I'd say:

London, Wembley Stadium (of course)
St. Denis, Stade de France (also very probably)

But then? The main market West Germany is burnt out after 17 years of massive touring there. The three stadiums this year SEEMED packed, but they were actually half filled. If there will be ONE show at all on the next European tour in West Germany, then probably in the South (Munich or Stuttgart or even Karlsruhe?).

But there are enough forgotten cities/markets left IMO for further stadium shows (hall concerts are possible anywhere of course if the prices are not too perverted). Let's say:

Sofija
Prague
Kiev
Riga
Moscow
East Germany (Dresden, Erfurt and/or Rostock)
Innsbruck/ Imst
Berne (not far from Zurich or Lausanne, but there's enough $ in Switzerland)
Athens
Zagreb
Bratislava (also for CZ, East part of Austria, Hungary)
Rejkavic
Dubai (okay this is actually Asia)
Tel Aviv
Rotterdam once again
Trondheim
Horsens/ West Denmark
Stockholm
somewhere in England
a region in Spain where they have not been for a while (what about Valencia?)

That's already at least 20, if not 25 shows which would all sell pretty well IMO. Much better than Benelux/West Germany 2007 I think.

From this point of view, another European tour in two years time would make pretty much sense.

What do ya think?



Edited 8 time(s). Last edit at 2007-08-24 23:50 by beast of burgk.

Sweden: Malmö or Lund
Gotland
Trondheim
Östersund
Sundsvall
Piteå
Haparanda
Örebro
Finland: Seinäjoki, Oulu, Turku, Pori, Tampere
Norway, more: Check Bill's tour schedule.

Denmark: Horsens, Odense, Ålborg

Baboon Bro Wrote:
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> Sweden: Malmö or Lund
> Gotland
> Trondheim
> Östersund
> Sundsvall
> Piteå
> Haparanda
> Örebro
> Finland: Seinäjoki, Oulu, Turku, Pori, Tampere
> Norway, more: Check Bill's tour schedule.
>
> Denmark: Horsens, Odense, Ålborg

Isn't this a bit too much Scandinania ;-) This thead was meant to be serious, dear BB. More sense would make to add Stockholm to my list.

I'm not into forgotten cities. The good example of this was Brno during this tour. The gig was sweet but if Prague was the host city there would be more audience for sure plus it would be easier for fans to find the accomodation.

Brno 22.07.07 & Warsaw 25.07.07

iFox Wrote:
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> I'm not into forgotten cities. The good example of
> this was Brno during this tour. The gig was sweet
> but if Prague was the host city there would be
> more audience for sure plus it would be easier for
> fans to find the accomodation.

I partly agree. Brno was my only show this year and one of my best out of 36 shows! But is was maybe a bit too forgotten region, that's why only 30.000 people turned up. Brno has only 360.000 inhabitents and is a bit in the middle of nowhere (sorry). I don't think it's comparable to - for instance - Dresden which has a conglomeration area of twice that size. I added Prague which I forgot first to my list.

30,000 people showed up in Brno because that was the maximum capacity there.

My suggestions: Didnt mean they should play all, just a few suggestions to choose from.

I dont agree on Brno at all: Look at the map!
See within such a small range ya'll find Slovenia, Hungary, Austria.
Actually that visit gave birth to a biking holiday around these countries.
No big deal findin accomodations there; my team just made a
scouting weekend out off it. Lots of fine hotels there.

My next pick in this region woulds be:
Miskolc (Diosgyör or Miskolc-Tapolca?)& Fonyod, Hungary.
Bratislava/Pozsony, Slovakia.
LJubljana, Slovenia
Split, Croatia
Athens, Greece. (for fokks sake!)

Note the wild get-together at Starobrno!!!!

Duisburg - Landschaftspark

Oberhausen - KöPi Arena

Dortmund - Westfalenhalle

Street fighting man

Erhard Wrote:
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> Duisburg - Landschaftspark
>
> Oberhausen - KöPi Arena
>
> Dortmund - Westfalenhalle
>
> Street fighting man

Well forget about it. there will be no more show - or maybe one - in West Germany IMO in the future after the 2007 disaster where there band had trouble enough to get the stadiums half filled... Unless they do some hall concerts, but I don't think this will be scheduled.

beast of burgk Wrote:
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> Baboon Bro Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Sweden: Malmö or Lund
> > Gotland
> > Trondheim
> > Östersund
> > Sundsvall
> > Piteå
> > Haparanda
> > Örebro
> > Finland: Seinäjoki, Oulu, Turku, Pori, Tampere
> > Norway, more: Check Bill's tour schedule.
> >
> > Denmark: Horsens, Odense, Ålborg
>
> Isn't this a bit too much Scandinania ;-) This
> thead was meant to be serious, dear BB. More sense
> would make to add Stockholm to my list.


