The first available recordings that I know of:

"Baby what's wrong"/ "brights lights big city" / "diddley daddy" (11 march 1963 IBC Studios)

Any available recordings (sessions / concerts) BEFORE that date?

Just curious (as always)

Little Blue Boys is earlier; but ya meant Stones right?

There is the 1961-62 home-made recordings... and the 3 trax recorded in studio in 62 (only one track partly available), but it was not really the stones, as only Jagger, Richards and Stu are on those recordings...
There is a show from the Crawdaddy which was recorded but not in circulation.



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mitch
and the 3 trax recorded in studio in 62 (only one track partly available), but it was not really the stones, as only Jagger, Richards and Stu are on those recordings...

But did they call themselves The Rolling Stones (or The Rollin' Stones) when they made it? If so it's the stones, just an earlier different line-up.

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mitch
There is the 1961-62 home-made recordings... and the 3 trax recorded in studio in 62 (only one track partly available), but it was not really the stones, as only Jagger, Richards and Stu are on those recordings...

..and Jones, surely...

It is the Stones, as it took place a few months after they played their first concert. The fact that some of the people playing on it left the band afterwards is pretty irrelevant.

There is a show from the Crawdaddy which was recorded but not in circulation.


Wow, I'd really love to hear this!

Depends on who you know....who is this new guy, BJORNULF...


JR

hey jaggerrichard.... you are a tosser !!!
and it is so funny watching you .
what a joke !!
please keep going , you dickhead.

who is playing lead throughout mick's vocal on down the road a piece?

With "available" I mean recordings like bootlegs / cd's etc....

Ok maybe there are some home-made tape-recordings during 61/62, but they are not 'available' in the way I mean....


Thanks!

some of the 61-or-62 Little Boy Blue & the Blue Boys recordings are available on bootlegs.
if you look at 1962 on [www.nzentgraf.de] you'll get an idea of what's around.
if something's listed as "unverified" it's not in circulation on bootlegs; most of the other stuff is available.

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keeffriffhard
With "available" I mean recordings like bootlegs / cd's etc....

Ok maybe there are some home-made tape-recordings during 61/62, but they are not 'available' in the way I mean....


Thanks!

Some of them home made recordings certainly ARE available on bootlegs.

EDIT: Ooops, I answered the same time as above!



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mitch
the 3 trax recorded in studio in 62 (only one track partly available), but it was not really the stones, as only Jagger, Richards and Stu are on those recordings...

..and Jones, surely...

Yes, you're right, Jones was also on the 62 studio recording session.

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roundnround
who is playing lead throughout mick's vocal on down the road a piece?

Are you refering to the Little Boy Blue and the Blue Boys take?

If so, then I'm sure it's Keith. Track was recorded in Dick Taylors living room in Bexleyheath, Kent.

Is Dick Taylor on the 'Little boy Blue' stuff ?
Am I right in thinking he was 'demoted' to bass player once brian Jones joined the clan?
So, if he was on the recording, what instrument was he playing?

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Is Dick Taylor on the 'Little boy Blue' stuff ?
Am I right in thinking he was 'demoted' to bass player once brian Jones joined the clan?
So, if he was on the recording, what instrument was he playing?

Little Boy Blue and The Blues Boys was not really a band, but just few friends from Dartford playing together for fun. Taylor's mother was their audience. Jagger in fact belonged to the 'real' band, Alexis Korner's band. Technically The Stones was founded by Brian Jones who was looking for members to his blues band, and then meet these Dartford guys. He is said to have asked Mick to join, and Mick insisted to have Keith with him. Seemingly, Dick Taylor came in same packet. And left afterwards,seemingly unsatisfied because was ordered - being the weakest guitarist? - to play the bass...

In that tape as far as I know Taylor is playing the guitar - is there bass at all, really? I haven't listen it for a long time. The drummer is making a big mess, that's what I remember...><

Anyway, here is a link to one interesting interview of Mick Avory who rehearsed with the Stones and who - wrongly! - has been claimed (as Bill Wyman does) to played in the first gig of the Stones ever. There are some interesting comments of The Stones and of those guys who left the band because Mick and Keith joined in! (This link is provided by Chris from a great Brian Jones forum "Brian Jones: censored from our minds" - a must if one wants to discuss seriously about mr. Jones)

[www.eddybonte.be]

- Doxa



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mitch
There is the 1961-62 home-made recordings... and the 3 trax recorded in studio in 62 (only one track partly available), but it was not really the stones, as only Jagger, Richards and Stu are on those recordings...
There is a show from the Crawdaddy which was recorded but not in circulation.

