.. good point, Tralala! Thanks for your dedication to this subject!

There's no need to worry. Of course it's cool to make stuff about Mick, because he's the one you look at at concerts. The documentary being career spanning, it would make no sense to erase the golden years. Of course it's in. Marty is not dumb you know.

JumpingKentFlash

>> because he's the one you look at at concerts <<

smile: no he's not :E

with sssoul Wrote:
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> >> because he's the one you look at at concerts
> <<
>
> smile: no he's not :E


Through the years it has always been Mick that was the physical attraction in the Stones. It's great to have something new on this topic rather than the usual "What do you like about Mick Jagger"? "Everything". "What's everything"? "Everything hee hee hee". "I like his legs". "His LEGS"?????
And of course when Marty does this about Jagger it doesn't mean that there won't be anything about the other 6.

JumpingKentFlash

>> Through the years it has always been Mick that was the physical attraction in the Stones. <<

smile: not for everybody (and there's a pre-Charlie-Is-My-Darling news clip to prove it too!)
peace, though - i'm not presuming the worst. and i'll wait until the film comes out before i bitch about it.
have some popcorn - the wasabi-coated rice krinkles are all gone.



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with sssoul Wrote:
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> >> Through the years it has always been Mick that
> was the physical attraction in the Stones. <<
>
> smile: not for everybody!
> peace, though - i'm not presuming the worst. and
> i'll wait until the film comes out before i bitch
> about it.
> have some popcorn - the wasabi-coated rice
> krinkles are all gone.


The hugs also seems to be gone.

JumpingKentFlash

jeez - that hug you got was the very best hug in my collection!
i handpicked it for you, too - you think hugs like that grow on trees?!

No. I know a cover of a bootleg DVD from 1997 that has an equally great hug though.

JumpingKentFlash

Who said anything about skipping the 69-73 years besides that negative chap MLC. Stones never released anything from 75-82 either so its not like they are just skipping the years Taylor was with the band. At least we got R&R Circus and a new Gimme Shelter with bonus stuff, hopefully more will follow.

J-J-Flash Wrote:
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> Stones never
> released anything from 75-82


Black & Blue, Love You Live, Some Girls, Emotional Rescue, Tattoo You and Still Life?

JumpingKentFlash

Was referring to any concerts on dvd from these years. Lets Spend the Night Together is out there of coarse but only in certain countries

>> Who said anything about skipping the 69-73 years besides that negative chap MLC. <<

no one at all.
it was a fairly good look at how baseless rumours get sown, though.

Beelyboy, with ssoul,

My comment came from what was said: Historical footage?? that sounds to me
like, before Taylor.. early 60's, Brian Jones era, screaming girls,etc..

I hope I'm wrong but I don't like the sound of what I heard.

Beelyboy - you "hit" the nail right on the "head" it's the MUSIC!!! Marty!!

MLC

>> Historical footage?? that sounds to me like, before Taylor <<

... that's a very peculiar way to interpret that phrase.
what would the secret code phrase for footage from 1969 - 73 be, then - "mythical footage"?

well..Albert Maysles is overseeing that part of it, which makes me think its 'Gimme Shelter' era perhaps

All these interpretations make me... yawn! It's too early to use the axe! We aint seen nuthin' yet, gyus. Can't we just wait, hope for the best and keep our fingers crossed that there will be material from all the IMPORTANT periods? And that whatever there's not room for in the movie, will make it to a "Director's cut" version... "Marty" (we're on buddy terms with him, I've noticed!) is just the right man to make this film. I've never been more certain about this than I am now.

>All these interpretations make me... yawn! It's too early to use the axe!


Thanks for your reporting Tralala -- as they say, no good deed goes unpunished. I agree, all the whining in this thread is over-the-top pessimism. If there's any filmmaker I trust with this project it's Scorsese.

