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straycat58
One question about Philly. Do you know the boot "Can you hear the encore?" - is this the audience of Philly 21 - 1st show?
Do you know if it's complete? I still miss the last 5 tracks, from Midnight rambler to SFM, and somewhere I read they are in poor audio quality on this CD.

I produced that bootleg. Contact me. And I have coverart.

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scottkeef
Among LOTS of good 75 recordings there is the Millard tape of LA 7-13-75 which is considered by many as THE BEST AUD RECORDING OF ALL TIME. Man, its in the stratosphere of Aud tapes!

Yeah it's the best audience recording ever of the Rolling Stones....well, at least of the 60s/70s/80s
It's also funny that there is another (incomplete) recording of the very same show...almost just as good as Millards tape. At times, I even prefer it over the Millard one.

'there is the Millard tape of LA 7-13-75 which is considered by many as THE BEST AUD RECORDING OF ALL TIME. Man, its in the stratosphere of Aud tapes!'

- that's not saying much, is it; the sound on that is awful

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Taylor Era
- that's not saying much, is it; the sound on that is awful

Uh, if you say so...

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Taylor Era
'there is the Millard tape of LA 7-13-75 which is considered by many as THE BEST AUD RECORDING OF ALL TIME. Man, its in the stratosphere of Aud tapes!'

- that's not saying much, is it; the sound on that is awful

You either just want to argue OR just showed your ignorance.



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Taylor Era
'there is the Millard tape of LA 7-13-75 which is considered by many as THE BEST AUD RECORDING OF ALL TIME. Man, its in the stratosphere of Aud tapes!'

- that's not saying much, is it; the sound on that is awful

What? Have you actually listened to the recording? It's better than alot of soundboard recordings.

If the sound on that is lousy, then please give us an example what you think a good audience recording is.

It was on hungercity some months ago but I didn't get it, 'cause I thiught it was the 100th copy of the Philadelphia Special.
Is it really the complete Philly 21 1st show?

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It was on hungercity some months ago but I didn't get it, 'cause I thiught it was the 100th copy of the Philadelphia Special.
Is it really the complete Philly 21 1st show?

I think it's the complete (more or less) Philly 7/21 1st show. There may be a few cuts. I have a copy but I'd have to go back and listen to see if it's complete or not. I believe there are a few drop outs. It's certainly only for completists though. Pretty shitty recording.

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Taylor Era
'there is the Millard tape of LA 7-13-75 which is considered by many as THE BEST AUD RECORDING OF ALL TIME. Man, its in the stratosphere of Aud tapes!'

- that's not saying much, is it; the sound on that is awful
You either just want to argue OR just showed your ignorance."

- ok come on, ignorant? I probably know more about the Stones music, playing, chord structures and progressions and their various tours than you'll ever be able to comprehend. The fact is, Jack, that just because a tape exists it doesn't mean it is stupendous in quality or worth listening to more than once or twice . Nothing from '75, including Millard, qualifies. I played Millard once, winced at the lousy quality, and it's been shelved ever since. Sure it's from over 30 years ago, but it still is lousy. It's a novelty. Your problem seems to be that you think any and every tape in existence is somehow fantastic, when in fact most of them are are horrible in sound quality and are good to have for novelty sake only. Only a rare few are worth repeated listens (constant in the case of say, Brussels Affair) and my advice to newbies is to track those few rare ones down and don't waste your time on the rest, because they are not up to par for discerning audiophiles.

-give us an example what you think a good audience recording is-

.... . I generally don't waste my time on 'audience recordings.' They are nine times out of ten useless and unlistenable. That's because they are bootlegs, and bootlegs generally sound like crap, unless they are from either a soundboard source or pre-FM.



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You seem pretty impressed with yourself, JACK and I cant speak for everyone on the board but you DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE. Lets hear from everyone else who thinks LA 7-13-75 is crap?



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that is one of the greatest recordings of all time, it even blows some SBds out of the water

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Taylor Era
I probably know more about the Stones music, playing, chord structures and progressions and their various tours than you'll ever be able to comprehend.

ROFL. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

You guys are a laugh riot. .. get over yourselves, audience taped show are generally horrible, even the best of them are pretty pitiful. You put one of them on with people over and it's 'what's that muffly, tinny crap you got on, mate, you can't hardly hear anything!' ..and they are right because it's true. LA 7-13-75 is so-so, nothing better, nothing worse. You know why?? Because it's audience taped, dumdums. It's not 'great', it's only 'great' as far as audience tapes go, and they are generally bad.

-I probably know more about the Stones music, playing, chord structures and progressions and their various tours than you'll ever be able to comprehend.-

..that is absolutely true. Some of you guys are experts at idol worhsip, but that's about it. Worshipping and fawning over cruddy sounding tapes from 30 years ago..hey, the reality is the Stones have been irrelevant and useless for over 30 years... except as a circus act, and that is from a huge fan who was listening to them before some of you were probably even walking. Of course, I also prefer to live in reality and can thereby discern between crap sound and good sound on those old recordings. If your ears like it, great, good for you. I am happy for ya.. if my don't, though, that's my opinion.

