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I have only heard bits and pieces of the Fonda, but getting something 'mastered for iTunes it seems to mean if you play it thru anything but your cheap computer speakers or earbuds the sound is tinny and thin. I would love to hear what it sounds like properly mixed and mastered for a CD release.

Very good performance in this case. Better than I could have ever expected from a band that was nearly 53 years into their career at that point.

This recording is begging for a better mix / master.

Is there any remaster ?



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I have only heard bits and pieces of the Fonda, but getting something 'mastered for iTunes it seems to mean if you play it thru anything but your cheap computer speakers or earbuds the sound is tinny and thin. I would love to hear what it sounds like properly mixed and mastered for a CD release.

Very good performance in this case. Better than I could have ever expected from a band that was nearly 53 years into their career at that point.

This recording is begging for a better mix / master.

I burnt it on CD using a little crossfade to avoid the microgaps and can´t see any reason for a remastered version. It sounds very good. The sound isn´t tinny and thin at all. Even converted it to mp3 for portable device and it still sounds great.

It has quite a limited dynamic range.

The files were originally and,to this point,exclusively released in an m4a container with a lossy compressed format used by Apple .... aac which is not that much different from mp3. The main difference between aac and mp3 is file size. There's not much,if any difference in sound quality between mp3 and aac given the same or similar bit-rate.

Neither can favorably compare to a lossless format but,that is not the only problem here. The mix / master is also likely to blame. The dynamic range should not be this low even with a lossy file format. The recording is clear,though and a great performance on all but a couple of songs.



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can i have a link, please acid.captain@yahoo.com

I don't know anymore where I got it, but I have a version (with the 10 songs, no more), with the following Audacity Spectrum analysis:



Chris from Belgium

Wouldn't something like this look better :



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You can have a better sound with audacity , with some effects (compression, bass, trebble )

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I have only heard bits and pieces of the Fonda, but getting something 'mastered for iTunes it seems to mean if you play it thru anything but your cheap computer speakers or earbuds the sound is tinny and thin. I would love to hear what it sounds like properly mixed and mastered for a CD release.

Mastered for iTunes means the Apple lossy files (aac) were created from a hi-res master. Theorically the high frequencies - typically chopped off when creating a lossy file - are better handled with a "mastered for iTunes" file. But in practice a mastered for iTunes file sounds about the same as any average mp3 encoded file: thin and shallow. That's why I think Mfit is just another gimmick from Apple.

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From What is mastering in 2016 :

"The main thing a mastering engineer is looking for when “Mastering For iTunes” is that after the encoding, there are no digital overs or clipping present in the encoded file. What some people don’t realize is that encoding a WAV to mp3, AAC, and other compressed formats will change (increase) the peak levels of an audio file."



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A special request to EddieByword: Could you change a word in the title of this thread from i-tunes (which doesn't exist) to iTunes? For confirmation of this, check out [www.apple.com]

Seriously. Who cares?? The i-police?? Sorry,I meant the iPolice.

He's serious.
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I agreee width stonesman, hate bad wording, speling, and bad gramer.

"Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates? ... MORONS!"

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A special request to EddieByword: Could you change a word in the title of this thread from i-tunes (which doesn't exist) to iTunes? For confirmation of this, check out [www.apple.com]

Seriously. Who cares?? The i-police?? Sorry,I meant the iPolice.

He's serious.
[iorr.org]
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I agreee width stonesman, hate bad wording, speling, and bad gramer.

"Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates? ... MORONS!"

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A special request to EddieByword: Could you change a word in the title of this thread from i-tunes (which doesn't exist) to iTunes? For confirmation of this, check out [www.apple.com]

Seriously. Who cares?? The i-police?? Sorry,I meant the iPolice.

He's serious.
[iorr.org]
[iorr.org]

I agreee width stonesman, hate bad wording, speling, and bad gramer.

"Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates? ... MORONS!"

Ha! Funny!


"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"



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And the best medicine.

OK, while we're on the topic, there are frequent listings on eBay entitled "Rolling Stones" magazine, but it's actually the world-famous "Rolling Stone" magazine. Do a search on eBay - plenty of examples always come up. OK, so we're all grown-up sophisticated Stones aficionados and purists here at I-ORR. Oops, make that "IORR". Only the best will do, right? Who goes (yay!) and who goes (boo!) to this frequent "careless" mistake? Maybe I can now say "QED" to the whole matter. Maybe? Cancel that. I'm saying it right now. QED

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A special request to EddieByword: Could you change a word in the title of this thread from i-tunes (which doesn't exist) to iTunes? For confirmation of this, check out [www.apple.com]

Seriously. Who cares?? The i-police?? Sorry,I meant the iPolice.

He's serious.
[iorr.org]
[iorr.org]

I agreee width stonesman, hate bad wording, speling, and bad gramer.

"Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates? ... MORONS!"

Ha! Funny!

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Thanks for the explanation!

Is there someone in the whole world who has a recording from the complete show??

Not only the "Sticky Fingers" Set???

Rock`s off

Andreas

Yeah, precisely what we need is an official release of the entire Fonda Theater show, on DVD and CD. Time waits for no one, boys.

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Is there someone in the whole world who has a recording from the complete show??

Yes - there're some people .... Director Paul Dugdale: [dugdaleblog.com] .... as well as The Rolling Stones .... recording in 4K-resolution ....

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A special request to EddieByword: Could you change a word in the title of this thread from i-tunes (which doesn't exist) to iTunes? For confirmation of this, check out [www.apple.com]

Seriously. Who cares?? The i-police?? Sorry,I meant the iPolice.

He's serious.
[iorr.org]
[iorr.org]

I agreee width stonesman, hate bad wording, speling, and bad gramer.

"Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates? ... MORONS!"

Such as putting an upper case capital letter in the middle of a word? iTunes iPhone iSheep

iChumps?

iTards?