Didn't see those fantastic posts before now, thanks Beelyboy



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mofur Wrote:
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> Beelyboy wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Tralala, thank you very much for your posts on
> the
> > festival and talk with Mr. Scorsese. I don't
> hear
> > anything other than what we thought the film
> would
> > be like. The concert film The Band gave plenty
> of
> > attention to other members besides Robbie R.
> >
> >
> Guess, you've never read Levon Helms book, then?
> ;-) He ain't too happy about the film, in general
> because he sees it as a film about Robbie
> Robbertson, in particular because he thinks the
> film portrays Garth Hudson as some kind of
> rednecks and the rest of the band as also-rans
> ;-)
>
> I have to say in fairness, that Levon Helm comes
> across as a bit of a whiner (he ran on home during
> the Dylan going-electric-concerts because the
> audience were booing - well, my guess is, they
> weren't booing because of the drummer in
> particular;-)) and I do love that film - one of
> the few music films that you can watch more than
> once ;-)
>
> As for getting the magic of Jagger?? I'd say now
> is as good as time as any to figure him out? Loads
> of magnetic, charismatic singers out there in
> their 20's - how about one going on 64?
>
> And perhaps Keef will get a look-in, too? If the
> film had been made in the 70's, I doubt whether he
> would have been any different to the footage in
> "C*cksucker Blues"? I.e. tumbling around, making
> the odd one-liner (if that)
>
> Having said that, I resent the way they
> manipulated the audience for the Beacon Shows.
> Stones are old now - so are a lot of their fans.
> The film should show that IMHO

hi mofur, just for the record..a small correction please, as that's not my quote u attributed to me above...
someone else wrote that one, and it's not something i'm in accord with...

it's a little confusing to follow who wrote what when we "quote a message" lately i noticed...or maybe just a cut and paste error, dunno. then there's a little 'diaglog' back and forth between you and the other poster (sorry i can't see who that was just now as i'm posting this) and none of those quotes in the diaglog is me either...

i agree with your points very strongly for the most part; just wanted to say you accidentally attributed the above quote to me but i was the guy sayin' similar stuff re: levon, richard, garth and rick...as well as mentioning bill grahams book etc...
thnx mate.


1. also those bitchin' at me for bitchin' before the fact did not respond to the dylan thing or my observations there, or marty's own quote on where he was at when all that was going down...so i'm talking about a factual physical record that already exists both in no direction home and the last waltz, and marty's own interviews...not just rumor-mongering and all asunder...there are plenty of facts in evidence.

2. tralala i sure appreciate your work and also your even attitude about my criticisms, that means a lot, to be able to talk and not get shouted down if you're meaning well, even if some of it borders on strident with me...and even if peeps feel differently, as i'm sure you do, so thank you f0r that bit of graciousness.

3. as to the exchange above between jumpin' kent and lady sssoul, i would like a with sssoul hug as well please...even the bad boys need a little love ya know...
here's two for you
"OOOOO!!"
whooops couldn't stop at two...couldn't hep myself...



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Beelyboy,
There *will* be Maysles footage of snippets of the new interviews with fans, in any case. Not so much comfort, I know. Who knows about the older footage?

No, I didn't read Levon Helm's book, just watched him onscreen in the film. Okay, Marty is a director, not a music person. He's used Stones music more often, in more films than any other major filmmaker, to my knowledge.


Tralala--that would indeed be great, the long version.



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Levon was one of my neighbours in Woodstock back in the 80's. And believe me - he is a whiner! And he's an expert at finding something to whine about. The rest of the Band are actually proud of The Last Waltz. I knew Rick Danko well (Bless his soul and RIP), and he was Levon's opposite. A positive man with a great sense of humour, and a very big heart. Warm and including. Suppose that's why all his friends miss him terribly.

Ahhh wow Tralala...Rick Danko was one cool loose dude...
Always laughed about the story where his wife sent him
some smack through the post when he was on tour in Japan...

When the parcel was apprehended Rick was reported to have said
something like.."I can't understand why the woman is sending me that kinda stuff..!!

Can't help but tear for him when I Shall Be Released is playing...