YOU are a riot-the more you say the more ridiculous you sound and thats my opinion!

dude, get over yourself - the reality is that most of these bootlegs you drool over offer ho-hum sound quality at best -- the sound isn't terrible, but it wouldn't impress those who prefer quality, balanced sound, either.

Your the one that is the self proclaimed authority. I'm talking about one recording that, by the way, HAS impressed other "audiophiles" like yourself. But at least you've changed your opinion from "awful", "lousy quality", and "cruddy" to "the sound isnt terrible." And I WAS walking whenever I first watched the Stones on the 'Hollywood Palace" and "Ed Sullivan" in 1964 so I guess I've been listening to them as long as you have.

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Taylor Era
I probably know more about the Stones music, playing, chord structures and progressions and their various tours than you'll ever be able to comprehend.

ROFL. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

Words of wisdom....well, he doesn't seem to stop....hope his wife doesn't read his posts

'And I WAS walking whenever I first watched the Stones on the 'Hollywood Palace" and "Ed Sullivan" in 1964 so I guess I've been listening to them as long as you have.'

- I guess. Incidentally, I never proclaimed myself any 'authority' I simply said that sound quality on most of the unofficial Stones recordings from the 70s, unfortunatly, suck. There are a couple of excellent ones that are worth grabbing hold of and not letting go. The rest are ruined by unrepairable poor, murky, muffly distant and echoing sound. Which is a shame, especially in the cases where the performance were shit hot, which is the only thing making these recording s the least bit interesting. The Stones in '72 were not only the hottest live perfoming band of that era, playing some of the best rock songs ever recorded by anybody in unsurpassed versions, but that tour and those performances are (arguably) the hottest live performances by any rock and roll band, ever, and are the very definition and essence of rock and roll. The real shame is that there is no officially recorded and released document of that era. I have no idea if there ever will be, but if there is it would simply make all of the various, mostly poor quality bootlegs moot in a heartbeat. One can only hope.

By the way....if this person uses the name "Taylor Era".....how on earth would he able to cherish this golden era, if he thinks 07/13/75 is a "crappy recording"??? There's not much left of the "Taylor era" in better quality than this LA 75 show.....Leeds 71, Texas 72, Brussels/London 73....and that's just about it
"Taylor era" obviously don't spend time with the very finest "Taylor era moments" - because of his hearing-disabilities.... which is quite sad



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''By the way....if this person uses the name "Taylor Era".....how on earth would he able to cherish this golden era, if he thinks 07/13/75 is a "crappy recording"??? There's not much left of the "Taylor era" in better quality than this LA 75 show...'There's not much left of the "Taylor era" in better quality than this LA 75 show.....Leeds 71, Texas 72, Brussels/London 73....and that's just about it... "Taylor era" obviously don't spend time with the very finest "Taylor era moments" - because of his hearing-disabilities.... which is quite sad''

- LOL .. Taylor played on that '75 show ?? Or any '75 show?? That's news to me.. hey you might want to at least know who the hell the guitar player was in 1975 before you open yer yap.. since Taylor isnt in that show, dude, it was hardly a "Taylor moment", was it?? It is thus hardly part of the "Taylor Era," either, is it? the Taylor Era ended when Mick T. quit in 1974...you might want to do some simple homework before opening that yapper of yers..



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Please ask your mother to explain my point after she's finished with changing your diapers, "taylor era"

Eric is on a sardine high!! Watch out.

Listening to the Stones from 69 to 76 is like admiring great architecture. For me it all begins and ends right there. If all I can get my hands on is audience recordings then so be it. Yeah some are terrible but, as a completist, its like owning a first edition book from the 16th century.

I guess you will never understand that passion "Taylor Era".

To make it easier on "taylor era": I was speaking about comparision of live-recordings, soundwise. You're missing out on all the "taylor era"-audience recordings, due to your....ears.
If you think I don't know when Taylor left the band......then think again

'I was speaking about comparision of live-recordings, soundwise'

- Yeah, sure you were..but whatever, that still makes absolutey no sense ...sorry pal but 1975 is not part of the 'Taylor Era' any more than it is part of the Brian Jones era ..you said the '75 show is 'one of the finest 'Taylor Era moments' ..which is an utter falsehood and joke ..and no number of your little pals like Sicilian who come running into the thread and try save you from that little blunder can fix it..

..speaking of Sicilian, who said;

'Listening to the Stones from 69 to 76 is like admiring great architecture'

- are you talking live or are you talking studio? You guys aren't very good communicators, are ya? If you are talking live, you are nuts. 1975 and 1976 Stones live stuff doesn't even come close to comparing in any way shape or form the live juggernaut of 69 - 73 with Mith T in the band, soundwise or performance-wise. The 75 tour started a completely different era in sound, sound quality, performance style and substance.

