Earth to Ginger; Nobody on this board controls ticket prices. There is nothing wrong with introducing topics for discussion but if you are going to come in here bitching about something none of us has any control over then you are wasting everyone's time.

I bought my ticket last fall for a little over a hundred bucks. This is what I would expect to pay when I see a good Broadway show- not terriblly high for the greatest music act in the world.

If you don't want to pay high prices then don't go, but all your bitching in this forum isn't going to change anything. If you feel so strongly about your convictions then try to contact someone in the Stones organization and give them your gripes.

svendborg wrote:

"I would believe that 30.000 are sold, but don't really know for sure. Still a problem when they usual sell out in hours."

Folks, it surprise me how do we rate the things sometimes... Last summer in Denmark the Stones attracted 85,000 people. For the coming ig they have already sold 30,000 approximately, total tour's attendance in Denmark will be 120,000 or 125,000 and you do consider the fact that this gig isn't already sold out as a problem !!!???....

thanks for thinkin about it, Beely



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2007-06-14 21:30 by with sssoul.

stay on topic...are they rip off merchants???
we know they stuff a lot of people into some of those shows...we see the 'grosses'

Welcome to the board, Ginger!

Rip-off artists? So this is why we get not one, but two DVD sets for $30 each? Want some cheese with your w(h)ine, baby?

with sssoul Wrote:
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> what an interesting post that would be, Beely,
> but what has this mean-spirited stuff about
> people's sizes got to do with it?

well that's a fair question and perhaps i should delete that part...
i thought it funny and it was extemporaneous..

i guess it was part of the point about the gild rather than the gold taking a bit more of the 'space' then i'd like to see...i think it hurts the rocking essence...so i took these hired hand characters into a commercial context that i think basically similar to their current sales jobs...

as far as personal weight issues, you are totally right and i should stay far away from that kind of cruel analogy...and will delete that part shortly, thank you for bringing that up and confronting me on it.

People misuse the phrase rip off. It would be a rip off if you paid for your ticket and the band did four songs and left- or you found out that Jagger was lip syncing his vocals. That would be a rip off.

You know what the prices are before you buy the ticket. You don't give them your visa number and then find out the price when you get your monthly bill. You don't have to go. You can say it is not worth the price but to say it is a rip off is ridiculous. They don't rip anybody off since you have the choice to go or not.

bassplayer617 Wrote:
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> Rip-off artists? So this is why we get not one,
> but two DVD sets for $30 each? Want some cheese
> with your w(h)ine, baby?

because they cost pennies to manufacture, the shows were already taking place, i'ts not like they had a huge extra investment budget for this...
.... and the materials been released twenty times over; and if they thought a bigger price point would get them sales, they would have gone for it...are you kidding? do you seriously doubt that???
they would have charged a hundred dollars for it if their demographics showed them they could get away with it...
...are you suggesting that they sat down and decided to give the fans a gift? or a break???
jeezum crowe...
it's pennies to manufacture the product...they are doing just fine...
are you suggesting that everything's great with the ticket prices and all...
and just wave off the whole discussion because the dvd's are priced to move, instead of to sit on the shelf...?

want some steak with your tofu baby?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-06-14 21:45 by Beelyboy.

All dvd's cost pennies to manufacture Beely. It is just a piece of plastic. Movies (most movies anyway) are already made long before they are released on dvd. They don't shoot most movies just for dvd release so they cost pennies to make too.

Some people won't give the band credit for anything. If the prices are too high it's because they are greedy. If the price is reasonable or cheap it's more manipulation. They can't win with some people.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-06-14 21:43 by FrankM.

gingerjagger1 Wrote:
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> I have followed the stones for over 20 years.
> How dare they charge over £150 for just one ticket
> which does not guarantee that you will even be
> close to the band ( some of these tickets are at
> the back of the arena and they stll are this
> price).
> What a rip off!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> For the people on this forum who will tell me to
> not go, I say to you all, shut your noise, I've
> earned the right to have a moan. I have followed
> this glorius band all round the globe.
> I will not and can not justify giving Mr Colh and
> the Stones my hard earned money. I would rather
> see a upcomming band and give them my money. It's
> not like the boys need the cash, maybe keith for a
> new hair piece and jagger for his penis
> enlargement, Ha Ha!
> I feel better now.

How day they charge what they charge? Because people pay it, obviously.

