the Whores Cocaine & A Bottle Of Jack in
the last SFJ I just had to respond. I am Mr. Delicious, the guy who put the
thing together and did the remastering etc. Here is what I did that was sent
to Empress Valley:
1) Take all Mike Mallard tapes that were given to me for remastering and put
together an 8 cd master.
2) Come up with the idea of the Program to be included and then find via a
2nd party, somebody with a mint copy.
3) Convince the person with the tapes to also let the video be included.
Here is what happened:
I received various labelled tapes from the different nights. All had Mike
Mallard's handwriting on them etc. In each case the tapes were, in part,
starting to deteriorate. You could notice this if you ran the tapes straight
without any work in that one channel would have flutter and alot of drop
outs and just generally make the stereo image very unbalanced and disturbing
to the ear. I spent about 3-4 weeks doing everything I could to make these
tapes sound as perfect as humanly possible with the means available to me.
Now on the imcomplete night there WAS a goddawful tape recorder malfunction.
It was a loud horrid howling. From what I was told the tape machine was
somehow (don't ask-I can't explain it but if you heard it then this makes
sense) feeding back into itself. You were dealing with a half second of
music and then 5 minutes of howling feedback and another second or two of
music intersperesed with silences of varying lengths. Obviously I was not
going to include a good hour of this (that sort of thing I'll leave up to
Vinyl Gang). Then on the next night during the first two songs you again
have this problem throughout the second half of the first song and the first
half of the second song. In THIS case I left the howling and flaws in: I
wanted people to for a 4 minute + period be able to hear EXACTLY what the
reason was why I chose to not include the flawed portion of the one night.
It is almost totally impossible to sit through for 4 minutes, much less 60+
minutes. The best way to describe it is try listening to a lives Stones LP
during an earthquake with 2 babies screaming and crying continuously for 60+
minutes RIGHT next to both of your ears while you are listening to it.

I must digress here and admit: I have yet to listen to the finished box. I
lived with these tapes for a good month and have yet to want to devote a day
or two to listening to it all again. I also have tons of things I have NOT
heard yet that have taken priority in my life and from what I am hearing I
might just wind up having a brain aneurysm if I ever DO listen to the
finished box ! I am of course assuming that what everyone is saying is true
however and basing my rebuttals on what I am hearing via the Journal etc.

I made it VERY clear to Empress Valley that what I gave them was not to be
altered in ANY way. The unlistenable 4 minutes were to be left in untouched
for people to hear along with my disclaimer in the liner notes as to WHY
these 4 minutes were left intact. Along with the recorder problems and the
deteriorating tapes the other main problem was that some of the tapes would
not always, when flipped over, contain the rest of what was on the other
side of the tape. In some cases Fingerprint File would fade, and when I
turned the tape over to continue it I would notice it was a different
version from a different night on the other side. So nights had to be
matched up based on overall sound quality etc, timbre, logic (depending on
how the first half of the song was being played etc). This was not as easy
as it sounds but it was very interesting to do as it forced me to listen to
the music in a very different and analytical way.
The one night that sounds different, by the way, was recorded from seats on
the side of the stage (you can clearly see this on the DVDRom-see below for
further explanation). On the master I sent to Empress Valley you had ALL the
Mike Mallard recordings (barring the unlistenable half of one show) in the
best sound possible and with all nights in proper order with all songs
within each night in proper order. On MY final masters Disc 8 was only about
20 minutes long-this was unavoidable.

As far as the DVDR goes: the ONLY way the person who owned this was willing
to allow it's inclusion WAS with the huge writing on it-he added this before
he gave me the video to send to Empress valley and it was not a negotiatable
issue. It was a "my way or the highway" situation on his part. Now know
this: ALL the video was shot by one of Mallard's friends from the seat right
next to wherever Mallard sat on a given night. If you want to know from
where each recording was made, watch the DVDR-the footage on the DVDR is in
the correct order (Night 1, Night 2 etc). The footage however was silent
Super 8 footage. We did NOT sync anything up or even attempt to. We threw on
one of the shows and synced it up with the first images on the film ONLY
(the opening notes of the show) and just let the music run underneath the
movie unedited and uninterrupted. OF COURSE it has no bearing on what you
are watching once the visuals and audio quickly go out of sync. That was a
judgement call on MY part. I had 3 choices: either the DVDR is silent, or we
ATTEMPT to do some half assed sync job which would be annoying beyond belief
for any sane person to want to listen to (and inevitably doomed to failure
to even attempt with the means and equiptment at my disposal !), or we just
throw on one of the nights uninterrupted and let the viewer decide if they
want the sound on or off. In my opinion that was better than just throwing
it on there as a 75 minute silent movie. Sorry, but in my opinion to
complain about THAT is just plain nitpicking and petty.

