Somebody in Germany offers a (2016?) picture with all autographs. You only need to enter "Stones" and "Autogramm" to find it (remeier2012). Very strange. My autographs of Jagger, Watts look very different, much more complicated, also Keith' looks very simple. Wood is halfway as usual. Another rip-off? BTW could a German get all autographs in South America 2016? Seems nearly impossible.



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You mean this oneß
haha, great fake...

And it's being sold for only 3 euros? I want two of these.

Meanwhile 16 Euro

RS' Autographs for comparison:


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ROCKMAN

I dont understand the allure of autographs. I never have.

I always get a kick out of the often shown movie scene where the frustrated "star" passes out head shots (or something) to the minions and exclaims "HELP ME SIGN THESE!"

And the tales of The Stones themselves (and bunches of other stars) signing for each other when someone wouldn't show up.... and then we learned about the auto pen.... and all of the other ways things get signed. I find it pretty funny. I am more attracted to mint condition items where no grubby fingers have ever touched it.

But to each their own, it is all fun.

If Kieth signs something he dates it with the year under his signature now so don't think these are genuine

Now he has another one. Looks like a poor falsification again.



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Now he has another one. Looks like a poor falsification again.

Do you mean this one? Very poor falsification indeed.

Yeah. He doesn't seem to know how they really sign. The one above sold for some 30 EURO btw.



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Do you mean this one? Very poor falsification indeed.

And the photo must be a Polaroid if he got the autographs in London at Saatchi Gallery on 4-Apr-2016 ....


The real autographs (London, Saatchi Gallery, 4-Apr-2016): [iorr.org] + [iorr.org] .


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The real autographs (London, Saatchi Gallery, 4-Apr-2016): [iorr.org] + [iorr.org] .


[www.gettyimages.com]

Thanks, Irix! Almost a year ago...time flies by.

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Now he has another one. Looks like a poor falsification again.

Do you mean this one? Very poor falsification indeed.

Signed by Pievel, Unp, Cal and Koo Piss. Great band!

After this discussion I have informed Ebay that this is very likely a fake.

Charlie:




Chris from Belgium

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Charlie:

WOW + WOW!

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You mean this oneß
haha, great fake...

It reached 103 Euros. I informed Ebay people, but they did nothing.

Ahhh, wrong picture. I meant the second one.



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I think the whole thing is really easy. As far as I'm concerned, the only autograph that really means anything, and that has any value (and that's to me only) is an autograph I've got myself personally, i.e. person-to-person. Anything else, I can't possibly have any idea if it's authentic or not, and I really gotta say that certificates of authenticity physically presented with allegedly authentic autographs mean only that the autographs are allegedly authentic. Certificates of authenticity can't and don't prove anything to me. The same goes for photographs of stars allegedly signing the autographs. They're pictures. I have no way of knowing if the autograph being given in the picture is the autograph I have in front of me. It's simply not possible to establish whether or not an autograph is authentic unless you've collected it in person yourself. The bottom line is to make your own decision when buying this stuff, and not to have any regrets when you've bought.

As you can probably all imagine, I've never purchased an autograph, so I've never had any doubts or regrets about autographs. I hope this helps a lot of people to put this matter into proper perspective.

You're right, but it's still unfair to sell obvious fakes for more than 100 Euro. But if people are so stupid...

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You're right, but it's still unfair to sell obvious fakes for more than 100 Euro. But if people are so stupid...

Thanks, and you're right too, especially confirming what I mentioned about everybody needing to make their own decisions and, really, not to complain if you find you bought a dud, or even just think that you did. That, to be realistic, includes paying big bucks for obvious fakes, the stuff that just doesn't pass the smell test. Which brings me full circle - how do you really know if you've bought a dud or a real one? I say it's impossible. Back to opening position - the only autograph you can really trust is the one you've collected yourself.

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the only autograph you can really trust is the one you've collected yourself.

And then you can can be stupid like me, LOL!
During the Licks tour, I had a 40 Licks Box signed backstage by all 4.
Unfortunately, the signatures were done with a normal pen.
After the box was signed, I went to put it in my car.
The next day, I used kitchen shrink wrap to protect the signatures.
A couple of years later, I wanted to know what was inside the box, so I took off the shrink wrap and suddenly had 2 sets of autographs; the shrink wrap had absorbed part of the ink, and the autographs on the box were seriously faded.....

Chris from Belgium

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the only autograph you can really trust is the one you've collected yourself.