Album-wise, if that is what you mean, the the great Stones architecture period was 68 - 72, everybody knows that. 73 - 76 saw that infrastructure begin to crumble. I suspect that is why MT got out in 74; besides being bored from not being on the road for so long, he suspected the magic in the studio had gone. He was pretty much correct.

Well, at least these guys know which shows were used for 'Ladies & Gentlemen"!

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Taylor Era
'I was speaking about comparision of live-recordings, soundwise'

- Yeah, sure you were..but whatever, that still makes absolutey no sense ...sorry pal but 1975 is not part of the 'Taylor Era' any more than it is part of the Brian Jones era ..you said the '75 show is 'one of the finest 'Taylor Era moments' ..which is an utter falsehood and joke ..and no number of your little pals like Sicilian who come running into the thread and try save you from that little blunder can fix it..

"you said the '75 show is 'one of the finest 'Taylor Era moments' "

Are you blind? I never said such a thing

Good grief, to spell it out clearly:

if you think 07/13/75 is a poor recording; then surely there's NO audience recordings from 1969-1973 left for you to appreciate; as none of them can compeat with Mike Millards recording of 75 (which is NOT a Taylor era show)

....can't believe I have to explain my point, like this.

Never stumbled upon anyone as imbecil as you on IORR before

'If all I can get my hands on is audience recordings then so be it. Yeah some are terrible..'

- yep; my point all along. thanks

'but, as a completist, its like owning a first edition book from the 16th century.'

- not really; most 16th century books are available only by copy, and even then are very rare; recorded stones 70's bootleg stuff is all over the place and not 'first edition,' in many if not most cases

'I guess you will never understand that passion "Taylor Era".'

- that's because I do not suffer from obsessive-compulsive disorder.. a form of mania which in many cases probably has more to do with being absorbed and obsessed with having to tell everybody they know that they have every Stones bootleg under the sun in their collection, even if half of them are totally unlistenable...well, big deal

what is gold to many 'completists' isnt worth the download/transfer time or cost of purchase to lot of other people, like me

'you said the '75 show is 'one of the finest 'Taylor Era moments' "

Are you blind? I never said such a thing'

- really? let me quote you, exactly, then:

"There's not much left of the "Taylor era" in better quality than this LA 75 show.....Leeds 71, Texas 72, Brussels/London 73....and that's just about it... "Taylor era" obviously don't spend time with the very finest "Taylor era moments"

- didn't say it, eh?? LOL Yer a clown

'if you think 07/13/75 is a poor recording; then surely there's NO audience recordings from 1969-1973 left for you to appreciate'

- hey dude, it's a tape some guy did from under his effin wheelchair, ok? how good is it GONNA be? the Millard tapes are OK, that's it, that's all. Just because other boots from this period are even worse does not make Millard's top notch quality ..they are OK but certainly are not fantastic, bozo



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Taylor Era
'you said the '75 show is 'one of the finest 'Taylor Era moments' "

Are you blind? I never said such a thing'

- really? let me quote you, exactly, then:

"There's not much left of the "Taylor era" in better quality than this LA 75 show.....Leeds 71, Texas 72, Brussels/London 73....and that's just about it... "Taylor era" obviously don't spend time with the very finest "Taylor era moments"

- didn't say it, eh?? LOL Yer a clown

My God how pathetic you are - can't you read a f#cking sentence ?

"There's not much left of the "Taylor era" in better quality than this LA 75 show.....Leeds 71, Texas 72, Brussels/London 73....and that's just about it... "Taylor era" obviously don't spend time with the very finest "Taylor era moments"

Comparing the quality of LA 75 to the recordings of the Taylor era doesn't place LA 75 into the Taylor era. Is it so damn hard for you to grasp?

And the "very finest Taylor era moments" are to be found on concert recordings - not on official records....Taylor did his best stuff on stage, not in the studio

Yet you have the nerve to call ME "a clown" ?

I don't know what to say now, apart from just f#ck off, and stop wasting my time.



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I honestly dont know why you(Taylor Era) would choose to be part of a site about a band you seem to despise(at least before 69 or after 73). Of course you have the right but you make a alot of unfounded statements about the mental health of people you've never met. I enjoy the Taylor years the most myself but that doesnt stop me from enjoying the band's other accomplishments before and after. You claim you dont put yourself up as an authority but to paraphrase you "its beyond my ability to comprehend your knowlege of the Stones". You seem to be "absorbed and obsessed" that everyone should know your opinion is the final word on the subject. The whole disagreement started with your "opinion" that one recording from 1975 is sh-t which happens to be an opinion unshared by ANYONE else here that has bothered to offer one. and NOW your opinion has been upgraded to "OK"!!



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