Malmo or Lund? Why not Malmo AND Lund? Yes, BB. I can't understand how the Beast has overlooked Gotland. The question is which city is most suitable, Slite or Klintehamn?

in the big tent cork city. The now regular series of gigs in the marquee cork. headliners have included Brian Wilson & The Who. of course they coud do a week there. and i could visit the mother. 88 now and a dead ringer for keef (with a few extra pounds)

Thommie Wrote:
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> beast of burgk Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Baboon Bro Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Sweden: Malmö or Lund
> > > Gotland
> > > Trondheim
> > > Östersund
> > > Sundsvall
> > > Piteå
> > > Haparanda
> > > Örebro
> > > Finland: Seinäjoki, Oulu, Turku, Pori,
> Tampere
> > > Norway, more: Check Bill's tour schedule.
> > >
> > > Denmark: Horsens, Odense, Ålborg
> >
> > Isn't this a bit too much Scandinania ;-) This
> > thead was meant to be serious, dear BB. More
> sense
> > would make to add Stockholm to my list.
>
>
> Malmo or Lund? Why not Malmo AND Lund? Yes, BB. I
> can't understand how the Beast has overlooked
> Gotland. The question is which city is most
> suitable, Slite or Klintehamn?

Wittyness overwhelms the board tonight.
Half-millions of Stockholmers overwhels that island during summers.
Just see who'll have the last laugh.
My suggestions on location is, roughly: Visby.

Baboon Bro Wrote:
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> I dont agree on Brno at all: Look at the map!
> See within such a small range ya'll find Slovenia,
> Hungary, Austria.
> Actually that visit gave birth to a biking holiday
> around these countries.
> No big deal findin accomodations there; my team
> just made a
> scouting weekend out off it. Lots of fine hotels
> there.
>

It's your point. I'd say not everyone's into camping. Plus those who travelled by train can confirm the fact many train were delayed or cancelled. Myself I had to take a bus to some village to change for a train because train was canceleed due to "technical reason".
Perhaps there were some fine hotels but the situation was bad with hostels.
Compring Prague 2003 and Brno 2007 I'd say visiting Prague was much more fun. Next time I'd rather go to Prague than to Brno. If Brno was so fine why Stones haven't stayed there?

Brno 22.07.07 & Warsaw 25.07.07

well , i did a post before with a complete world tour , ill update it if you wanna see

wipeacdc@hotmail.com
never too old or young to rocknroll!!!!!!

Cant imagine what was so wrong with playing Brno.

Baboon Bro Wrote:
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> Cant imagine what was so wrong with playing Brno.

The gig was great but the place sucked. No decent clubs, poor night life. All one can do was just drinking beer. The only good thing about Brno is the girls are really beautiful there.

Brno 22.07.07 & Warsaw 25.07.07

Next time Stones should play in Kazakhstan in Alma Ata. Great market and they are not tired of too many Stones shows.

Brno 22.07.07 & Warsaw 25.07.07

Baboon Bro Wrote:
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> Sweden: Malmö or Lund
> Gotland
> Trondheim
> Östersund
> Sundsvall
> Piteå
> Haparanda
> Örebro
> Finland: Seinäjoki, Oulu, Turku, Pori, Tampere
> Norway, more: Check Bill's tour schedule.
>
> Denmark: Horsens, Odense, Ålborg

Okay, if they have a 30.000 capacity stadium somewhere in Finland next time around this might get a show (Turku?; has anybody a tape of the 1965 show there by the way ;;-). Scandinavian shows always sell pretty well or are sold out, but one should not forget there where six Scandianvian shows in 2006/07.

But only Stockholm and Trondheim would make real sense too me if the next tour in Europe is already in 2009 (which I reckoned).

New footbal stadium in The Haque (Den Haag) Holland, it's almost finished



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NICOS Wrote:
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> New footbal stadium in The Haque (Den Haag)
> Holland, it's almost finished
>
> [www.stadiumguide.com]

That would really make sense, Nico! Thanks. Hope the 30.000+ capacity new stadium in Dresden is also available for the next Stones tour.

youre obviously very optimistic here...making plans for a future tour when at the very moment it is very doubtful that there will ever be one!!!

well , again , making a tour , in europe in 3 or 4 years this is what i guess:

Estadio Mestalla , Valencia , Spain x2
Estadio V. Calderón , Madrid , Spain
Estadio da Luz , Lisbon , Portugal
Olympia Theatre , Paris , France
Palais des Sports , Paris , France
Antwerps Sportpaleis , Antwerp , Belgium x2
Ahoy , Rotterdam , Holland x2
Parken , Copenhaguen , Denmark x2
Valle Hovin , Oslo , Norway
Eriksberg , Goteborg , Sweden
Globen Arena , Stockholm , Sweden
Luzhniki Stadium , Moscow , Russia
Ataturk Stadi , Istanbul , Turkey
Olympic Stadium , Athens , Greece
Hippodrome , Zagreb , Croatia
Sportovni Hala , Prague , Czech Republic
Festival Site , Imst , Austria
Stadio delle Alpi , Torino , Italy
Allianz Arena , Munich , Germany
Zentralstadion , Leipzig , Germany
Waldbuhne , Berlin , Germany x2
Westfalenhalle , Dortmund , Germany
St James Park , Newcastle , UK
Murrayfield , Edinburgh , UK
MEN Arena , Manchester , UK
Anfield , Liverpool , UK
Wembley Stadium , London , UK
Wembley Arena , London , UK x2
100 Club , London , UK - IORR PRIVATE GIG!

wipeacdc@hotmail.com
never too old or young to rocknroll!!!!!!