What more can you tell us about the Crawdaddy boot? Is it complete? My mind is running wild!

I've heard rumors there is a video shot from a '63 club gig. It was suppose to be a promotional video but was never released. Urban legend perhaps.

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with sssoul
some of the 61-or-62 Little Boy Blue & the Blue Boys recordings are available on bootlegs.
if you look at 1962 on [www.nzentgraf.de] you'll get an idea of what's around.
if something's listed as "unverified" it's not in circulation on bootlegs; most of the other stuff is available.

"Unverified" doesnt just mean its not in circulation - it can also mean that whether it took place or not is a matter of hearsay/debate.

>> I've heard rumors there is a video shot from a '63 club gig. It was suppose to be a promotional video but was never released. Urban legend perhaps. <<

not an urban legend (and not technically a video either): Giorgio Gomelsky really did film them at the Crawdaddy in April 1963.
it's never made it into bootleg circulation, but some heavy-duty historian/collector-type people assert that they've seen it.

>> What more can you tell us about the Crawdaddy boot? Is it complete? <<

the Crawdaddy audio recording was auctioned off a few years ago - i've read that it was Mick who bought it.



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>> "Unverified" doesnt just mean its not in circulation - it can also mean that whether it took place or not is a matter of hearsay/debate. <<

... if it's debatable/hearsay, that means it's not in circulation, right :E

Heheh..well yes, but not quite the same as "actually took place but not in circulation".

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with sssoul
not an urban legend (and not technically a video either): Giorgio Gomelsky really did film them at the Crawdaddy in April 1963.
it's never made it into bootleg circulation, but some heavy-duty historian/collector-type people assert that they've seen it.

>> What more can you tell us about the Crawdaddy boot? Is it complete? <<

the Crawdaddy audio recording was auctioned off a few years ago - i've read that it was Mick who bought it.

The people who keep those treasures hidden should be shot.

(Isn't it true that the original tape of Little Boy Blue recordings is also nowadays Mick's? Was it a sort of miracle that it got circulated?)

- Doxa

Mick bought the Little Boy Blue tape at a Sothebys auction, but if he also bought the Crawdaddy one it's the first I've heard of it.

the LBB recording didnt circulate until some time after he purchased it, so either the taper (I think it was band member Allen Etherington?) circulated it to a few people before he auctioned it or Mick is involved in a sneaky bit of self-bootlegging

>> The people who keep those treasures hidden should be shot. <<

have mercy baby - you're talkin about Mick (probably) & Giorgio! those cats deserve leniency

(nb: i don't know if it's true that it was Mick that bought the Crawdaddy audio,
but that's what i've read, and it doesn't seem farfetched.)



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keeffriffhard
With "available" I mean recordings like bootlegs / cd's etc....

Ok maybe there are some home-made tape-recordings during 61/62, but they are not 'available' in the way I mean....


Thanks!

Some of them home made recordings certainly ARE available on bootlegs.

EDIT: Ooops, I answered the same time as above!

Thanks Sleepy & Withsssoul.....and now...where can I find those recordings???

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with sssoul
>> The people who keep those treasures hidden should be shot. <<

have mercy baby - you're talkin about Mick (probably) & Giorgio! those cats deserve leniency

Okay, I change the verdict from life to the order to open up ALL the vaults mr. Jagger owns immediately... That's cultural heritage to be enjoyed by any one - could UNESCO or some instance like that do something...

Like Keith used to say "this thing is bigger than you and I, babe"... It surely is!

- Doxa

Shall I make an appointment with the United Nations / UNESCO?

>> where can I find those [61-or-62 Little Boy Blue & the Blue Boys] recordings? <<

have you asked over on the hot stuff forum? [www.iorr.org]
i have them on a couple of different bootlegs: The Rolling Stones Files 1961 - 64 and How Britain Got the Blues
(and with sssoul is two words ... or just plain sssoul is fine too. thanks!)

I'm quite certain Mick will release all these recordings in a forth coming 10cd/dvd retrospective Stones box set. Gotta go, the orderlies are about to drag me back to my padded room...........

What about "You Can't Judge A Book"? I think it's older than the IBC stuff but I'm not sure.