LA FORUM Wrote:
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> It's not over but I guess Keith has health
> problems

If Keith has 'health problems' to the degree where he cant perform then he wouldnt have toured this summer. He also wouldnt have been given medical clearance to tour and the band wouldnt have got insurance to do so. This is multi-million business which involves large amounts of corporate sponsorship. These companies wouldnt be throwing millions at the Stones without being assured that the people involved were in adequate medical condition.


and Charlie said he would quit. I dunno.
> I have a feeling Charlie might quit IF he was
> serious about quitting in 2006.




Charlie did NOT say he was quitting. Every few weeks someone trots this out that he had 'said' it in some interview - yet when asked no one has ever located the source of this 'alleged' quote.

Its a complete myth.



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The Rolling Stones DONT STOP TOURING !!!

They are on the road again 08

Quite agree with Gazza.
As regards Charlie "quitting" ...he always says he's quitting. Maybe he sometimes means it at the time ...but the inclination always passes ;^)

As regards Keith's health.
None of them are getting any younger [except maybe Mick ..who I'm beginning to suspect is an alien !] and I'm sure Keith does have various health issues.
That said, he's had a tough year on the back of a potentially serious injury and the subsequent precautionary regime and medication.
If Keith behaves himself reasonably well and has a sensible rest, I'm sure we'll see him in better physical nick next year than he's been in this last year or so.
I don't believe he's yet in any big age or health related decline. Just maybe not quite as well recovered from recent adventures as he'd like to believe.

hum..81 or 82 ending rumours were false but Mick and Keith were only 38/39 at the time... now they are 64, the "that's all folks" is more predictable.

I am sure they will give some shows again but not a massive tour like ABB, which was bigger than VL tour - who could have imagine that ??!! -

RS.COM wanted us to think Keith was crying but he was not ("too tough").
Charlie seems sad. It is not surprising, so much time on the road becomes a portion of your life with souvenirs, excitement. The end of the tour is like a break up, a divorce, back to normal life with less excitement.

>> RS.COM wanted us to think Keith was crying <<

LoFL: it is supposed to be a heart-wrenching video and it is, but
if they'd wanted us to think Keith was crying they would've had him take his shades off. :E

>> now they are 64 <<

Keith is 63.

>> That said, he's had a tough year <<

yes he has. and when you consider how quickly he was back on stage after the surgery -
that was a 100% astonishing feat. all kinds of blessings & well-being on Keith & all the Stones

LA FORUM Wrote:
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> It's not over but I guess Keith has health
> problems and Charlie said he would quit. I dunno.
> I have a feeling Charlie might quit IF he was
> serious about quitting in 2006.

I remember Charlie not saying so much as "he was quitting" but that he agreed to tour in support of ABB if it was the last tour and they wouldn't ask him to tour again.

One things for sure they won't have a 3 year break and start touring again because of Keith's health. Makes more sense for them to have a short break and do the rumoured shows in April. I fully expect them to hit the road again very soon. Why?
Because they love touring and love the money (barcelona club gig springs to mind)


John Nicholls

>> I remember Charlie not saying so much as <<

what you remember is some obscure journalist claiming someone said Charlie had said that.
no one ever came up with any evidence that Charlie himself said anything of the kind.

with sssoul Wrote:
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> >> I remember Charlie not saying so much as <<
>
> what you remember is some obscure journalist
> claiming someone said Charlie had said that.
> no one ever came up with any evidence that Charlie
> himself said anything of the kind.

It was on the U.S. television news program "NBC Dateline" on Aug 26 2005 in Hartford CT, USA. The jounalist for the interview was Matt Lauer. Lauer may be obscure in Europe but not in the U.S. It was during this interview where Charlie stated he was only touring because he was promised he wouldn't have to tour again. Keep in mind he was just recovering from cancer, so perhaps he's changed his mind now?



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There was this wonderfull interview with all four of them on Australian TV, 60 Minutes, I think it's called. The visibly pregnant journalist asked Charlie: It seems you're really enjoying yourself this time around, Charlie. And rumour has it that earlier on, you've been the one they had to talk into doing another tour... (Something like that, anyways)Charlie's answer: Yes, but this time is different! I figured out it's a lot better being on tour, playing with people that I like, than sitting at home, being afraid to get cancer again. (Or quite close to this.)
I have a vague feeling that this has been discussed on the board earlier?
Anyway, there will be a small tour: Asia in Ferbuary and March. The US of A in April. They're going to promote "Shine A Light". And being executive producers for the film, yes - all four of them - they're going to back up the film, see to that various publicity stunts gets them the attention needed to be remembered around the time of the Oscar nominations.