C'mon...you are well aware there is more than manufacturing costs involved in releasing a DVD. Each song and performance is subject to royalties to the publisher and songwriter. There are distribution and advertising costs. I'm not arguing that the concert tickets are expensive, but every stadium show is expensive, not just The Stones. Price the DVD box sets with other major artist music video DVDs and you'll see we're getting at least a 50% bargain by price point compared with most others.

No one points a fricking gun to our head and says you must attend shows every tour or buy each CD reissue or DVD. Its a bit like complaining when 60-something rock stars with drug and alcohol abuse issues fail to perform like they did 35 years ago. We need to be realistic. Its a choice we all make one way or another. We're not entitled to anything.

Do you really imagine that money was never a factor to these guys? How many hours each week do you work for free? Chances are good most of us will outlive Mick or Keith. Then we can be happy because there won't be a @#$%& Rolling Stones to "rip us off" any more. Then we can bitch about how they should sell their CDs for pennies since that's all it costs to manufacture and no one expects a return on their investment.

Are they capitalists? You bet. They always were. You want a true artist who believes in giving his fans music for free? Try hanging around the guy with the acoustic guitar playing for quarters on the sidewalk near public square. No one will know him, but it'll be pure, man. He don't want a profit. He's one of us, for the people. Give him your quarters now cause if he has any real talent, he'll be gone tomorrow and then you can hate him for selling out, too.

It's amazing what people believe some things are worth.

I work in the automotive parts business and I see people spend hundreds, even thousands just to make their car look flashy, but tell some of those same people they need to spend 49.95 to make their car run again and they bitch, moan and complain like there's no tomorrow.

Just thought I would throw that out there.

It took you until 2007 to figure this out ! You're s l o w.

We have a saying up here: You dont drive with the polish...
Have a couple of neighbours who should behold that.
One of'em can rub the inside of the trunk
for hours & hours. Easily polish his car for 30 hours a week.

While I'm here....

Rocky Dijon Wrote:
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> C'mon...you are well aware there is more than
> manufacturing costs involved in releasing a DVD.
> Each song and performance is subject to royalties
> to the publisher and songwriter. There are
> distribution and advertising costs. I'm not
> arguing that the concert tickets are expensive,
> but every stadium show is expensive, not just The
> Stones. Price the DVD box sets with other major
> artist music video DVDs and you'll see we're
> getting at least a 50% bargain by price point
> compared with most others.
>
> No one points a fricking gun to our head and says
> you must attend shows every tour or buy each CD
> reissue or DVD. Its a bit like complaining when
> 60-something rock stars with drug and alcohol
> abuse issues fail to perform like they did 35
> years ago. We need to be realistic. Its a choice
> we all make one way or another. We're not entitled
> to anything.
>
> Do you really imagine that money was never a
> factor to these guys? How many hours each week do
> you work for free? Chances are good most of us
> will outlive Mick or Keith. Then we can be happy
> because there won't be a @#$%& Rolling Stones to
> "rip us off" any more. Then we can bitch about how
> they should sell their CDs for pennies since
> that's all it costs to manufacture and no one
> expects a return on their investment.
>
> Are they capitalists? You bet. They always were.
> You want a true artist who believes in giving his
> fans music for free? Try hanging around the guy
> with the acoustic guitar playing for quarters on
> the sidewalk near public square. No one will know
> him, but it'll be pure, man. He don't want a
> profit. He's one of us, for the people. Give him
> your quarters now cause if he has any real talent,
> he'll be gone tomorrow and then you can hate him
> for selling out, too.

i didn't hear anyone mention that ticket prices should be zero and dvd's should be free...your analogy is flawed, tho i dig the sarcasm

can't really get into:...well someday they'll be dead and then you'll be happy!! go listen to a crackhead busker if you want real...

you want to cut someone a break for being old and drug addicted and alcoholic and charging that kind of money for waht are alarmingly becoming semi-consistent poor git performance in cavernous holes with very poor sound...???

there are dozens of older artists working brilliantly, just as hard a life...harder...who are out there doing it every night...not travelling in the lap of luxury with teams of doctors, lawyers, bodyguards and the entire queen's entourage...and they are not billionaires by the way...

(and the hidden publishing etc....costs in the dvd u were talkin' about, i was thinking rock, don't the glims get a ton of writers and performers royalties?
so it all gets back to their bank accounts for more regular royalty checks in perpetuity...along with other product...)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-06-16 19:44 by Beelyboy.

>> dont drive with the polish <<

hey - what's wrong with the polish now?!
so some of 'em drive funny - so do a lot of nations! :E

i'm joking - but this thread was born under a bad sign or somethin.
i'm movin on (yes i'm movin)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-06-14 22:00 by with sssoul.