Sundsval would be great i think around xmas i guess....

Yeah, donvito, now ya talkin'.

Otherwise these threads reveals how people reduce themselves

I've never said when I believe next European tour will be:
my belief is that will hardly take place before 2010, maybe even later.

We must consider the market at that very occasion.

On One hand, I doubt they will play "Globen" and "Eriksberg" (???)
at one single tour (since they always oscillate), one the other hand they GOTTA
and ought to, rationally, explore new markets.

I wouldnt bother if they played Northern Sweden instead of Southern.
The Southerners could travel 1500 km this time.

monkeyman07 Wrote:
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> well , again , making a tour , in europe in 3 or 4
> years this is what i guess:
>
> Estadio Mestalla , Valencia , Spain x2
> Estadio V. Calderón , Madrid , Spain
> Estadio da Luz , Lisbon , Portugal
> Olympia Theatre , Paris , France
> Palais des Sports , Paris , France
> Antwerps Sportpaleis , Antwerp , Belgium x2
> Ahoy , Rotterdam , Holland x2
> Parken , Copenhaguen , Denmark x2
> Valle Hovin , Oslo , Norway
> Eriksberg , Goteborg , Sweden
> Globen Arena , Stockholm , Sweden
> Luzhniki Stadium , Moscow , Russia
> Ataturk Stadi , Istanbul , Turkey
> Olympic Stadium , Athens , Greece
> Hippodrome , Zagreb , Croatia
> Sportovni Hala , Prague , Czech Republic
> Festival Site , Imst , Austria
> Stadio delle Alpi , Torino , Italy
> Allianz Arena , Munich , Germany
> Zentralstadion , Leipzig , Germany
> Waldbuhne , Berlin , Germany x2
> Westfalenhalle , Dortmund , Germany
> St James Park , Newcastle , UK
> Murrayfield , Edinburgh , UK
> MEN Arena , Manchester , UK
> Anfield , Liverpool , UK
> Wembley Stadium , London , UK
> Wembley Arena , London , UK x2
> 100 Club , London , UK - IORR PRIVATE GIG!

Will not say that something like this makes no sense, actually it makes a lot of sense, but three corrections seem to be allowed:

1) arena shows will probably only be "bonus" shows added to another stadium tour
2) if they do Saxonia, then I think Dresden; Leipzig is done (remember the horrible ticket sales for the Zentralstadion in 2006?)
3) Allianz Arena Munich is only made for Soccer events. If they ever play Munich again, then Olympiastadion or Olympiahalle (they did both in 2003).

Horsens for Denmark and Stockholms Stadion is my suggestions
if we talk a big tour within a small time range.

beast of burgk Wrote:
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> Erhard Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Duisburg - Landschaftspark
> >
> > Oberhausen - KöPi Arena
> >
> > Dortmund - Westfalenhalle
> >
> > Street fighting man
>
> Well forget about it. there will be no more show -
> or maybe one - in West Germany IMO in the future
> after the 2007 disaster where there band had
> trouble enough to get the stadiums half filled...
> Unless they do some hall concerts, but I don't
> think this will be scheduled.

They could fill every stadium in Germany as long as the ticket prices will be realistic. Moon prices of 190 Euro are no longer accepted. Otherwise they will have to erect the stage directly in front of the small curve of the stadiums.

here is my favorite list. all indoorshows! not complete now. to be continued:

germany:

westfalenhalle dortmund nearly 14.000
my hometownplay!!!!! 4x

kölnarena köln 17.000

colourlinearena hamburg 11.000

arena leipzig 14.000

olympiahalle münchen 12.000

schleyerhalle stuttgard 12.000

arena mannheim hometown
fritz rau 14.000

festhalle frankfurt 10.000

arena hannover 12.000

Baboon Bro Wrote:
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> Horsens for Denmark and Stockholms Stadion is my
> suggestions
> if we talk a big tour within a small time range.


Except the fact that Horsens has publicly stated, they are done with major concerts?

beast of burgk Wrote:
>
> Isn't this a bit too much Scandinania ;-) This
> thead was meant to be serious, dear BB. More sense
> would make to add Stockholm to my list.


Seriously, the Scandinavian countries sold pretty good - not to say fantastic -this time around. As they have all the other times.

I was mighty surprised they sold 44.000 tickets in Copenhagen just 11 months after Horsens - I'd have thought 35.000 was alright. But they f*cking did it - and the same way as anywhere else - with hardly any promotion.

So in a few years time - yeah - Denmark will be ready for Stones again!! Only this time let them play one big concert and one small ;-)