>> it was on the U.S. television news program "NBC Dateline" <<

okay sorry - that isn't what i was thinking of, nr1,
and i'll have to dust off that Dateline and have another look/listen.
what i was thinking of was the world-is-coming-to-an-end brouhaha
that was started by a third-hand hearsay statement from an obscure journalist
when the Stones hit Australia in 2006.

note: the "obscure journalist" i mean wasn't Ellen Fanning, who did the beautiful interviews
that Angel with dirty wings mentions. and right: in those interviews Charlie made a big point of actively wanting to play.



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with sssoul Wrote:
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> >> it was on the U.S. television news program "NBC
> Dateline" <<
>
> okay sorry - that isn't what i was thinking of,
> nr1,
>

Oh, no problem! It was two years ago so perhaps his attitude has changed and he's healthy for more shows. Hope so!

My source just told me they might possibly do a longer South American tour including Caracas, Bogota and Montevideo but he doesn't have any firm dates yet.

>> it was on the U.S. television news program "NBC Dateline" <<

okay so i just watched that program: august 2005, Hartford CT, Matt Lauer just like nr1 said,
and nowhere does Charlie say anything remotely hinting that he was touring only on the condition that it was the last one.
no one else hints at anything remotely like that either. so ... what, is there some special edition of that program,
where Charlie actually says something like that, or ... ?

with sssoul Wrote:
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> >> it was on the U.S. television news program "NBC
> Dateline" <<
>
> okay so i just watched that program: august 2005,
> Hartford CT, Matt Lauer just like nr1 said,
> and nowhere does Charlie say anything remotely
> hinting that he was touring only on the condition
> that it was the last one.
> no one else hints at anything remotely like that
> either. so ... what, is there some special
> edition of that program,
> where Charlie actually says something like that,
> or ... ?

Hmmmm...I SWEAR I saw/heard it on TV in 2005...but if you say so...
must be the meds for my lacerated cornea...
I did find this article where Charlie claimed it was the last tour...however I remember hearing "he only agreed to the ABB tour if they (Mick/Keef) promised him no more tours afterwards".

[www.usatoday.com]

Found this article too...
[www.news.com.au]

Yeah well I dunno all I know is Keith could play guitar (and how) in 1982.

ok, perhaps Charlie was just having a bad day and he's changed his mind since?

[mickjagger.emiforums.com]

>> I did find this article where Charlie claimed it was the last tour... [www.usatoday.com] <<

yeah, we all saw the press conference: someone asked the inevitable,
Charlie said "yes"; everyone laughed; and Mick proceeded to say what's reported.
none of which adds up to "Charlie agreed to the ABB tour on the condition that it would be the last one."

>> Found this article too... [www.news.com.au] <<

what does (or did) that say? all i get is "We could not find the page you requested."
if it's that 2006 story where an obscure journalist claims someone said Charlie said he won't tour after 06,
see my (and Gazza's) earlier posts about it. i don't mean to pick on you in particular,
but it's kind of alarming that some journalist makes something up, and a few months later
people are sure they heard it firsthand direct from Charlie. watch those meds and have some more popcorn.

[www.news.com.au]

Rolling Stones set to retire from touringFrom correspondents in London
August 22, 2007 08:05am
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THE Rolling Stones will reportedly quit touring for good after playing London's O2 Arena this Sunday, after 45 years in the music business.

The veteran rockers are believed to have declared that their current A Bigger Bang Tour will be their last because frontman Sir Mick Jagger, 64, and guitarist Keith Richards, 63, will be too old to do another.

A source said: "We've been told this will be the last tour. Embarking on a Stones world tour takes years to plan. Mick and Keith would be in their late 60s by the time they would be ready to rock once more."

Mick, Keith, drummer Charlie Watts, 66, and guitarist Ronnie Wood, 60, end their massive two-year tour this week with three dates at the new O2 Arena, with their final performance on Sunday.

The band was formed in 1962 and has been touring regularly ever since.

The group have sold more than 200 million albums worldwide over the last five decades, and played thousands of sold-out shows.

The Stones have been receiving rave reviews for the latest leg of their tour, and wowed 60,000 at Ireland's Slane Castle on Saturday.

The band started in London in 1962 with original leader Brian Jones, but he was usurped by the songwriting partnership of singer Mick Jagger and guitarist Keith Richards.