Beelyboy,
Are you saying the Stones aren't "real" anymore?

FrankM Wrote:
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> >
> a > hundred bucks. - not terriblly
> high for the greatest music act in the world.
>
>
>

A dubious conclusion.

I love the Stones but they are not the greatest musicians in the world. It is, moreover, common knowledge that they have not played consistently well for a very, very long time. To generalize, many music fans have said that they suck compared to others for a long time now.

Jagger an Richards were quite often reported to be most the arrogant pricks for much of their carreer -- and even to their fans!

The point being it is OK to bitch about the Stones -- they've earned it. Mucho.

$100.00 US is ok for Broadway, but Broadway shows are not performed in 80,000 seat stadiums.

Funny thing though, I go see the Stones again and again, despite their high prices and their all too often sloppy guitar section. I can't help it, but I like it, yes I do.

It is a sickness.

With all of the aforementioned in mind, if I could sneak in to the US $450. ticket section, I'd have no probelm about ripping the Stones off by seeing them for free.

Would'nt everyone here do it too????

angee Wrote:
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> Beelyboy,
> Are you saying the Stones aren't "real" anymore?

no angee, not quite saying that, not at all...
....appreciate the chance to clarify; they catch fire like crazy sometime and it's quite the amazing experience to be able to share...they had shining moments in '95, certainly all thru 2003 licks...pretty recent...dug the superbowl and what i've heard of rcmh show had me close to tears of joy and gratitude, and that was only last year....
i think charlie, on any given night, including this very week, is a total revelation...totally...in ways musical and beyond...

i have always maintained that they still have their talent; and really do believe that...but certain other aspects of the 'show' and the 'specatacle' and the supporting 'cast' etc...do take a lot of the reality out of it for me...and i think it sometimes can help put them on auto-pilot, and then we do, a certain percentage of the time, get performances that don't seem very real or rooted or committed to me...

and i'd rather take a 'postive' approach with what i feel is 'constructive critiscims' and observations, that would get them back to where they once belonged, so to speak...(sorta, ya know...not 'back' like longing for the past, but wanting to see them stripped and committed and engaged)i really believe the talent is still there...
...i have hopes of them continuing to evolve, rather than just writing them off or something...

but they are plenty real...and still have a knockout punch...and anyone who dosen't think so, is likely to get clobbered when they least expect it...they are still the rolling stones...but they are a little lost inside of their own paradigm sometimes, is my feeling.

nope as far as i'm concerned they are plenty real; still very much worth caring about and for, and all this criticism on a fan board means nothing to them, and that's fine too...but i think it's a healthy thing generally...nope they are real...and the power is real, and when everything's clicking...(except for darryl who is as generally clueless about rock as clueless marty)...

...when everything's clicking...it just is nirvana; and i am so moved and excited about the whole thing. mick is honey voiced and growling...when he's not too very 'on' with the posing, and getting real down, he's still the best and most moving dang rock singer in the world ever...charlie, well charlie...whoohoo, charlie...NOTHING gets too much more 'real' than mr. watts...
so, i see it in some wayward kind of balance anyway...
but sometimes, as you might have noticed yourself, it's a bunch of bad noise in a sonically unfriendly place...etc...you know my criticisms and feelings...
and also, hopefully, my love for them...
angee, angeeeee, you can't say i never try yi yi yiiieeddd..

and a question for you kind angee...how's this on your own "real" meter...







Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2007-06-16 23:19 by Beelyboy.

I paid $99 too for my Vancouver ticket. The seat wasn't great but hey it wasn't really bad.

No, Beely. My point was the choice is ours. The Stones are old men and some of them are showing the wear and tear of their addictions and age. Ticket prices are as astronomical as they are for every stadium act. Instead of griping, just don't go to a show. This thread started with a complaint that they are overpriced. My answer is if you want a reasonably priced show from old men who sometimes just phone in a performance or screw up badly, stick with the nobody's. You won't find The Rolling Stones being anything other than top dollar and you know it. The DVD box sets are good value if you have it to spend on something like DVDs. Cost is all a question of personal value. There are guys here who see dozens of shows and buy all the boots and there are guys like me who see three shows in 18 years. I am not a big fan of A BIGGER BANG or the new stuff on 40 LICKS, but I don't whine about how they can do better or that they owe me. They do what they do, like everybody else. I'll pick up the DVD box set when Best Buy has it on sale for $20 bucks. I won't expect it to be '69 or '78 or '81. Evidently I was wearing my frustration on my sleeve before, but I just never understand why Stones fans moan about these issues. You go to a whore cause you want what she has to offer and then you're upset over what you paid. Its our choice. I don't expect them to suddenly think, "Why are we earning $2 million dollars a night? We owe it to the fans to charge what the show is really worth so let's go play for $20 at House of Blues!"

