Never mind jumping a shark. One thing I've been noticing about most of those clippings that I'm posting. They're mostly from the 70s. Reading through the articles, the Stones seem notably ANTI-establishment. And yet nowadays, the Stones seem to be so very much part of "The Establishment" (whatever that is... ask Bill and Hillary...)

So I'm wondering when it changed. IMO, it must have happened in the 80s. When they showed up in the East Village in 1981 (and yours truly was there!), it was definitely as bad boys. By the time Steel Wheels in '89, Stones seemed so polished... "establishment if you will...

So somewhere around 1985... The Rolling Stones changed from bad boy to establishment...
Hey...I was there too...
Live Aid

I'd rather think that they dragged the world kicking and screaming to them.
OK Slight exageration.
What happened is quite simply that the "establishment" was increasingly made up of people who were contemporaries of Rock N Roll...so it was all of a sudden worthy and acceptable. ;^)

1989.

you could make a pretty good case for 81. that was the first corporately sponsored tour. and remember that photo op with Ted Kennedy?

Mick became quite early a part of the establishment (early 70'ies), probably together with Bianca.
Keith - not part of establishment.
Ronnie - fooling around somewhere in the middle of nowhere.
Charlie - both yes and no. Lives an life far from the public, but his interests belongs to the establishment.

By the time that punk arrived, which was say, 1976-ish.

At this time, they also became known as BOFs (Boring Old Farts).

77-78

OR

85

with a max out in

89

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you could make a pretty good case for 81. that was the first corporately sponsored tour. and remember that photo op with Ted Kennedy?

it is totally 1981
thats the years the Stones turned into a real product.

The post MSG party on the roof of the St. Regis (party for $tarf`ckers) for Mick's bday 26/7/72.

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The post MSG party on the roof of the St. Regis (party for $tarf`ckers) for Mick's bday 26/7/72.

But can we be sure that they were becoming establishment versus preparing to jump a shark ?

june 1964

Maybe 1978 with their imitation of punk music...which wasn't supposed to bother them. They conformed to something 'dangerous' which was actually very very boring.
And just that shoddy tour in general. They didn't even give a shit that go round.

I think they've -mostly Mick- have been dabbling with the Establishment for decades; you know, all those friends in high places (Kennedys, Princess Margaret, etc), but that Knighthood of his made it official. I can really see why Keith was so pissed about that one, and on Keith's part I don't think it had anything to do with jealousy or sour grapes. He knew what it meant, because lord knows Keith Richards has gone out of his way over the years to keep the 'bad boy' flag flying...no matter how foolish it may make him look at times...

Yeah it was something in 1977 , BOF¨s , haha.

Mick became the establishment in the 70's....

Keith thinks he isn't but now is

Charlie isn't too sure what it means or cares

and Ronnie couldn't care less....

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Mick became quite early a part of the establishment (early 70'ies), probably together with Bianca.
Keith - not part of establishment.
Ronnie - fooling around somewhere in the middle of nowhere.
Charlie - both yes and no. Lives an life far from the public, but his interests belongs to the establishment.

Myth. I dont see him boycotting all these commercially driven decisions they make, do you?

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Maybe 1978 with their imitation of punk music...which wasn't supposed to bother them. They conformed to something 'dangerous' which was actually very very boring.
And just that shoddy tour in general. They didn't even give a shit that go round.

GGRRRRRRGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!

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1989.

word. all sold out.

the more i think about it the more i think it was 1989 and when they threw bill graham overboard for michael cohl.. if you read bill graham's bio its hard not to see this as the moment..

Mick was establishment before the Stones even started. A middle class kid who went to grammar school, appeared on TV with his dad demonstrating sports, studied economics...

But this doesn't bother me at all. I always thought that this anti-establishment image was something that Andrew started anyway & it just grew & grew, with Mick in particular milking it.

The most anti-establishment Stone was undoubtedly Brian. He may have been a well-spoken lad from respectable Cheltenham, but he always did exactly what he wanted, not giving a damn who he upset along the way.

They didn't become the establishment. They were gradualy accepted by it and inevitibly absorbed. It's not like some crime was committed here ;^)

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They didn't become the establishment. They were gradualy accepted by it and inevitibly absorbed. It's not like some crime was committed here ;^)

This is true. If artists are around long enough then they almost inevitably become part of the establishment to some extent. Little Richard wasn't even allowed to perform on U.S. TV in the 50s as he was deemed so outrageous. By the '90s he cut an album for the Disney label & appeared on Sesame Street!

1972 US tour: Flying around the country with the jetset crowd (Capote, Warhol, Radziwell, etc.).

..another example of establishment fringe figures joining them.
The establishment's attitudes and values have changed down the years more than the band's have ;^)

Probably about 1964.
Keith started going out with the daughter of an establishment figure.
Mick and Brian in particular hob nobbed with "aristocracy"from then on.
Country homes were being purhased one year after.
I remember a rather snide comment by Marianne around 1967 about holidays in Majorca ..something to the effect that she wouldn't be seen dead going their..."full of motor mechanics".
1968rince Rupert comes into the net
1971: tax exile status, so fully paid up members of the establishment

1981.
The Jovan Perfume Tour.
The first rock tour to have corporate sponsorship.

Is it a conincidence that their last truly awesome/rocking tour was 1978??

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Mick became quite early a part of the establishment (early 70'ies), probably together with Bianca.
Keith - not part of establishment.
Ronnie - fooling around somewhere in the middle of nowhere.
Charlie - both yes and no. Lives an life far from the public, but his interests belongs to the establishment.

Myth. I dont see him boycotting all these commercially driven decisions they make, do you?

You can always question Keith - sure he likes the money (at least that he has a very good life).
But he was / is not too much up to the establishment social life - he never was, he barely went to the big parties, but preferred to part by himself.
That always was / will be the very big difference between him and Mick. Mick adores the the establishment social life.

Keith proved quite well that he's not part of the establishment last year with the Disney movie role and the designer luggage ads.



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