Jones died in 1969, shortly after being fired from the band and was replaced by 20-year-old Mick Taylor.

The band has released 55 albums and have had 37 top-10 singles. They have sold over 300 million albums worldwide. Their latest album, A Bigger Bang, was released in 2005 and their world tour is still continuing.



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>> ok, perhaps Charlie was just having a bad day and he's changed his mind since?
[mickjagger.emiforums.com] <<

please ... look at the source. this is what i was talking about earlier:
some obscure journalist started a big brouhaha when the Stones hit Australia by citing unnamed "Stones sources".
we truly should try not to be so easily manipulated by media, you know? it's a civic duty.

ps: thanks for posting that article i couldn't access - again: look at the source.
"bang showbiz"?? citing "a source" - which could be the writer's freakin hairdresser.
please apply a tiny bit of critical thinking - please! it really is a civic duty.



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with sssoul Wrote:
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> don't mean to pick on you in particular,
> but it's kind of alarming that some journalist
> makes something up, and a few months later
> people are sure they heard it firsthand direct
> from Charlie. watch those meds and have some more
> popcorn.

That's ok, no problem, I'd like to know the real truth too.
I hope they do at least one more tour anyway, and include Hawaii.
Popcorn and meds....mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Well on and on we go. The same subject again and again. They might or they might not do another tour. Personally I don't believe there'll be any more tours, I'm sad to say.
I'm sure they'll have a long wellearned rest and meet up sometime in the 2008 and discuss what to do. We've just got to be patient until they tell us.

svendborg Wrote:
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> Well on and on we go. The same subject again and
> again. They might or they might not do another
> tour. Personally I don't believe there'll be any
> more tours, I'm sad to say.
> I'm sure they'll have a long wellearned rest and
> meet up sometime in the 2008 and discuss what to
> do. We've just got to be patient until they tell
> us.

Well, the final video clip from rs.com seemed so "final".
The overall tone was very somber. They even titled the clip THE LAST SHOW.

[www.rollingstones.com]

Does anyone else get this message or all we all in denial?
I HOPE they tour in 2008, but do ya really think so? So soon after wrapping up such a long tour?

NumberOneStonesFan Wrote:
> Does anyone else get this message or all we all in
> denial?

What denial? Have you been paying attention? Are you new here? The sources who have kept us in the know for well over a decade says there will be another tour. Of course someone get can sick, someone can die, someone can come down with incurable stagefright, an asteroid can hit the earth but as of now it looks they have already decided to do more shows next year.


> I HOPE they tour in 2008, but do ya really think
> so? So soon after wrapping up such a long tour?

Less than 3 months is such a long tour?

Dan Wrote:
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> NumberOneStonesFan Wrote:
> > Does anyone else get this message or all we all
> in
> > denial?
>
> What denial? Have you been paying attention? Are
> you new here? The sources who have kept us in the
> know for well over a decade says there will be
> another tour. Of course someone get can sick,
> someone can die, someone can come down with
> incurable stagefright, an asteroid can hit the
> earth but as of now it looks they have already
> decided to do more shows next year.
>
>
> > I HOPE they tour in 2008, but do ya really
> think
> > so? So soon after wrapping up such a long tour?
>
> Less than 3 months is such a long tour?

Two years...Aug 2005 thru Aug 2007... but in the video clip, Mick refers to it as "It's three years, the whole thing" and "I've been living with this for three years".

They took six months off before doing a 3-month tour which averaged two and a half shows a week, so to say its a "two year tour" is tenuous at best. It was really a 15 month tour - interrupted by almost three months due to keith's accident


147 shows over two years isnt really that gruelling, even for people in their 60's. Dylan plays over 100 shows every year for example.

The "three years" remark refers to the period of the concept, writing and recording of the album right through to the end of the tour. Its not like he was working on the album and/or tour for all that time.

I hear ya Gazza man... I just interpreted the video clip as them being extremely worn down, tired and weary...

I believe that may be down to sex, drink and/or illicit substances....LOL

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> I believe that may be down to sex, drink and/or
> illicit substances....LOL

True, and the dreary London background didn't bring much cheer either...
That's why....THEY MUST PLAY A WEEK IN HAWAII!
85 degrees and sunny blue skies right now...

NumberOneStonesFan Wrote:
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> Gazza Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I believe that may be down to sex, drink and/or
> > illicit substances....LOL
>
> True, and the dreary London background didn't
> bring much cheer either...
>

I dunno mate, I'd most of the above when I was there and I was happy enough by the end of it!