ROCKMAN

Tralala Wrote:
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> Levon was one of my neighbours in Woodstock back
> in the 80's. And believe me - he is a whiner! And
> he's an expert at finding something to whine
> about. The rest of the Band are actually proud of
> The Last Waltz. I knew Rick Danko well (Bless his
> soul and RIP), and he was Levon's opposite. A
> positive man with a great sense of humour, and a
> very big heart. Warm and including. Suppose that's
> why all his friends miss him terribly.

so he came over to your house, you being a neighbor, and used to whine...?
boy you mess with someone's idea of celebrity and how they howl and whine their unsubstantiated advocacy...

i mean you lived in the same town for ?? years sometime in 'the 80's' (20 years after woodstock mattered) and were neighbors and he is such a whiner, sigh...
danko worked with levon in '83 as a duo, put the band back together and toured together till rick died in '99...seemed like he was grateful and happy to be active and he spent practically his entire performing and recording life with levon...

it's posed a little sarcastic tralala, but i'm just trying to make a point...
i mean helm is a giant, a friggin' world changing giant, with an amazing biogrpahy actually...and an amazing talent...from playing with conway twitty to the hawks and beyond...The drums and often the lead vocalist for a band that changed the entire world of 'pop' music...
...and are you really sure you should be dismissing someone like that with an elitist snort, while championing a guy who was totally clueless about dylan even when dylan was breaking in his own neighborhood??...and then for year afterward?
rock and roll comes first baby, rock and roll comes first...(and last)

rick was such a great guy fantabulous guy with a beautiful heart and all that...i totally believe this; and his early death was another in a list of horrific tragedies...horrific...someday richard manuels story will be told too...

..and now you've travelled to france...came up to clueless marty as a complete stranger and talked to him for a few minutes and now know everything about him just being so right and do inspired...etc...u must feel close to him, almost as if he was your neighbors...he's "one of us" now!! and alla that...sounds more giddy than grounded imo.



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With Sssoul - I made my comment from past statements out of the Stones Camp.

Can't remember exactly when but that term, "historical" footage was used talking
about the 60's Stones, original lineup. And again I'm wondering about what will
get included from 69 thru 73?? Remember Mr. Maysles footage was from 1969,
which we already have (Gimme Shelter) who filmed the 1972 tour? where is that
footage? Remember it STILL unreleased..

That's what alot of the "older" Stones fans what to see (Golden MUSIC)!!!!!!!

I will be surprised as hell if anymore than 10-15 seconds of any live songs
from that period are included! I'm sure hoping Marty "see's the LIGHT" and
includes the full version of: Gimme Shelter from that Philly show in 72,
or maybe highlights of: Midnight Rambler from 1973 - Brussels...

We'll see - MLC

I've seen "Shine A Light" three times. Tried to watch again a couple of days ago, and stopped halfway through. It's not the music, it's the way it was shot. The random loud noise of who ever the camera is on is strange.

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JohnnyBGoode
I've seen "Shine A Light" three times. Tried to watch again a couple of days ago, and stopped halfway through. It's not the music, it's the way it was shot. The random loud noise of who ever the camera is on is strange.

I agree. I am thinking about making a version of it where I replace the audio with the soundtrack that was sold separately since it is far more consistent. The thing that kills me is the terrible snare sound, vocals way too loud in the mix (and not enough low-end rolloff on vocals) and bass too loud.

It was far a better show than the reviews gave it credit at that time. It is certainly better than 90% of Hyde Park 2014.

She Was Hot is an absolute barn burner!

i just pulled the dvd out last week and watched it for the first time in a while and i went to the beacon for this and this brought back a flood of awesome memories ,this truly was a magical show for me with the stones .

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flairville
She Was Hot is an absolute barn burner!

+1

RnR doesn't get any better than this!

I know there are a lot of mistakes on this and its a pretty sloppy representation of their playing, but this is my favorite of their latter day releases. Its warts and all and there are some amazing performances. She Was Hot, All Down The Line, Loving Cup, Some Girls, Just My Imagination, Live With Me. Its a really great album/video that I truly watch frequently.