And then you can can be stupid like me, LOL!
During the Licks tour, I had a 40 Licks Box signed backstage by all 4.
Unfortunately, the signatures were done with a normal pen.
After the box was signed, I went to put it in my car.
The next day, I used kitchen shrink wrap to protect the signatures.
A couple of years later, I wanted to know what was inside the box, so I took off the shrink wrap and suddenly had 2 sets of autographs; the shrink wrap had absorbed part of the ink, and the autographs on the box were seriously faded.....

What a pain, sorry to hear about this Chris!

Good point. I should therefore add the strong advice " .... and protect it, safely'' to my bottom-line comment. It's all a case of "buyer beware". Hope we don't hear any "crying in my boots stories", other than Chris's

Even a very high asking price on E-bay isn't always a guarantee that the autograph is real.

So as Stonesman87 keeps on telling, you can only be sure of the autographs you got in person.

I'm not an autograph hunter, but I did manage to get a nice collection of autographs (in person), except for 2 items!

The first one is kind of a (almost literally) sweet story:
For one of the concerts (can't remember the tour), I brought Lisa a box of Belgian chocolates. She was delighted and took them with her when she left the backstage bar.
An hour or so later, she came back in, looked around for me and when she had found me, she gave me a guitar pick guard, signed by all 4, the back-up singers, Bobby K, Blondie, Tim R and Chuck L.
So now I don't really know if these are real, as I didn't see the thing signed, LOL!!!!!

Anyway, I bought a (cheap) guitar and replaced the pick guard with the one I got from Lisa.

Years later,before I left Europe for a couple of years, I sold the guitar to a German museum, where it's still on display.

(I think I still have a picture of the guitar somewhere, if I find it, I'll post it here)

The second one was one of the limited to 50 hand-signed litho's, which I bought from the official Stones store. (I have all the numbered plate-signed litho's too, some from the limited to 5.000, some of the limited to 2.500 series)

Chris from Belgium

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Even a very high asking price on E-bay isn't always a guarantee that the autograph is real.

So as Stonesman87 keeps on telling, you can only be sure of the autographs you got in person.

I'm not an autograph hunter, but I did manage to get a nice collection of autographs (in person), except for 2 items!

The first one is kind of a (almost literally) sweet story:
For one of the concerts (can't remember the tour), I brought Lisa a box of Belgian chocolates. She was delighted and took them with her when she left the backstage bar.
An hour or so later, she came back in, looked around for me and when she had found me, she gave me a guitar pick guard, signed by all 4, the back-up singers, Bobby K, Blondie, Tim R and Chuck L.
So now I don't really know if these are real, as I didn't see the thing signed, LOL!!!!!

Anyway, I bought a (cheap) guitar and replaced the pick guard with the one I got from Lisa.

Years later,before I left Europe for a couple of years, I sold the guitar to a German museum, where it's still on display.

(I think I still have a picture of the guitar somewhere, if I find it, I'll post it here)

The second one was one of the limited to 50 hand-signed litho's, which I bought from the official Stones store. (I have all the numbered plate-signed litho's too, some from the limited to 5.000, some of the limited to 2.500 series)

Chris, thanks for your note of support. Dead right about the price. A really high price might be an indication of a suspect deal from somebody who's really pushing it. A noticeably low price could also be treated as potentially suspect. You can't really tell. My rule is an easy-to-follow golden rule which, IMHO () works every time and which, again IMHO (), everybody should follow and they'll never have a problem or a doubt with an autograph. One proviso - you need to be sure you're with the real person and not an impostor! For example, if you think you're getting an autograph from Elvis in person here in 2017, think carefully. (yet another ). Thank-you verrrry much, uh-huh, uh-huh.

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So as Stonesman87 keeps on telling, you can only be sure of the autographs you got in person.

Yes, absolutely.

I was recently at an Autograph hour with a well known Artist. I compared the different Autographs which he gave to the fans and the non-complex Autograph differed depending on if it was a Cover/Ticket/Autograph-Card/etc, the Pen he used and if he was focussed to the Autograph or was talking with fans while signing. Everyone could have done that Autograph with a little practice.

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Unfortunately, the signatures were done with a normal pen.

It would have been annoying too if the Autograph was done with a normal Pen with non-permanent Ink (like for Kids painting) and then smudged.

The Ink of the Pen should also be Light-resistant if (for instance) someone wants to hang a signed Poster on the wall.

It's also no good idea to put the Autograph in plastic sleeves which contain plasticizer, because the Ink could react with them.



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