So anyways, everything was sent to Japan and they then spent the better part
of the year dicking around with getting it out. Eventually the 300 numbered
copies did obviously come out (and yes-it IS 300 numbered copies, NOT 250).
Then I started hearing about things that sounded impossible (like disc 8 was
now a full length disc, that nobody heard the flawed 4 minutes on the one
show that I DEMANDED not be removed and upon which Empress Valley being
GIVEN the tapes for release in the first place was contingent: "You will NOT
change ANYTHING on my masters whatsoever"winking smiley.

I emailed them immediately when I started hearing of problems. I was told
(basically):
"Oh-we already HAD some of the shows and we just need 1 show of yours and
half of a different show so we made our own masters as we liked what we had
better." THEN they emailed me with "Oh-the mistake on the one show being
edited in and the other being missing-that was YOUR mistake on YOUR masters,
however we have caught the problem and will very soon be issuing a
replacement disc which we will send to you and anybody who got a Box with
this problem you can give this replacement disc to. So sorry."

First off: Bullshit ! I did not give them incomplete and bizarrely edited
out of sequence shows. What I gave them was honest and definitive. And for
whatever reasons they decided to @#$%& with what I gave them and do whatever
the hell they pleased with it. At least so it seems. In my opinion alone the
removal of the flawed 4 minutes is dishonest and inexcusable because those 4
minutes alone explain very clearly why one night had to remain incomplete.
Also the full title of the cd as I gave it to them (I wrote ALL lines,
titled it etc) was:
"Whores, Cocaine & A Bottle Of Jack (The Complete Mike Mallard 1975 LA Forum
Tapes)"
The cover was supposed to make very truthfully clear exactly what was
contained therein.

And of course the replacement discs never arrived. Now meanwhile Empress
Valley has of course release one of the flawed night as a new and seperate
release. Have they sent me one? Of course not. But here's the kicker: From
what I hear this NEW AND IMPROVED release uses MY ORIGINAL master that I
sent them for the Whores box !!!!! Which is doubly insulting because
according to them I had supposedly screwed up the master that they used on
the Whores and OBVIOUSLY they chose not to use my master and now are saving
face by issuing MY master and claiming it as THEIR "new and improved"
version ! Hey-thanks for sending me a copy guys !

Let us not forget: Empress Valley used to be Tarantura, known for their
endless reissuing of Zep titles and often screwing those up as
well.............

I just want to set the record straight that whatever went wrong with the
Whores box (and like I said: I have yet to listen to it because I know I
will just get even more angry about the whole thing): the blame lies FIRMLY
with Empress Valley, NOT the people who put the thing together in the first
place. My intent with this box was to honour the "Greatest Rock & Roll Band
On Earth" with the "Greatest Rolling Stones Live Bootleg On Earth". And what
they were given to issue would have been just that, in my opinion. An honest
and definitive issue of the 1975 LA Forum Mike Mallard recordings. Nothing
More Nothing Less.

Mr. Delicious



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and some track info on the "Whores" vinyl:

Whores, Cocaine And A Bottle Of Jack
8 CD + 1 DVD-R
Empress Valley Supreme Disc EVSD 43/44/45/46/47/48/49/50

CD 1 and 2: Complete show from Los Angeles, July 9, 1975.
Also available on L. A. Fog (VGP-277) and Love You Live Los Angeles (DAC-049).