stickydion Wrote:
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> Folks, it surprise me how do we rate the things
> sometimes... Last summer in Denmark the Stones
> attracted 85,000 people. For the coming ig they
> have already sold 30,000 approximately, total
> tour's attendance in Denmark will be 120,000 or
> 125,000 and you do consider the fact that this gig
> isn't already sold out as a problem !!!???....

It's a bit beside my point. Well it's a hell of a lot of tickets for a small country. But still they havn't been able to sell out in hours as they've always done. I still think it has something to do with the fact that the price is 850 dKr. for exactly the same seats that cost 510 dKr. in 2003...that's quite an increase if you ask me.
On the other hand it's only 9 months since they were in Denmark the last time, so that could be part of the trouble as well.
Anyhow I still think the concert in Horsens is my best Stones concert ever. And no matter how well they play in Parken, the accoustics there will propably make it a lesser experience. BUT I look forward to it :-)

The ticketchaos was a shame, that is the only way to describe it.

See you in Parken Svendborg
[www.rocknight.se]

It´s Only Rock´n Roll

There are enough reviews out there for someone to make a rational decison if they want to buy a ticket.

trainarollin Wrote:
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> There are enough reviews out there for someone to
> make a rational decison if they want to buy a
> ticket.


...not to mention boots, this board, and of course recent releases.......vote with your wallet if you don't like them anymore but enough crying already..........

Do the Stones actually set the ticket prices.

No I dont think they do.

They are guaranteed a payment per show.

Who ever backs this show then decides on the ticket price.

Obviously it is up to them the mark up they make per head not the Stones.

Yes the Stones do ask for a mega fee to turn up but in all honesty if it was you and you thought you could get it, would you not ask ? , I definately would.


I am no rich bitch by any means but I work hard and I will be damned to hell if I cannot squeeze just one or two concerts out of this summer for Me not for the Stones or their promoter.

Most people can only afford one show and luck lucky people can afford or have the time or find the time and money to go to umpteen shows.

I only get 2 shows this year and am looking foorward to both of them.

It is only a rip off if you feel that way and iff you do DONT GO.

deadegad Wrote:
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> FrankM Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > >
> > a > hundred bucks. - not terriblly
> > high for the greatest music act in the world.
> >
> >
> >
>
> A dubious conclusion.
>
> I love the Stones but they are not the greatest
> musicians in the world. It is, moreover, common
> knowledge that they have not played consistently
> well for a very, very long time. To generalize,
> many music fans have said that they suck compared
> to others for a long time now.
>
> Jagger an Richards were quite often reported to be
> most the arrogant pricks for much of their carreer
> -- and even to their fans!
>
> The point being it is OK to bitch about the Stones
> -- they've earned it. Mucho.
>
> $100.00 US is ok for Broadway, but Broadway shows
> are not performed in 80,000 seat stadiums.
>
> Funny thing though, I go see the Stones again and
> again, despite their high prices and their all too
> often sloppy guitar section. I can't help it, but
> I like it, yes I do.
>
> It is a sickness.
>
> With all of the aforementioned in mind, if I could
> sneak in to the US $450. ticket section, I'd have
> no probelm about ripping the Stones off by seeing
> them for free.
>
> Would'nt everyone here do it too????

Well who is bigger and better than them? Funny how they break all kinds of records even though they suck. Did you ever think that maybe the people that say they suck are just not fans of the band.

Put it this way they have the greatest show on earth- the numbers speak for themselves. No from a technical point of view they are not at their peak but you have to understand they actually have an arsenel of songs that people want to hear. What good is great technical play if you are playing shit songs?

Rocky Dijon Wrote:
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The DVD box sets are good
> value if you have it to spend on something like
> DVDs.

oh yeh; i'm certainly looking forward to owning this dvd set...despite discussions re: this or that aspect of whatever...i know they can still burn the house down and are still fascinating to me...truth is, i'd pay more than they are asking for the four dvd set...(i've read some of the reviews and they were way exciting...) i've seen rio...the docu/interview disc does not particularly draw me in...but that's well worth the money just for the autin and other show...ima happy about these releases fo sho...and yes, priced reasonably...