CD 3 and 4: Incomplete show from Los Angeles, July 11 (not 12 as cover says!),
1975. The end of Honky Tonk Women, the beginning of All Down The Line and a part of Fingerprint File
are edited from July 13. Midnight Rambler is complete. Complete show available in soundboard quality
on L. A. Connection (VGP-085).

CD 5: Inomplete show (until Happy, faded out) from Los Angeles, July 12 (not 11 as cover says!), 1975.

CD 6, 7 and 8: Complete show from Los Angeles, July 13, 1975. Also available (on 2 CDs) on L. A. Friday (VGP-082).

July 11, 12 and 13 also available on The Lost Millard Masters (VGP-340).
All (also the July 11 show) in very good audience quality.
Plus a DVD recordable with 75 minute private video excerpts of all 1975 L. A. shows
(but not the circulating complete July 11 video). Box package with the 8 CDs packed in
2 separate digipaks. Incl. a reprint of the 1975 tour program and a sticker. Limited edition, 300 copies.



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Here is some more info, which I found (next to falo's 'Mr. Delicious' info above) in my artwork folder for this release:

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Whores, Cocaine And A Bottle Of Jack
8 CD + 1 DVD-R
Empress Valley Supreme Disc EVSD 43/44/45/46/47/48/49/50

CD 1 and 2: Complete show from Los Angeles, July 9, 1975.
Also available on L. A. Fog (VGP-277) and Love You Live Los Angeles (DAC-049).

CD 3 and 4: Incomplete show from Los Angeles, July 11 (not 12 as cover says!),
1975. The end of Honky Tonk Women, the beginning of All Down The Line and a part of Fingerprint File
are edited from July 13. Midnight Rambler is complete. Complete show available in soundboard quality
on L. A. Connection (VGP-085).

CD 5: Inomplete show (until Happy, faded out) from Los Angeles, July 12 (not 11 as cover says!), 1975.

CD 6, 7 and 8: Complete show from Los Angeles, July 13, 1975. Also available (on 2 CDs) on L. A. Friday (VGP-082).

July 11, 12 and 13 also available on The Lost Millard Masters (VGP-340).
All (also the July 11 show) in very good audience quality.
Plus a DVD recordable with 75 minute private video excerpts of all 1975 L. A. shows
(but not the circulating complete July 11 video). Box package with the 8 CDs packed in
2 separate digipaks. Incl. a reprint of the 1975 tour program and a sticker. Limited edition, 250 copies.

***************************



Edit: falo was a minute faster than me :-)



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joguema
Edit: falo was a minute faster than me :-)

yeah, two minds, same thought ;-)

BTW, this may explain the irritating infos on the Vault box, confusing
July 11th & 12th. They may have trusted the info on the "Whores" box.

I must have this info copied somewhere.
The discussion started again because SFTD was omitted in this post.
The answer to that is; It is available on 'LOVE YOU LIVE'
Guess everybody has that CD

here is my version of the "words of wonder" listings for the LA75 shows. Keep in mind that they were done using old, partly bad, AUD recordings in the 90s.
But it helps to identify the recordings anyway.

[wetransfer.com]

will check things for myself, also upload the july9th vinyl,
if nobody else is faster than me.

CONFIRMED AUD FOR
JULY 9TH 1975

[wetransfer.com]

It´s the "American Tour 75" vinyl. File name says "Smoking Stones", so I´m not sure what the source is. Both vinyls contain the same recording.
Also not sure who did the transfer. Most of the amazing vinyl transfers are done by silkcut so I guess he did this one too but I´m not sure.

KMET FM Newscast/
It's Only Rock 'n Roll/
Heartbreaker/
Fingerprint File/
Ain't Too Proud To Beg/
You Gotta Move/
If You Can't Rock Me-Get Off My Cloud/
Star Star/
KABC-TV Newscast

Official 1975 Tour Radio Ad/
You Can't Always Get What You Want/
Happy/
Tumbling Dice/
Angie/
Wild Horses/
Brown Sugar/
Jumpin' Jack Flash/
KFWB-AM Newscast



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Thank you very much, I was missing this Vinyl rip.
still no SFTD

Thanks a lot!
Hervé

These were incredible vinyl releases at the time, even if the details were wrong



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Any idea who recorded this if not Millard?